True, but even then, Justice remained focused on the concept of Justice. But with his perception change, he focused strictly on the justice of one group.
Which technically isn't justice at all since justice as a concept is no respecter of persons. There is only innocent or guilty. Nothing in between.
Lots of room for interesting interpretations. I look forward to learning more.
As do I.
Dragonflight, bonus points for the Yzma reference. Made me cackle.
LOL. You're welcome.
And if anyone says that they don't get that reference, I'll turn them into a flea. A harmless little flea, then I'll put that flea in a box, then put that box into another box and mail it to myself. And when it arrives, HAHAHAHA, I'll smash it with a hammer!
Just goes to show that I'm a mage and everything, with the whole turn people into fleas thing. lol.
My goodness. How quickly to people post on this thread?
You slay me, DF. Lol
My goodness. How quickly to people post on this thread?
It must be magic! Call the templars...wait, no, they declared the Nevarran Accord void. Call the Seers of Rivain? Wait, Rivain's Circle was annulled. Call the Dalish or the chasind! Wait, they're heathens.
I know, CALL THE LOCKSMITH!
I'm just saying that prison isn't a pleasant environment due to the lack of freedom and inability to fully interact with the outside world.
The world isn't a pleasant environment.
And you know what else is overrated?
Everything.
So her pushing the subject, causing the entire incident is to be forgiven because...what? it may have happened eventually?
I cannot support that reasoning.
It's not "it may have", it was inevitable. Support it or don't, it doesn't change that it was coming. Kirkwall set everything in motion and mages saw that they didn't have to be held ad treated the way that they have been for years. That's literally how Asunder starts. It's a build up.
Annulments are also bound to happen sooner or later.
Thus, Meredith was justified.
You heard it here folks. The "it was gonna happen because I think it would have happened!" defense.
No, you don't know.
None of us know what would have happened. So stop with the BS.
They are symbols. Sympathetic symbols surely(Meredith and the Lambert), but what they seek is ultimate control and if not that, utter annihilation. I can respect an Evangeline, I can respect a Gregoir. I cannot and will never respect people that want to dominate and control others(including mages)based off a mage hating religion that may or may not even be legitimate by their own standards(maker turning his back and not meddling in mortal affairs). The Meredith and Lambert are great symbols of what the mages have to overcome in politics, battle and in daily life.
And Templar BS smells just as bad.
BS.
How about some actual facts?
What templars seek is not ULTIMATE CONTROL. There's nothing ultimate about the Circle system.
They seek safety for the mundanes.
The Chantry is mage-weary (which is a sane stance), not mage--hating.
And utter anihhilation? No, that's never been the agenda of any templar so far.
Lambert wants mages back in the Circles, not dead.
Meredith wanted her Circle anulled (and only because there were blood mages every where and the idol), not death to every mage, everywhere.
BS.
How about some actual facts?
What templars seek is not ULTIMATE CONTROL. There's nothing ultimate about the Circle system.
They seek safety for the mundanes.
The Chantry is mage-weary (which is a sane stance), not mage--hating.
And utter anihhilation? No, that's never been the agenda of any templar so far.
Lambert wants mages back in the Circles, not dead.
Meredith wanted her Circle anulled (and only because there were blood mages every where and the idol), not death to every mage, everywhere.
So why did she use the idol for herself?
BS.
How about some actual facts?
What templars seek is not ULTIMATE CONTROL. There's nothing ultimate about the Circle system.
They seek safety for the mundanes.
The Chantry is mage-weary (which is a sane stance), not mage--hating.
And utter anihhilation? No, that's never been the agenda of any templar so far.
Lambert wants mages back in the Circles, not dead.
Meredith wanted her Circle anulled (and only because there were blood mages every where and the idol), not death to every mage, everywhere.
And to be honest, what proof of actual blood magic did she even have, to have her Circle worthy of an Annulment?
And to be honest, what proof of actual blood magic did she even have, to have her Circle worthy of an Annulment?
Well 100 insane power hungry blood mages running on the streets per day who escaped from circle?
And to be honest, what proof of actual blood magic did she even have, to have her Circle worthy of an Annulment?
She wanted the Circle annulled because of the death of the Grand Cleric and destruction of the Chantry by a Mage, I don't think Blood Magic factored in that decision.
But yeah, she had zero proof of Blood Magic in the Circle rearguards, didn't she want to do a random raid on it before the explosion?
Well 100 insane power hungry blood mages running on the streets per day who escaped from circle?
Except we only encountered 7 within how many years? Lol okay.
Well 100 insane power hungry blood mages running on the streets per day who escaped from circle?
