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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Those Harboring Blood mages and apostates aren't guilty?

 

 

Mettin may have been zealous but he wasn't wrong in doing his duty.

Of a crime worthy of being punishable by death? No.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Of a crime worthy of being punishable by death? No.

By our modern standards no. But then again, in Thedas it is fully acceptable to execute a man who stole a bag of grain from the crown.

[Master Warder Z_]

Some families harbored their loved ones because of the way they were being treated at the Circle. So, maybe by law they were guilty, but completely justified. One just gave her sister a meal and then sent her on her way. She should be killed for that?

 

You have your justice and i have mine.

[Divine Justinia V]

You have your justice and i have mine.

 

So, I'll just take that as a yes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

By our modern standards no. But then again, in Thedas it is fully acceptable to execute a man who stole a bag of grain from the crown.

Do they state that family members sheltering apostates are worthy of the death penalty. Then why are the Hawkes still alive after Cullen takes Bethany? Hawke had no pull at that point.

[Master Warder Z_]

So, I'll just take that as a yes.

 

Those seeking to undermine the efforts at containing the threat of magic are doing something that can brook no temperance nor mercy.

 

Death is the only suitable punishment, People like that must be killed else they will merely become a problem later.

[Master Warder Z_]

Do they state that family members sheltering apostates are worthy of the death penalty. Then why are the Hawkes still alive after Cullen takes Bethany? Hawke had no pull at that point.

 

Cullen stated pointedly in that scenario that had Bethany not voluntarily came to the circle that situation would have been entirely different.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cullen stated pointedly in that scenario that had Bethany not voluntarily came to the circle that situation would have been entirely different.

Yeah, but he never said they'd be killed. There's punishments besides death, you know. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Regardless, I'd like this question answered: Where does it say that those who harbor mages are deserving of the death penalty?

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, but he never said they'd be killed. There's punishments besides death, you know. 

 

The removal of the fingertips? The losing of a hand? Flogging? What medieval punishment standard are we going by here?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Do they state that family members sheltering apostates are worthy of the death penalty. Then why are the Hawkes still alive after Cullen takes Bethany? Hawke had no pull at that point.

I think that the punishment for criminals are pretty much open to interpretation on the individual basis. Mettin wasn't breaking the law when he wanted the families dead, and Agatha wasn't breaking the law by letting them live either.

[Master Warder Z_]

Regardless, I'd like this question answered: Where does it say that those who harbor mages are deserving of the death penalty?

 

In the very quest that prompted this discussion by Ser Mettin.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In the very quest that prompted this discussion by Ser Mettin.

I don't trust Ser Mettin's word. I want an actual source not from a zealot.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think that the punishment for criminals are pretty much open to interpretation on the individual basis. Mettin wasn't breaking the law when he wanted the families dead, and Agatha wasn't breaking the law by letting them live either.

That could be.

 

Ah well, Mettin's extreme ways only led to him rotting in some random cave in Sundermount.

[Master Warder Z_]

That could be.

 

Ah well, Mettin's extreme ways only led to him rotting in some random cave in Sundermount.

 

I disliked killing Agatha but her decision to stand by the surviving guilty persons left her to her fate.

 

Always a shame when a Templar has to die.

 

 She reminded me of a dear childhood friend.

[The Baconer]

I think that the punishment for criminals are pretty much open to interpretation on the individual basis. Mettin wasn't breaking the law when he wanted the families dead, and Agatha wasn't breaking the law by letting them live either.

 

^that. It most likely also means that if you're of common-birth you could have your household put to death, while a nobles will at most get away with a "That's bad. Please don't do that."

[Master Warder Z_]

^that. It most likely also means that if you're of common-birth you could have your household put to death, while a nobles will at most get away with a "That's bad. Please don't do that."

 

That's most likely why the actions of Emile De Launcet and his Mother aiding him didn't result in far more severe repercussions.

 

They were wealthy and minor Orlaisian Nobility.

[Divine Justinia V]

I disliked killing Agatha but her decision to stand by the surviving guilty persons left her to her fate.

 

Always a shame when a Templar has to die.

 

 She reminded me of a dear childhood friend.

 

Idk if DA:I is for you then because lots of Templars are going to die.

[Master Warder Z_]

Idk if DA:I is for you then because lots of Templars are going to die.

 

The Order will rebuild.

 

it will raise it self atop the bones of the fallen and be greater then it ever was before.

[Divine Justinia V]

The Order will rebuild.

 

it will raise it self atop the bones of the fallen and be greater then it ever was before.

[Master Warder Z_]

You do realize the Templar Order is thousands upon thousands strong and is a institution through out Thedas, Yes?

 

 I can't see them being overly harmed during the events of the war.

 

Defeat them in a single position and they still have a half dozen nations they are located within.

[Divine Justinia V]

You do realize the Templar Order is thousands upon thousands strong and is a institution through out Thedas, Yes?

 

 I can't see them being overly harmed during the events of the war.

 

Defeat them in a single position and they still have a half dozen nations they are located within.

 

We'll see

[EmperorSahlertz]

Not a single Templar is going to die by hand if I can help it. Lots of RED Templars probably, but not a single real one.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You do realize the Templar Order is thousands upon thousands strong and is a institution through out Thedas, Yes?

 

 I can't see them being overly harmed during the events of the war.

 

Defeat them in a single position and they still have a half dozen nations they are located within.

The war, maybe not. This on the other hand:

 

 

This I see causing them a lot of problems.

[EmissaryofLies]

I don't trust Ser Mettin's word. I want an actual source not from a zealot.

If you don't play a mage Hawke, at the end of Act I when Bethany is being taken to the circle Cullen informs Hawke and fam that they are lucky that they're not facing "the penalty" for harboring an apostate because Bethany submitted. This is Kirkwall. These are Kirkwall's templars who are not merciful in the slightest. The same Templar Organization who sent death squads to kill people who harbor apostates in Act III - Before the templar carries through he says "The Law is clear". Kirkwall law rules the day in DA II and we know who's running the Kirkwall show, the illustrious Maestro herself, the Meredith who btw is Viscount in all but name especially in Act III. We know that Meredith had sown discord within her ranks, I suspect that good Templar Agatha simply gained a brain when she could not strike down the mage sympathizing/familial flintbangers. Meredith was the law and she rebelled. It also does not help that the seekers who police the templars did not so much as lift a finger to stop let alone condemn Meredith.