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[Xilizhra]

Going back to Ser Metten and his death squad. 

 

To all people who felt he was justified, let me ask you this. Since templar authority is over mages and not over mundanes, why wasn't the magistrate, and we know there is one as there's a quest for him in Act 1, involved in the mundanes? If they had committed any crimes, why wasn't he involved? And why could the templars be judge, jury and execution for mundanes without him?

This argument is why I don't give a flying **** about the Chantry's laws. They're unjust and I see no reason to follow them if not doing so is more advantageous.

[dragonflight288]

Yeah. It's sad when the abominations go down quicker than some skeletons. 

 

Aren't skeletons really nothing more than spirits possessing the dead? Technically an skeleton can be more powerful than an abomination based on the demon possessing the corpse. Heck, the school of spirit in Origins is all about the study of the Fade and spirits according to the codex, and one if its best spells is "Animate Dead."

[Xilizhra]

Yeah. It's sad when the abominations go down quicker than some skeletons. 

Not "yeah," the PC could still definitely take them down; they'd just be elite or something. And skeletons seem to be universally feeble, aside from Bysmor.

[BlueMagitek]

Going back to Ser Metten and his death squad. 

 

To all people who felt he was justified, let me ask you this. Since templar authority is over mages and not over mundanes, why wasn't the magistrate, and we know there is one as there's a quest for him in Act 1, involved in the mundanes? If they had committed any crimes, why wasn't he involved? And why could the templars be judge, jury and execution for mundanes without him?

Magistrate was busy hiding the bodies of city elf women his son was killing.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Going back to Ser Metten and his death squad. 

 

To all people who felt he was justified, let me ask you this. Since templar authority is over mages and not over mundanes, why wasn't the magistrate, and we know there is one as there's a quest for him in Act 1, involved in the mundanes? If they had committed any crimes, why wasn't he involved? And why could the templars be judge, jury and execution for mundanes without him?

Templar juridstiction is in any and all matters of magical nature. A person hiding an apostate can, and probably is, be considered a magical matter, in which case the Templars would be involved.

The magistrate's son had already been at the Circle, where it was established he was NOT a magical case. Hence the lacking involvement of Templars.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Aren't skeletons really nothing more than spirits possessing the dead? Technically an skeleton can be more powerful than an abomination based on the demon possessing the corpse. Heck, the school of spirit in Origins is all about the study of the Fade and spirits according to the codex, and one if its best spells is "Animate Dead."

Well, I killed a Pride Abomination faster than I did some skeletons so...

 

 

Not "yeah," the PC could still definitely take them down; they'd just be elite or something. And skeletons seem to be universally feeble, aside from Bysmor.

We aren't arguing that. We're talking about what is more powerful than what according to the lore.

[Xilizhra]

We aren't arguing that. We're talking about what is more powerful than what according to the lore.

Lorewise, the PC is more powerful than everyone else they go up against.

[Veruin]

Lorewise, the PC is more powerful than everyone else they go up against.

Lorewise, the PC is just another person.

 

Get rid of gameplay and the PC will die again, again, and again.

[Xilizhra]

Lorewise, the PC is just another person.

 

Get rid of gameplay and the PC will die again, again, and again.

But... this is not actually true, because the PC actually does accomplish everything in-game, in lore as well. The Hero of Ferelden did beat the Blight, Hawke did bum around Kirkwall doing stuff and ultimately defeated Meredith. All of that does happen.

[BlueMagitek]

The PC can be a support character if you choose to make him such; even the most kill happy Warden has Alistair/Loghain at his side.  The Hero of Ferelden stopped the Blight, but it wasn't alone.

[Xilizhra]

The PC can be a support character if you choose to make him such; even the most kill happy Warden has Alistair/Loghain at his side.  The Hero of Ferelden stopped the Blight, but it wasn't alone.

It can be alone, if you don't take anyone else with you.

[Veruin]

It can be alone, if you don't take anyone else with you.

So you think the canon warden soloed everyone.  I want to be surprised, but I'm not.

[Xilizhra]

So you think the canon warden soloed everyone.  I want to be surprised, but I'm not.

I don't think canon has a point of view on that matter. The point is that it's possible. Abominations are far from insurmountable by mortal force.

[BlueMagitek]

It can be alone, if you don't take anyone else with you.

 

Doesn't matter, storywise you at least had one person with you.

 

Complain all you like about it, but that's just the way it is.  I left Garrus behind in ME 1 & picked up Liara last, but they're more than happy to recount how they were with me the entire way.

[Veruin]

Doesn't matter, storywise you at least had one person with you.

 

Complain all you like about it, but that's just the way it is.  I left Garrus behind in ME 1 & picked up Liara last, but they're more than happy to recount how they were with me the entire way.

You don't understand.  It's possible, and because it supports Xils theory, it's the correct one.

[Xilizhra]

Doesn't matter, storywise you at least had one person with you.

 

Complain all you like about it, but that's just the way it is.  I left Garrus behind in ME 1 & picked up Liara last, but they're more than happy to recount how they were with me the entire way.

Regardless of whether or not this is true, saying that abominations couldn't be beaten if lore was being enforced is simply incorrect.

[BlueMagitek]

Regardless of whether or not this is true, saying that abominations couldn't be beaten if lore was being enforced is simply incorrect.

Unstoppable?  Not quite.  A lot more powerful than gameplay suggests?  Oh yes, quite.  And Arcane Horrors should be the end of all things.

[Xilizhra]

Unstoppable?  Not quite.  A lot more powerful than gameplay suggests?  Oh yes, quite.  And Arcane Horrors should be the end of all things.

Arcane Horrors are adequately presented; they're almost universally huge threats in-game. Abominations would probably be a bit weaker, but actually in possession of spells (of course, you'd also meet fewer of them in-game).

[LobselVith8]

I don't think canon has a point of view on that matter. The point is that it's possible. Abominations are far from insurmountable by mortal force.

Which is why Merrill points out that the clans kill an elven mage turned abomination. If the abominations were as unstoppable as some posters were insinuating, Thedas would have been a lifeless ruin centuries ago.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lorewise, the PC is just another person.

 

Get rid of gameplay and the PC will die again, again, and again.

 

There are many just as if not more skilled out in Thedas.

 

Granted the number isn't massive or anything but there generally are more then just a handful of elite combatants in the world at a given time.

[Veruin]

Which is why Merrill points out that the clans kill an elven mage turned abomination. If the abominations were as unstoppable as some posters were insinuating, Thedas would have been a lifeless ruin centuries ago.

Completely ignoring that anyone isn't saying that they would be unstoppable, but merely harder to kill than the 2 clicks it takes slay them.  

[Star fury]

Templar juridstiction is in any and all matters of magical nature. A person hiding an apostate can, and probably is, be considered a magical matter, in which case the Templars would be involved.

The magistrate's son had already been at the Circle, where it was established he was NOT a magical case. Hence the lacking involvement of Templars.

Real life inquisition also had a jurisdiction over heretics, "witches" etc., but executions were carried out by secular authorities.

[Master Warder Z_]

Completely ignoring that anyone isn't saying that they would be unstoppable, but merely harder to kill than the 2 clicks it takes slay them.  

 

Pretty much.

 

Some abominations took entire squads of Templars to put down, are we to believe a dozen or so men armed with the best steel the chantry can arm them with just fell over and died fighting those horrors out of what? boredom?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Real life inquisition also had a jurisdiction over heretics, "witches" etc., but executions were carried out by secular authorities.

Okay. Relevance?

[Star fury]

Okay. Relevance?

Think about it again.