Where did she find those bloodmages? Because most of them weren´t allowed to leave the gallows.
Except we only encountered 7 within how many years? Lol okay.
lol 7? perhaps leader of blood mages count groups and abomnations under their leadership and that was from 1 person perspective that don't even have to deal with mages every day.Even snarky hawke can say that it would be good if there was at least 1 weak without meeting insane blood mage...
Where did she find those bloodmages? Because most of them weren´t allowed to leave the gallows.
Well if hawke meet very many of them i think that templars have to deal with more do i have mention that mages escaping from circles insn't anything new? especially with soft ,naive and incompetent templars like thrask
Where did she find those bloodmages? Because most of them weren´t allowed to leave the gallows.
If those blood mages were apostates, then that would mean by virtue of elimination that they aren't Circle mages, and so the Circle is not irredeemable and is not qualified to be annulled in the first place.
lol 7? perhaps leader of blood mages count groups and abomnations under their leadership and that was from 1 person perspective that don't even have to deal with mages every day.Even snarky hawke can say that it would be good if there was at least 1 weak without meeting insane blood mage...
Only in Act 3. You know, after Meredith has been in power for 3 years and pretty much assumed near total control of the city and had alienated almost every group, from the nobles, apostates, commoners, the city guards and so on.
Acts 1 and 2 you face 7 confirmed blood mages....tops, over the course of 5-7 years.
One of them is from Tevinter and two are apostates.
She wanted the Circle annulled because of the death of the Grand Cleric and destruction of the Chantry by a Mage, I don't think Blood Magic factored in that decision.
But yeah, she had zero proof of Blood Magic in the Circle rearguards, didn't she want to do a random raid on it before the explosion?
The Knight-Commander only provides one single reason for her Right of Annulment. Meredith exclaims: "The grand cleric has been slain, the Chantry destroyed. As Knight-Commander of Kirkwall, I hereby invoke the Right of Annulment. Every mage in the Circle is to be executed - immediately." After Anders confesses and First Enchanter Orsino points out that the Circle isn't responsible for the actions of one single man, Meredith admits: "It doesn't matter. Even if I wished to, I could not stay my hand. The people will demand blood."
Later on, in the Gallows (and in font of several templars and Knight-Captain Cullen), Meredith again admits: "The grand cleric is dead, killed by a mage. The people will demand retribution, and I will give it to them." Hundreds of men, women, and children are being condemned to execution because the Knight-Commander turned despot wants to appease a hypothetical mob.
Only in Act 3. You know, after Meredith has been in power for 3 years and pretty much assumed near total control of the city and had alienated almost every group, from the nobles, apostates, commoners, the city guards and so on.
Acts 1 and 2 you face 7 confirmed blood mages....tops, over the course of 5-7 years.
One of them is from Tevinter and two are apostates.
Yeah but it doesn't matter because apostate = blood mage and we obviously met 100 of them.
Yeah but it doesn't matter because apostate = blood mage and we obviously met 100 of them.
To be fair from the pro-templar point of view, in Act 3 the gang that runs rumpant in Hightown are a bunch of blood mages.
Which kind of begs the question why the templars now posted throughout Hightown aren't doing anything.
To be fair from the pro-templar point of view, in Act 3 the gang that runs rumpant in Hightown are a bunch of blood mages.
Which kind of begs the question why the templars now posted throughout Hightown aren't doing anything.
To be fair from the pro-templar point of view, in Act 3 the gang that runs rumpant in Hightown are a bunch of blood mages.
Which kind of begs the question why the templars now posted throughout Hightown aren't doing anything.
Either way, you cannot say throughout the entire game we met that many blood mages. It's hyperbolic and simply untrue??
I've played the pro-templar way and I do know what you're talking about, but story-wise, disregarding those fights? Depending on which side you choose, obviously the game will cater to it and make the opposing side looks worse ie: groups of blood mages/evil templars trying to kill innocents.
also, good question
Only in Act 3. You know, after Meredith has been in power for 3 years and pretty much assumed near total control of the city and had alienated almost every group, from the nobles, apostates, commoners, the city guards and so on.
Acts 1 and 2 you face 7 confirmed blood mages....tops, over the course of 5-7 years.
One of them is from Tevinter and two are apostates.
Hm do you mean grace and her boyfriend plus other blood mages with them who were creating army of undead or perhaps Tarohne and her other plenty blood mages that she was leading?
But first 2 act doesn't even matter because meredith called roa in third act and there we had abomnation and blood mages feast roa perfectly that meredith despite insanity was totally right...
And no i don't think that apostate= blood mage templars yes i don't but in da 2 it was truth there were little apostates that weren't blood mages....
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