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[TheKomandorShepard]

I agree... if the numbers are true. You're just making them up. The only things we know as facts are that both groups have dangerous maniacs and that their leaders hide dark secrets (Orsino and the blood mage murderer, Meredith and red lyrium). The parallelism is evident.

 

Fact is most mages in kirkwall were corrupted and we saw it plenty times of course i don't know precisely numbers but that were examples put like 7/10 60/100 900/1000 in every of that cases group/organisation is corrupted because they have high-level of corruption when we don't know exact numbers as i said but we know that most mages were corrupted and that is enough to put them into high-corruption territory. 

 

And what with templars few peoples corrupted in organisation that we have at least hundreds/thousand members thats nothing thats barely low-corruption...

 

 

So you are telling me the chantry is allowing insane and dangerous people to become members of the templar order, thus safeguarding humanity from evil mages and certain doom, while they are spreading the chant of light in order to safe humanities souls. So our fate is decided by fanatics, religious zealots and psycopaths. Well, I guess that´s something.

 

Well to be honest that isn't different from our world even now such peoples shaped current world and will shape it further... you may don't know what really happens in politics and other institutions so you can have good sleep neither peoples in thedas know...

 

it is more about survival saving souls is only theory that sounds pretty like killing for honor or the homeland...

[dzs Angel]

 

 

 

 

Well to be honest that isn't different from our world even now such peoples shaped current world and will shape it further... you may don't know what really happens in politics and other institutions so you can have good sleep neither peoples in thedas know...

 

it is more about survival saving souls is only theory that sounds pretty like killing for honor or the homeland...

Guess so, the grim reality. But in that case the mages will fight till they achieved victory or forced to retreat to Tevinter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I do not know.

Although it's not hard to come to the"the Circle is beyond saving" conclusion given all the s*** going on in Kirkwall, and obvious ties between apostates/blood-mages and the Circle.

Let's not forget that Meredith asked for a RoA before Anders blew up Elthina.

Which means she already thought the Circle was corrupt.

Her asking for the RoA was more due to her paranoia of blood mages being skyrocketed to 11 by the giant Red Lyrium sword on her back than actual facts. She was basically thinking blood mages were like cockroaches. "For every 1 you see, there are 100 you don't."

[TheKomandorShepard]

Guess so, the grim reality. But in that case the mages will fight till they achieved victory or forced to retreat to Tevinter.

 

Tevinter won't accept them if i remember correctly one devs even said that tev will see other mages as unwanted competition and i doubt they will help them because they have good hearts... So either mages win ,get drag to circles back or my preferred option and only effective destroyed for good...

[EmissaryofLies]

Can you please clarify that, Komandor? I understand the arguements for control and subjugation. But in this context the Illusive Man is undoubtedly correct, "why destroy when you can control?". Pull the mages out as a wild card and stick them back into their cages when you're through. I imagine that's how most Pro-Templars feel. It is the most tactical approach to take for those who need to control mages.

[dzs Angel]

Tevinter won't accept them if i remember correctly one devs even said that tev will see other mages as unwanted competition and i doubt they will help them because they have good hearts... So either mages win ,get drag to circles back or my preferred option and only effective destroyed for good...

Tevinter is in need of additional troops to fight the Qunari. The only reason the Qunari haven´t overrun Tevinter is because the chantry would call for an exalted march if the Qunari would happen to appear at Orlais border.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Can you please clarify that, Komandor? I understand the arguements for control and subjugation. But in this context the Illusive Man is undoubtedly correct, "why destroy when you can control?". Pull the mages out as a wild card and stick them back into their cages when you're through. I imagine that's how most Pro-Templars feel. It is the most tactical approach to take for those who need to control mages.

Yeah IM was himself controled by reapers because he wanted control them so well... another matter that mages can't be controled i think series proved that even qunari almost caused end of the world because they think that they can control mages even with that methods... even worse with templars... 

 

i could spare at best few mages to prepare joining and try examine veil and fix it and they were in harsh controled conditions...

 

 

Tevinter is in need of additional troops to fight the Qunari. The only reason the Qunari haven´t overrun Tevinter is because the chantry would call for an exalted march if the Qunari would happen to appear at Orlais border.

 

As i said i doubt that tevinter are patriots they are more self-intrested and well that doesn't change anything peoples still will be in thedas just mages not... for them it is competition and i doubt that 1000 in most weak and unstable mages with chantry teachings would be anything that trouble like they are everywhere in thedas and some stronger mages in that group would be only competition...

[EmperorSahlertz]

Honestly, the short story with Anders feels as though it's divorced from the narrative of Dragon Age II. Queen Anora and King Alistair are sympathetic to the plight of the mages. If the Warden-Commander is pro-mage, than it makes even less sense that the order would acquiesce to allow a templar spy into the organization. If the Warden-Commander is a mage, I'd think having a mage having political power as Arl, as well as commanding an army and governing a city, would be more of an issue for the templars (and even the Chantry) than a single mage serving as a Warden.

You of course realize that it is only Anders who THINKS that the ex-Templar is actually a spy isntead of a... You know... ACtually recruited Templar recruited into the Grey Wardens... ANders, who we KNOW was extremely paranoid in all matters regarding the Templars.

