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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well lets see blights , army of harvesters , tevinter empire 1 mage children killing 72 peoples , 1 mage children taking over castle and village without problems and creating army of undeads. and much more disasters sponsored by mages mostly 1 person is only required.

Blights was several people using the army of slaves they had in a blood magic ritual, plus had the Old Gods helping. Harvesters was 1 mage and a team of Dwarves, a soldier has killed more than 72 people by themselves, as you said Connor had army of undead so doesn't count since having an army is not personal power but political. Next?

[Divine Justinia V]

1.i answered that already...

 

2.She took power to control mages not to seek power well and because she was insane that another reason.

 

 

I pointed that already it is anyway great socre for organisation current police is much more corrupted than few peoples...

 

Okay, so why take that position and persecute the mages families or mage supporters?

I really don't understand how you cannot possibly see that she was power hungry. She wanted to control everything.

but alright, I'll stop here because this is equivalent to smashing my face against a wall.

[Mistic]

Lambert didn't seek to usurp the Divine or Chantry though.

 

He in fact even wanted the Chantry to be a part of the Circle system again once he was done putting down the Rebellion, he just didn't care for the Divine's actions, stance or her personally.

 

His actions were done out of belief, not lust for power.

 

If he had been after power, he likely would have turned the army he had assembled against the Divine, he even went so far as to call her unworthy to sit on that throne, but he didn't move to strike against her or the institution he was pledged to formerly.

 

Not a black and white character certainly but not an overt maniac either, he had his beliefs and he acted accordingly.

 

I agree. While Meredith's actions in that regard can't be excused (stopping the nobles from electing a new Viscount because she's afraid they will choose someone who may stop her is not lawful at all), I do think Lambert was honest in his decision.

 

Too honest, in fact. And too blinded and probably naive. I'm beginning to suspect that he was a victim and also an unwitting pawn in this large conspiration hinted by the promotional material about the hidden villain in Inquisition.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Blights was several people using the army of slaves they had in a blood magic ritual, plus had the Old Gods helping. Harvesters was 1 mage and a team of Dwarves, a soldier has killed more than 72 people by themselves, as you said Connor had army of undead so doesn't count since having an army is not personal power but political. Next?

 

Hmm? what is point it is not that slaves were volunteers they were slaves because mages were much more powerful than they were... second 1 mage created harvesters without that mage there is no harvesters remove dwarves there still can be harvester without mage nope... show me children that killed 72 peoples... lol it wasn't political power lolz connor/demon had complete power over them they were just puppets it was like 6 paths for nagato nothing more than dolls it count as his personal power political power would be if he rule society of peoples.

 

 

Okay, so why take that position and persecute the mages families or mage supporters?

I really don't understand how you cannot possibly see that she was power hungry. She wanted to control everything.

but alright, I'll stop here because this is equivalent to smashing my face against a wall.

Because hello they were danger for society?

she wanted control mages i don't renember that she interfere in life of normal peoples as long they didn't had anything common with mages

[Master Warder Z_]

Also the Templar imagery is just cool!

 

 

 

[Divine Justinia V]

Also the Templar imagery is just cool!

 

uhguhguhg i really hate agreeing with you

not but seriously it is, I hate that the Mages logo is just a circle like come on, couldn't it be something cooler? like... idk, I've got no ideas but that doesn't excuse the boring circle.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hmm? what is point it is not that slaves were volunteers they were slaves because mages were much more powerful than they were... second 1 mage creted harvesters without that mage there is no harvesters remove dwarves there still can be harvester without mage nope... show me children that killed 72 peoples... lol it wasn't political power lolz connor/demon had complete power over them they were just puppets it was like 6 paths for nagato nothing more than dols it count as his personal power political power would be if he rule society of peoples.

You said a mage can be more powerful than anyone with political power using only their personal power. 

 

Magisters: Used their positions to harvest slaves.

Harvesters: Mage needed Dwarves to assist them.

Child: Age doesn't matter. Once you are a mage, you're always a mage.

Connor: Would only count him if he went out and killed Redcliffe himself. Guarantee Connor would not have gotten nearly as far if he went out by himself. Even if I counted that, a man with political power could do more than he did.

