I'm generally against the idea of Cole in a Lambert suit, but, after some thought, Lambert merged with Cole, in a Wynne/Faith or Anders/Justice fashion might have potential.
It'd definitely be interesting to see how it plays out, a spirit (that was merged with a mage and we can believe he's pro-mage) and a Lord Seeker merged. I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
Exactly Murder via Symbol, You can declare it justice for a faction if you like but to me it's just blatant murder in the name of a faction.
At least i don't pretend the mages that were killed by the Templars were "symbols" of how the system worked, if anything they were symptoms of it failing, but that's a debate for another day.
And Pro Mage BS is Pro Mage BS.
Not all spirits are demons.
I didn't or rather i did until i actually gleaned his true nature.
A Demon is a Demon.
Most likely he was a hope spirit that was slowly turning into a despair demon and lamberts little stunt in the sewers pushed him over the edge. The best way to to create despair is to rub into somebody's face that the monster that is about to kill them was created by their own hand. which is exactly what cole did
I'm generally against the idea of Cole in a Lambert suit, but, after some thought, Lambert merged with Cole, in a Wynne/Faith or Anders/Justice fashion might have potential.
Excactly, because even the good spirits like Justice force their opinions on their subject.
My opinion has always been that Cole is actually possessing Lambert. I think Lambert is alive because there is no body, and Cole disappeared as well.
I would normally agree, but his blood magic makes me think otherwise. At the very least, he is a very powerful spiritual entity, the likes of which we have not encountered yet.
Yeah, I think he's very powerful but I really don't think he's a demon. Blood magic or no.
I always thought of Cole as a spirit /demon of Mercy, based on what we have seen him do so far.
Me too!
Most likely he was a hope spirit that was slowly turning into a despair demon and lamberts little stunt in the sewers pushed him over the edge. The best way to to create despair is to rub into somebody's face that the monster that is about to kill them was created by their own hand. which is exactly what cole did
Yeah i don't see that at all personally.
I see a demon, not corrupted by human influence, not given that blatant excuse to forgo its mass murdering spree, too stupid to realize its own nature until it was pointed out by a righteous man doing his duty.
My opinion has always been that Cole is actually possessing Lambert. I think Lambert is alive because there is no body, and Cole disappeared as well.
My opinion has always been more or less the same, Lambert escaped the situation with his life or he did not.
I don't interpret anything more.
He merely answered to the cries of a mage who was wronged by templars.
Its interesting that all three spirits we met helped mages and thought their cause was the right one.
I do think that he was influenced by staying with the original Cole, until he died. As evidenced by his assuming that child's form as well as his absorption of his memories.Yeah i don't see that at all personally.
I see a demon, not corrupted by human influence, not given that blatant excuse to forgo its mass murdering spree, too stupid to realize its own nature until it was pointed out by a righteous man doing his duty.
They are symbols. Sympathetic symbols surely(Meredith and the Lambert), but what they seek is ultimate control and if not that, utter annihilation. I can respect an Evangeline, I can respect a Gregoir. I cannot and will never respect people that want to dominate and control others(including mages)based off a mage hating religion that may or may not even be legitimate by their own standards(maker turning his back and not meddling in mortal affairs). The Meredith and Lambert are great symbols of what the mages have to overcome in politics, battle and in daily life.
And Templar BS smells just as bad.
See this is normally where i'd trade ideology and philosophy but given both our stances are known to each i'l save sometime.
I support the circle system, the Templars and the confinement of magic, little will change my mind by this point unless if things drastically shift.
I can agree to that, But i still find the Templar case more appealing and stronger.
I do think that he was influenced by staying with the original Cole, until he died. As evidenced by his assuming that child's form as well as his absorption of his memories.
The demon likely possessed the mages corpse and later abandoned it when it encountered Rhys, stronger living host.
Pillaging the memories of the corpse would be no mean feat for a demon.
Nothing says Spirits are immune to bias. Who would they realistically side with; Entities they can see and intelligently interact with on their home plane, and who share similar abilities, or entities they can barely perceive at all, and who they have no interest in under normal circumstances?
Pretty sure they're naturally inclined to side with the ones most like them.
Like everybody else.
Like everybody else.
I do think that he was influenced by staying with the original Cole, until he died. As evidenced by his assuming that child's form as well as his absorption of his memories.
All this does is show that he's far more complex than any spirit or demon we ever encountered before, and doesn't fit under the Chantry's rules.