[EmissaryofLies]

Yeah IM was himself controled by reapers because he wanted control them so well... another matter that mages can't be controled i think series proved that even qunari almost caused end of the world because they think that they can control mages even with that methods... even worse with templars... 
 
i could spare at best few mages to prepare joining and try examine veil and fix it and they were in harsh controled conditions...

That's why I said that the IM would be correct in this particular scenario. Just an opinion. An opinion that's been supported by Circles and Chantries for almost a thousand years. But if your modus operandi is to simply wipe them out, far be it from me to stop you from possibly crippling the Chantry. Would be oddly poetic.

[Hellion Rex]

You of course realize that it is only Anders who THINKS that the ex-Templar is actually a spy isntead of a... You know... ACtually recruited Templar recruited into the Grey Wardens... ANders, who we KNOW was extremely paranoid in all matters regarding the Templars.

Either, we don't have the full story. Perhaps drop the tangent, as it is going nowhere?

[EmperorSahlertz]

We have more than enough of the story to say that it fits just fine into Anders' character.

[TK514]

It'll be a fine day for the DA franchise when the devs come out and declare that, er 'story' non-canon. As far as I'm concerned it has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and it's sole purpose seems to be making sure that everyone in or associated with it looks like an idiot.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I think it quite simply serves the purpose of explaining why Anders left the Grey Wardens.

[TK514]

I think it quite simply serves the purpose of explaining why Anders left the Grey Wardens.

I think a single line of dialog "I don't play well with others" would have served the same purpose without everyone temporarily losing their faculties to make it happen.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Anders left because he merged with Justice, he says as much to Bethany. The Grey Wardens knew of it, and wouldn't have him in the Wardens anymore. The short story tells that story just fine.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It doesn't really seem to fit well with the Anders we see in DA 2 to me, either. His ability to control Justice gets worse as the years go on, but the story turns him into a crazed cannibal even before he meets Hawke. That's seems more messed up than anything the actual game. Even the terrorism at the end is more cold and calculated than driven by a primal rage, and even then he seems to carry a certain amount of guilt despite carrying it out anyway.

 

Even his freakout at the Chantry with Karl has much more emotional distress to trigger it and even though he kills the templars who corner him he doesn't dismember or mutilate their corpses. Can you imagine how differently the scene with Karl may have played out if Anders acted the way he did the story? I kind of suspect Karl may have spent his few moments of emotion freaking out that Anders was drinking templar blood instead.

 

Perhaps more importantly though, Anders' former comrades don't seem to treat him like it happened. Stroud seems to regard him with the same level of contempt reserved for a coward or a deserter, not a rabid animal that killed and ate his brothers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's why I said that the IM would be correct in this particular scenario. Just an opinion. An opinion that's been supported by Circles and Chantries for almost a thousand years. But if your modus operandi is to simply wipe them out, far be it from me to stop you from possibly crippling the Chantry. Would be oddly poetic.

I don't think TKS will care. He seems to hate the Chantry too. He basically wants to kill anything and everything that doesn't think like he does.

[dzs Angel]

I don't think TKS will care. He seems to hate the Chantry too. He basically wants to kill anything and everything that doesn't think like he does.

 

Like a Red Templar. I believe he would like to get rid of every competitor in order to ensure his own power. Sounds like a Orlaisian Noble to me.

[Grieving Natashina]

"It's professional not emotional lol."   

[Steelcan]

So I have been going through DA:O again because my social life is so amazing I replay games I've beaten four times in my spare time.

 

 

Anyways for the first time I sided with the templars, but did not get the mages killed.  (Save Irving and tell Greagor that you can't risk blood mages getting out)

 

 

 

Why can't we get an option like this?  The templars don't come off as particularly blood thirsty, minus Cullen, and the mages get to not die if they aren't possessed.

[Grieving Natashina]

And Cullen was rather severely shell shocked at that point in time, so even he gets a pass.  Still, he never came off as bloodthirsty, more scared out of his wits and defensive.

[Steelcan]

And Cullen was rather severely shell shocked at that point in time, so even he gets a pass.  Still, he never came off as bloodthirsty, more scared out of his wits and defensive.

 

I am inclined to agree with this.

 

 

See people there is middle ground we can agree on.

[Divine Justinia V]

"It's professional not emotional lol."   

 

Literally the greatest BSN quote of all time.

 

 

And Cullen was rather severely shell shocked at that point in time, so even he gets a pass.  Still, he never came off as bloodthirsty, more scared out of his wits and defensive.

 

I 800000% agree with this, it was a normal response for anyone. After what he had been through, I'm surprised it wasn't worse tbh

[KaiserShep]

If I was subjected to Uldred's nonsense I'd be pretty freaked out by mages too.

[Valsora]

With as fluid as the story is, the options and character choices that define the path and direction, I believe the idea is that the form the inquisition takes changes from how you have imported or created in the DA Keep.

 

Example: end of DA:O if your warden was a mage, he is held as an example to aspire to. If you over throw Meredith in Kirkwall, it's a cautionary tale - as seen with Varric's interrogation.

 

At least, I do hope that the lengths the Templars go to contain mages within DA:I change with the history of your imports. The larger tragedies caused by mages, or the lessons learned from their persecution and resulting blood magic, should impact the attitude that the Inquisition takes in the new period of fear; as the tears begin to rain Darkspawn and other assorted nasties, mages will either be a resource to be watched or an evil to be contained, dependent on your game history.