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Uneven Presentation of the mage-templar conflict


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#4251
dzs Angel

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Why would Insane Fanatics accept the help of a Seeker if he even offered it?

 

Fiona is an unstable taint brained loon, Not exactly a stable source of leadership.

Excactly, fanatics on both sides. Why should anyone entangled in this conflict even listen to anything. I believe a return to the status quo is impossible. The mages either win or retreat to Tevinter.



#4252
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May I ask how Lambert should be of use to the mages?

 

Because you can ask the thing wearing his flesh to support the mages!


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#4253
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Yes because killing someone who intends to imprison, murder or lobotimize you, with the latter two being the more likely scenario is "bs". Whatever floats your boat.
 
 

If not having to murder him. The mages could sit him down and inform him of the error of his ways. Pat him on the back and send him on his journey. It would be therapeutic for the mages. Teaching them that love, kindness and forgiveness is the only true way to win.

May I ask how they should be able to love someone who is trying to murder or lobotomize them?



#4254
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Because you can ask the thing wearing his flesh to support the mages!

I didn´t read the book, just the synopsis on DA Wiki. So I don´t know what you are talking about.

 

Edit: Sorry, I get it.



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._. It's Emmisary of Lies Elu.

And speaking of generalizations...You really have no bridge to walk on when it comes to that account.

Oh? Please enlighten me.

#4256
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I really wasn't proven wrong via my "generalization" huh? Big surprise.  :rolleyes:
 
Honestly call it generalization all you like, its about 90% of the time accurate to a t.


Oh but you were. That's how Lambert can be of use to the mages, as a symbol. Am I truly wrong? Not from a mage's perspective. His death at the hands of a circle mage would be inspirational and would further spur on the mages to strive for their freedom. Similar to Pro-Mage Hawke's stand against the Meredith in DA II.

But hey, neutralizing someone who has nothing but ill intent for you is 'pro-mage bs', how reasonable.

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I didn´t read the book, just the synopsis on DA Wiki. So I don´t know what you are talking about.

 

 I think he meant Cole, the boy-spirit. He was supposedly the one to "kill" Lambert at the end of Asunder.


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I didn´t read the book, just the synopsis on DA Wiki. So I don´t know what you are talking about.

 

The implication that if he does appear, it might be because the spirit that called itself Cole has possessed his body.



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So let me be straight. There are people who think Fiona is immoral and lunatic while they worship Lambert?

 

I need to get out of here, right now.


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May I ask how they should be able to love someone who is trying to murder or lobotomize them?


That post was made almost entirely in sarcastic jest. I apologize for any misunderstanding.
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Because you can ask the thing wearing his flesh to support the mages!

 

Maker i hope that isn't the case  :(



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Oh but you were. That's how Lambert can be of use to the mages, as a symbol. Am I truly wrong? Not from a mage's perspective. His death at the hands of a circle mage would be inspirational and would further spur on the mages to strive for their freedom. Similar to Pro-Mage Hawke's stand against the Meredith in DA II.

But hey, neutralizing someone who has nothing but ill intent for you is 'pro-mage bs', how reasonable.

 

Exactly Murder via Symbol, You can declare it justice for a faction if you like but to me it's just blatant murder in the name of a faction.

 

At least i don't pretend the mages that were killed by the Templars were "symbols" of how the system worked, if anything they were symptoms of it failing, but that's a debate for another day.

 

And Pro Mage BS is Pro Mage BS.



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The implication that if he does appear, it might be because the spirit that called itself Cole has possessed his body.

That´s a fascinating idea.



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Master Warder Z_

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 I think he meant Cole, the boy-spirit. He was supposedly the one to "kill" Lambert at the end of Asunder.

 

Boy-Spirit?

 

You mean Demented Demon impersonating a person.



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Maker i hope that isn't the case :(


To be honest, that might very well be what occurs. Why else would they name him MIA instead of simply saying he's dead in WoT?

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Divine Justinia V

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Boy-Spirit?

 

You mean Demented Demon impersonating a person.

 

Stop :( I felt bad for Cole.


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To be honest, that might very well be what occurs. Why else would they name him MIA instead of simply saying he's dead in WoT

 

Good point


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So far Spirits have played significant roles in DA. Justice, Faith and Cole. We might see more of them as all three are alive and well or we could see a new one.



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To be honest, that might very well be what occurs. Why else would they name him MIA instead of simply saying he's dead in WoT?

 

Because he might actually be missing rather then dead?

 

I don't make gross assumptions of logic with out basis unless if there is enough known of the situation to do so.


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Stop :( I felt bad for Cole.

 

I didn't or rather i did until i actually gleaned his true nature.

 

A Demon is a Demon.


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Good point


I'm generally against the idea of Cole in a Lambert suit, but, after some thought, Lambert merged with Cole, in a Wynne/Faith or Anders/Justice fashion might have potential.
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So let me be straight. There are people who think Fiona is immoral and lunatic while they worship Lambert?

 

I need to get out of here, right now.

You won't be missed.



#4273
Divine Justinia V

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I didn't or rather i did until i actually gleaned his true nature.

 

A Demon is a Demon.

 

Not all spirits are demons.


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I'm generally against the idea of Cole in a Lambert suit, but, after some thought, Lambert merged with Cole, in a Wynne/Faith or Anders/Justice fashion might have potential.


That's certainly an interesting prospect. I wonder how spirit possession would affect his abilities, as well as his mind. Particularly since he and Cole would probably not sync well together.

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I didn't or rather i did until i actually gleaned his true nature.

 

A Demon is a Demon.

 

He merely answered to the cries of a mage who was wronged by templars. 

 

Its interesting that all three spirits we met helped mages and thought their cause was the right one.