[Master Warder Z_]

I agree. While Meredith's actions in that regard can't be excused (stopping the nobles from electing a new Viscount because she's afraid they will choose someone who may stop her is not lawful at all), I do think Lambert was honest in his decision.

 

Too honest, in fact. And too blinded and probably naive. I'm beginning to suspect that he was a victim and also an unwitting pawn in this large conspiration hinted by the promotional material about the hidden villain in Inquisition.

 

Hrm to be honest i hadn't considered him nor Fiona to be the overt pawns of a puppet master to be honest.

 

The situation needed to be pushed in that direction certainly for whomever is pulling the strings, but i think ultimately the actual tool in question? Was Either Adrian or Rhys. Think about it, A Demon magically manifests to him, one of the few capable of cognitive thought process with out breaking out in tangents to posses some one? Or A Murderer who forced both factions to the final straw that resulted in war.

 

Either one to me ultimately seems like a far more likely puppet who subtly or overtly pushed things to war in the conclusion of Asunder, but that said the Dev's haven't stated any one from DA has been under the influence of this being as of yet, In fact the person in question that could be either the pawn or puppet master could appear within the Masked Empire, as people are speculating over the apparent peace treaty at the beginning of inquisition i have a feeling that whomever moves to sabotage said process likely will be backing the group or entity behind the veil tears.

 

Because personally i think that given Lambert or Fiona's position, their politics and etc moving those pieces into place would have been a project of decades if not longer. I think we are dealing with something a bit more short term.

[Master Warder Z_]

uhguhguhg i really hate agreeing with you

not but seriously it is, I hate that the Mages logo is just a circle like come on, couldn't it be something cooler? like... idk, I've got no ideas but that doesn't excuse the boring circle.

 

Give in to the Templar side!

 

We have a bad ass logo!

 

[KaiserShep]

I guess so long as they don't have a faceless commander, and don't have a cloning machine to produce more for their armies. "Tail Hemplars!"

[Master Warder Z_]

I guess so long as they don't have a faceless commander, and don't have a cloning machine to produce more for their armies. "Tail Hemplars!"

 

Don't like the Clone Operator hear you!

 

He'll come at you with an axe!

[TheKomandorShepard]

You said a mage can be more powerful than anyone with political power using only their personal power. 

 

Magisters: Used their positions to harvest slaves.

Harvesters: Mage needed Dwarves to assist them.

Child: Age doesn't matter. Once you are a mage, you're always a mage.

Connor: Would only count him if he went out and killed Redcliffe himself. Guarantee Connor would not have gotten nearly as far if he went out by himself. Even if I counted that, a man with political power could do more than he did.

 

Well lets compare how many mages we have and how many non-mages we have how mages ended in power because they have more personal power than other simple?In the end what non-mages would could do? 

 

non-mage "we have enough your tyrany mage" 

*1 magister cast spell and kill them all*

Magister "oh rly?"

end of the story

 

2.eee not rly orsino? pal

 

3.There is no way that 1 person even adult could kill 72 peoples not without access more military weapon that is outlawed for civils and children killing 72 peoples (and day was saved thanks to templar) is pretty much good way to understand what damage mage can cause.Even more in Tedas to kill such many peoples you would need a large group of bandits...

 

4.Not rly zombie apocalypse says something to you if political person would attemt what connor did he would be killed by his own peoples even out of fear of his/her insanity.

 

 

 

i would change templars for army of clones from star wars they would destroy that damn mages and would that without bi*** like thrask and without asking questions.This is how you deal with mages

[renfrees]

Its not about who seeks power, as its in human nature as someone said above. Its about that mages can achieve it far easier than mundanes due to innate abilities. Mundanes have to strive to get tools to achieve power, mages are born with them. You can argue, that nobility are born with political power, but its not constant, they can lose it or be stripped due to various circumstances, they must struggle to retain it. Mages always wield the power until the day they die.

[Heimdall]

You said a mage can be more powerful than anyone with political power using only their personal power.

