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[Grieving Natashina]

Literally the greatest BSN quote of all time.

I think it's a great quote for many forum sites on the internet.  Reddit comes to mind.

 

 

I 800000% agree with this, it was a normal response for anyone. After what he had been through, I'm surprised it wasn't worse tbh

 

 

No kidding, especially after gods-know how many hours he spent being tortured.  And yet, after all of that, he was still willing to let Hawke arrest some mages rather than kill them during the RoA.  I'm not a Cullen fangirl, but I am impressed that he still had restraint left after the Broken Circle.  His perspective would help give the Templars some better PR.  We've had good apostates over the years, which show that not all mages outside the Circle are evil blood mages out to steal yo' babies.  I'd like to see a full fledged Templar do the same as a companion that the apostate companions have done for us..

 

 It's really easy to condemn both templars and mages after the events of DA2, and some of the events of Origins.  However, I'm still curious about what motivates the average Templar.  I used Cullen as an example earlier, but it doesn't have to be him.  The Templar character I'd like to see is not the zealot, not the abuser, but a person that is like a harder version of Sebastian.  Someone that believes in the Chant, believes in the Maker and always strives to never give into blind hate.  I picture s/he to be a capable fighter showing no mercy to an abomination, yet does not paint all mages with the same broad and bloody brush.  Someone that isn't afraid to use force and is quite good at it, but strives to use more of a gentler and diplomatic tactic than most of the Templars we've witnessed over the years.  Instead of either totally ignorant and blind (oh hai Kerras!) or completely loony. (oh, hai Alrik.   )

 

That's just me though.  I'm rambling.  Time for bed, happy weekend everyone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That's why I said that the IM would be correct in this particular scenario. Just an opinion. An opinion that's been supported by Circles and Chantries for almost a thousand years. But if your modus operandi is to simply wipe them out, far be it from me to stop you from possibly crippling the Chantry. Would be oddly poetic.

 

Yeah opinion supported by circles and disasters caused by mages anyway circles were weak try to control mages and results are ferelden circle and kirkwall circle as well peoples like anders who escape circles constantly.So nope i don't think that circles are working...

 

 

I don't think TKS will care. He seems to hate the Chantry too. He basically wants to kill anything and everything that doesn't think like he does.

 

i see them as obstacle to my victory

 

 

Like a Red Templar. I believe he would like to get rid of every competitor in order to ensure his own power. Sounds like a Orlaisian Noble to me.

Nah orlesian noble have to share power with other incompetent peoples i prefer "might makes right"

[Grieving Natashina]

TKS, your resemblance to R. Lee Emery's portrayal of a drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket is frightening.  Hint: He had a lot of the same philosophy as your forum IC and treated any private like crap that didn't agree.  Tried to force them in line, you see.  

 

Hint: It didn't work out so well for him.

[TK514]

No kidding, especially after gods-know how many hours he spent being tortured.  And yet, after all of that, he was still willing to let Hawke arrest some mages rather than kill them during the RoA.  I'm not a Cullen fangirl, but I am impressed that he still had restraint left after the Broken Circle.  His perspective would help give the Templars some better PR.  We've had good apostates over the years, which show that not all mages outside the Circle are evil blood mages out to steal yo' babies.  I'd like to see a full fledged Templar do the same as a companion that the apostate companions have done for us..
 
 It's really easy to condemn both templars and mages after the events of DA2, and some of the events of Origins.  However, I'm still curious about what motivates the average Templar.  I used Cullen as an example earlier, but it doesn't have to be him.  The Templar character I'd like to see is not the zealot, not the abuser, but a person that is like a harder version of Sebastian.  Someone that believes in the Chant, believes in the Maker and always strives to never give into blind hate.  I picture s/he to be a capable fighter showing no mercy to an abomination, yet does not paint all mages with the same broad and bloody brush.  Someone that isn't afraid to use force and is quite good at it, but strives to use more of a gentler and diplomatic tactic than most of the Templars we've witnessed over the years.  Instead of either totally ignorant and blind (oh hai Kerras!) or completely loony. (oh, hai Alrik.   )
 
That's just me though.  I'm rambling.  Time for bed, happy weekend everyone.

Not just you. I, for one, could not agree more.

