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#3951
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I guess we'll find out, won't we?

I'll give you a hint - you gonna do it with the help of mages. 


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I'll give you a hint - you gonna do it with the help of mages. 

If Warden's Keep is any indication, both mages and demons can do it.


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#3953
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If Warden's Keep is any indication, both mages and demons can do it.

I'm sure radical pro-templar players would choose a deal with a demon rather than a negotiation with a mage. 



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Then what's wrong with the Templars? You said you wanted an organization who would mercilessly kill every mage and anyone who helped them, not just follow orders.

 

And are those things exclusive? If you follow orders no matter what order being is mercilessly is required.

 

When we have such weaklings and naive fools like thrask and evangeline that will lead to world destruction... 

 

 

 

You are a terrible person for advocating such a thing.  :angry:

 

 

Yet another reason to hate the Witcher franchise.

 

1.That rather personal opinion based on your morality hmm?

 

2.Im not witcher lover myself but some things witcher did correctly well i would say not correctly but realistically.

 

 

 

Yes, but it's okay because he wasn't "looking at it emotionally" but "professionally"

 

kill 100 peoples for money you will be monster

kill 1 million for country you will be hero :whistle:

 

 

 

I don't understand why some people think the mass genocide of mages would fix everything.

 

 

Because destroying source of problems always work?



#3955
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I'm sure radical pro-templar players would choose a deal with a demon rather than a negotiation with a mage. 

Wouldn't that be extremely hypocritical? 



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And are those things exclusive? If you follow orders no matter what order being is mercilessly is required.

When we have such weaklings and naive fools like thrask and evangeline that will lead to world destruction... 

 

1.That rather personal opinion based on your morality hmm?

They can be. As I said, soldiers can follow orders yet feel terrible about it, such as the clones in Star Wars. You said you wanted your soldiers to not experience regret or feelings of mercy. 

 

Personal, yes. Based on morality, no. 



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I'm sure radical pro-templar players would choose a deal with a demon rather than a negotiation with a mage. 

As I said, benevolent spirits can close the Veil as well.



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They can be. As I said, soldiers can follow orders yet feel terrible about it, such as the clones in Star Wars. You said you wanted your soldiers to not experience regret or feelings of mercy. 

 

Personal, yes. Based on morality, no. 

 

Well if don't hestiate in shooting someone in face you hardly can feel terrible unless you have some issues ;)

 

Well both you judged by calling me horrible person because i might done/say something that you don't like morally so both...  :whistle: 



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Well if don't hestiate in shooting someone in face you hardly can feel terrible unless you have some issues ;)

 

Well both you judged by calling me horrible person because i might done/say something that you don't like morally so both...  :whistle:

I don't have to explain my reasons for hating you for suggesting setting people ablaze. 



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I don't have to explain my reasons for hating you for suggesting setting people ablaze. 

Nope you don't i just stated that how that would end if da was done more realistically and went route dark fantasy bio is still to soft to take some topics...



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I don't have to explain my reasons for hating you for suggesting setting people ablaze. 

I'd just put him on ignore if I were you way less frustrating..



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I'd just put him on ignore if I were you way less frustrating..

Oh, I'm tempted. But the nicer part of me doesn't want anyone on it.



#3963
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Oh, I'm tempted. But the nicer part of me doesn't want anyone on it.

 

Well i even encourage to do that for peoples that don't want read me better than "oh komandor you are troll" so feel yourself free if you don't want put me there simple just don't respond i master when it comes about simple and working solutions :whistle:



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Oh, I'm tempted. But the nicer part of me doesn't want anyone on it.

I understand but I personally found it beats starting a flame war by replying to those that irk me and makes my forum experience more pleasant by not seeing posts that bash my favorite characters or advocate actions I find morally reprehensible.



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Because mundane rule is just so much better... Just look at the potential consequences of their rule, being genocidal tendencies, the elves for instance.

 

I don't understand the constant push to say that non-mage rule is just as capable of corruption. I think that goes without saying. If I understand your opposition, the argument is that a corrupt mage wields power a corrupt non-mage does not. Not that corruption is unique to mages. Not that non-mage governments are incapable of tyranny. And not that we aren't all, regardless of our labels, capable of cruelty.



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I personally find TKS and Xil are very much alike, but i doubt they will convince many in their extremist beliefs.

 

And no, don't even start with precious - "We are nothing alike, don't even begin to think that we are" ;)



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I personally find TKS and Xil are very much alike, but i doubt they will convince many in their extremist beliefs.

 

And no, don't even start with precious - "We are nothing alike, don't even begin to think that we are" ;)

 

Hmm and point what i have common with xil perhaps except we are extremist? ;)

 

Because i don't think that xil were even close to my outlook as he supports mages what would clash with that. 



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So the solution is to pluck our heads in the sand and hope it all goes away?

 

 

And what do you call ignoring the threat of mages or the unteinabiltiy of their freedom? What is that if not "sticking your head in the sand?"

 

 

 


As difficult as it may be for some to believe, the Chantry is an enemy to mages and has been since the whole damn thing began. Also I agree, the Chantry is not the font of all anti-mage sentiment, but considering how revered it is as an institution to your average pig farmer and how this same institution blames mages for darkspawn...Hmmm I wonder how that ends...

 

For an "enemy" the Chantry treat mages real good.

No, the Chantry is not the enemy of the mages.

And mages being blamed for darkspawn? As far as everyone knows, they *are* the reason - and indeed, everything suggest that this is the truth.

 

 


What is true here is that things cannot and will not stay the same. The stranglehold on mages is ending. Time to find a new solution or be stuck in a perpetual cycle of hatred and oppression.

 

You'd be surprised.

History is full of crushed rebellions and things continuing just as usual after that.

 



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Hmm and point what i have common with xil perhaps except we are extremist? ;)

 

Because i don't think that xil were even close to my outlook as he supports mages what would clash with that. 

That is the common between you and him, thought you'd figured that out :)

 

Find both of yours speeches, replace "mage" with "templar" or vice verca, and you'll find many familiar things.



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That is the common between you and him, thought you'd figured that out :)

 

Find both of yours speeches, replace "mage" with "templar" or vice verca, and you'll find many familiar things.

I thought Xil was a she?



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Xilizhra is a woman, yes.

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TheKomandorShepard

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That is the common between you and him, thought you'd figured that out :)

being an extremist isn't something wrong not everything can be deal with compromise and often compromise isn't best solution and is even far from it...

but now you are telling us that we are smiliar because we have 1 common trait?



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That is the common between you and him, thought you'd figured that out :)
 
Find both of yours speeches, replace "mage" with "templar" or vice verca, and you'll find many familiar things.

Not exactly. As hard as it is to believe, TKS isn't pro-templar:he criticized them and the Chantry in the past.

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Not exactly. As hard as it is to believe, TKS isn't pro-templar:he criticized them and the Chantry in the past.

True when im anti-mage i don't agree with templars and especially with chantry on many things and i would want replace them on something that will work and will be beneficial for me.So im rather doing that for myself than of support for anyone...



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Xilizhra is a woman, yes.

There is no gender on the internetz, so whatever.

 

And when i wrote "templar" i meant "anti-mage", but it was easier for majority with all the factions.