He doesn't embody any virtue or vice, so he's not a spirit or a demon as the Chantry, and thus all Andrastians, define them, as he doesn't represent any sort of sin. But at the same time, he's clearly some kind of spirit.
Like everybody else.
Which goes back to a Merrill and Anders discussion, when she says the fade/beyond is nothing more than another realm populated by different people. Just like Hawke, Anders and Isaballa were all human, they were all different.
Nothing says Spirits are immune to bias. Who would they realistically side with; Entities they can see and intelligently interact with on their home plane, and who share similar abilities, or entities they can barely perceive at all, and who they have no interest in under normal circumstances?
Pretty sure they're naturally inclined to side with the ones most like them.
Perhaps but on larger scheme of things, what if more spirits decide to help. I know its just an speculation but spirits are quite strong, so far the evidence points that way. Also the veil tear helps with it too.
Wynne washing the floor with a demon with help of Faith.
Ander's short story where he wipes out entire squad of Templars, people who train for years to counter his kind, with a single spell. With help of justice
And you now about Cole.
We haven't seen any spirit of hope so far, unless Cole is one. They are the strongest of all spirits and its said that when a mage is dreaming about good things and is not interrupted by demons its most likely the mage is dwelling in a spirit of hope's domain on the fade where no demon dares to enter.
The demon likely possessed the mages corpse and later abandoned it when it encountered Rhys, stronger living host.
Pillaging the memories of the corpse would be no mean feat for a demon.
But losing his own memories and gaining multiple characteristic traits? A rage demon is nothing but rage at anything and everything. Hunger demons are generally hungry. Justice or Valor is defined by the characteristics they want to emulate.
Cole does none of these things, and so is not a demon or a spirit in the way that the Chantry defines them. But he is clearly made of a spiritual nature. He is something that exists outside the Chantry's rules on what makes up a spirit or a demon.
He is an unknown.
The demon likely possessed the mages corpse and later abandoned it when it encountered Rhys, stronger living host.
Pillaging the memories of the corpse would be no mean feat for a demon.
I'm generally against the idea of Cole in a Lambert suit, but, after some thought, Lambert merged with Cole, in a Wynne/Faith or Anders/Justice fashion might have potential.
That would probably be uglier than having the entity be in full control.
I mean, he'd probably be begging you to kill him, whenever he got the chance to speak.
Which goes back to a Merrill and Anders discussion, when she says the fade/beyond is nothing more than another realm populated by different people. Just like Hawke, Anders and Isaballa were all human, they were all different.
Excactly
But losing his own memories and gaining multiple characteristic traits? A rage demon is nothing but rage at anything and everything. Hunger demons are generally hungry. Justice or Valor is defined by the characteristics they want to emulate.
Cole does none of these things, and so is not a demon or a spirit in the way that the Chantry defines them. But he is clearly made of a spiritual nature. He is something that exists outside the Chantry's rules on what makes up a spirit or a demon.
He is an unknown.
That would probably be uglier than having the entity be in full control.
I mean, he'd probably be begging you to kill him, whenever he got the chance to speak.
That would be a sight to see.
I can see it now. Lambert is possessed, and knowing that the people he promoted and the ball he got rolling with declaring the Nevarran Accord to be void, knows his life is forfeit if he is found. So he hides. We the Inquisitor can find him and put him in the party, occasionally talking to him or Cole. Cole asks us to kill Lambert, and Lambert is desperate to find out if he can be unpossessed, and decides to see if he can make himself tranquil, only for Cole to point out that that wouldn't work since he's already possessed.
Eventually we have a choice to take Lambert to Fiona and ask her to help, or to take him to the Chantry and have them execute him and Cole.
*cackling madly* IT'LL BE BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT BRILLIANT!!!
The fact that we don't know what he is does not prevent him being a Spirit/Demon in the traditional sense. It just means we don't know. We have observed that some spirits/demons acquire complexity once inhabiting a host. Justice, for example, learns love, compassion, wonder, an entire spectrum beyond his base nature. He was forever changed by being forced into Kristoff(?). Nothing suggests Cole couldn't have started equally one dimensional and been altered by possession.
True, but even then, Justice remained focused on the concept of Justice. But with his perception change, he focused strictly on the justice of one group.
Which technically isn't justice at all since justice as a concept is no respecter of persons. There is only innocent or guilty. Nothing in between.
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