Magisters: Used their positions to harvest slaves.
Harvesters: Mage needed Dwarves to assist them.
Child: Age doesn't matter. Once you are a mage, you're always a mage.
Connor: Would only count him if he went out and killed Redcliffe himself. Guarantee Connor would not have gotten nearly as far if he went out by himself. Even if I counted that, a man with political power could do more than he did.

Only disagree with your last point. Saying an army of the undead conjured by his magical power counts as political power is ridiculous. This isn't a mundane army, it's an army of spirits drawn through the veil by the abomination in question.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Only disagree with your last point. Saying an army of the undead conjured by his magical power counts as political power is ridiculous. This isn't a mundane army, it's an army of spirits drawn through the veil by the abomination in question.

Fair enough. My point still stands that a nonmage general can kill just as many if not more with a single command.

[Divine Justinia V]

Give in to the Templar side!

 

We have a bad ass logo!

 

 

That should be your slogan! tbh at this point it's very tempting because I really want a sword.

Stop tempting me

[Hanako Ikezawa]

i would change templars for army of clones from star wars they would destroy that damn mages and would that without bi*** like thrask and without asking questions.This is how you deal with mages

You realize the clones hated following that order, right?

[Master Warder Z_]

Its not about who seeks power, as its in human nature as someone said above. Its about that mages can achieve it far easier than mundanes due to innate abilities. Mundanes have to strive to get tools to achieve power, mages are born with them. You can argue, that nobility are born with political power, but its not constant, they can lose it or be stripped due to various circumstances, they must struggle to retain it. Mages always wield the power until the day they die.

 

There is Tranquility; Disproves the notion that Mages are "constantly" powerful, furthermore with out proper training good luck getting a mage to cast a decent spell with out killing themselves.

 

Mages are more fallible then any common man, And i really do take offense with the labeling of normal people as "Mundane".

 

Its not their fault that some of the population is abnormal.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is Tranquility; Disproves the notion that Mages are "constantly" powerful, furthermore with out proper training good luck getting a mage to cast a decent spell with out killing themselves.

 

Mages are more fallible then any common man, And i really do take offense with the labeling of normal people as "Mundane".

 

Its not their fault that some of the population is abnormal.

I agree with not liking to refer to them as "Mundanes". Why is nonmage not acceptable? I'm also fine with Muggle for comedic purposes. 

[durasteel]

Dura are you trolling right now? He asked for what we would do in response to said characters and our method of fixing the broken circle system, i replied in kind.

 

...

 

Well, you said you would fix it by putting Lambert in charge and erecting a statue of Meredith. I reminded you that Lambert was dead and made the observation that Meredith did indeed deserve to be covered in pigeon crap.

 

Is that trolling?

[TheKomandorShepard]

You realize the clones hated following that order, right?

 

Hm lies and loved it i mean just watch how they enjoy shooting them 1 of them couldn't even stop shooting

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hm lies and loved it i mean just watch how they enjoy shooting them 1 of them couldn't even stop shooting

You are not familiar with the Expanded Universe then, I take it?

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, you said you would fix it by putting Lambert in charge and erecting a statue of Meredith. I reminded you that Lambert was dead and made the observation that Meredith did indeed deserve to be covered in pigeon crap.

 

Is that trolling?

 

Leaving out the bit where if he and she were both alive? Kinda...

 

Also will remind you that Lambert is merely missing, Presumption of death in DA has a bad habit of turning out to be incorrect.

[renfrees]

There is Tranquility; Disproves the notion that Mages are "constantly" powerful, furthermore with out proper training good luck getting a mage to cast a decent spell with out killing themselves.

 

Mages are more fallible then any common man, And i really do take offense with the labeling of normal people as "Mundane".

 

Its not their fault that some of the population is abnormal.

I personally consider Tranquility as death, but thats not the case. I hope you understood what i was trying to say, English is not my first language, i'm sorry if i was unclear.

 

And yes, i also dislike the wording "mundane", but it seems to be widely accepted here.

[Master Warder Z_]

That should be your slogan! tbh at this point it's very tempting because I really want a sword.

Stop tempting me

 

I would love a sentient sword! Like Enserric or Samehada  

 

And give in!

 

The Maker Commands it!

 

Come to think of it! This God demands it as well!