[TheKomandorShepard]

TKS, your resemblance to R. Lee Emery's portrayal of a drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket is frightening.  Hint: He had a lot of the same philosophy as your forum IC and treated any private like crap that didn't agree.  Tried to force them in line, you see.  

 

Hint: It didn't work out so well for him.

 

Well im not quite like that he was military guy when im free spirit besides guy was stupid enough to provoke unstable psycho with gun pointed at him thats why it ended badly...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TKS, your resemblance to R. Lee Emery's portrayal of a drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket is frightening.  Hint: He had a lot of the same philosophy as your forum IC and treated any private like crap that didn't agree.  Tried to force them in line, you see.  

 

Hint: It didn't work out so well for him.

Fun Fact: Did you know that R. Lee Ermey was not originally going to play the drill sergeant, but rather be a consultant for the film. The director thought he wasn't scary enough to portray the character, and Ermey literally went out there during a take and improvised the entire 40+ minutes he was in it, 20+ of that being dialogue not even on the script.

[EmissaryofLies]

R. Lee Ermey is a retired Marine D.I., which is why he was able to act so phenomenally in that particular role. I will not debate his methods or the USMC's methods as the results both short and long term speak for themselves.

I should not be up at this hour. The will to be confrontational and argumentative is diminishing.

[renfrees]

Tevinter is in need of additional troops to fight the Qunari. The only reason the Qunari haven´t overrun Tevinter is because the chantry would call for an exalted march if the Qunari would happen to appear at Orlais border.

Yes. As a slaves. Mage slaves can fight Qunari just as well, don't they?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tevinter is in need of additional troops to fight the Qunari. The only reason the Qunari haven´t overrun Tevinter is because the chantry would call for an exalted march if the Qunari would happen to appear at Orlais border.

I don't even think that is the reason the Qunari aren't on the offensive. I think it's more that the Qun does not demand the invasion of Tevinter. Fenris I believe says that when the Qunari are ready to invade, they simply will.

[renfrees]

I don't even think that is the reason the Qunari aren't on the offensive. I think it's more that the Qun does not demand the invasion of Tevinter. Fenris I believe says that when the Qunari are ready to invade, they simply will.

Fenris: The Qunari only ever wanted Seheron, which they have.

Fenris: The Imperium has made numerous attempts to retake the island, without real success.

Fenris: I believe the Qunari are saving their strength, building a massive fleet. When they wish true war, we will know.

Hawke: Are the Qunari that strong?

Fenris: They once fought all the lands of Thedas to a stand still. If they wanted to conquer the Imperium, they would.

Fenris: From what i saw on Seheron, they will not relent. They believe even more strongly than the magisters that they are in the right.

Modifié par renfrees, 08 mars 2014 - 11:54 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fenris: I believe the Qunari are saving their strength, building a massive fleet. When they wish true war, we will know.

Hawke: Are the Qunari that strong?

Fenris: They once fought all the lands of Thedas to a stand still. If they wanted to conquer the Imperium, they would.

Fenris: From what i saw on Seheron, they will not relent. They believe even more strongly than the magisters that they are in the right.

That's it. Thank you.

[Xilizhra]

So I have been going through DA:O again because my social life is so amazing I replay games I've beaten four times in my spare time.

 

 

Anyways for the first time I sided with the templars, but did not get the mages killed.  (Save Irving and tell Greagor that you can't risk blood mages getting out)

 

 

 

Why can't we get an option like this?  The templars don't come off as particularly blood thirsty, minus Cullen, and the mages get to not die if they aren't possessed.

Because that's not what Meredith wants. It's the same reason why you can't just walk away.

 

It's really easy to condemn both templars and mages after the events of DA2, and some of the events of Origins.  However, I'm still curious about what motivates the average Templar.  I used Cullen as an example earlier, but it doesn't have to be him.  The Templar character I'd like to see is not the zealot, not the abuser, but a person that is like a harder version of Sebastian.  Someone that believes in the Chant, believes in the Maker and always strives to never give into blind hate.  I picture s/he to be a capable fighter showing no mercy to an abomination, yet does not paint all mages with the same broad and bloody brush.  Someone that isn't afraid to use force and is quite good at it, but strives to use more of a gentler and diplomatic tactic than most of the Templars we've witnessed over the years.  Instead of either totally ignorant and blind (oh hai Kerras!) or completely loony. (oh, hai Alrik.   )

Your average templar is the demonstration of the truth behind the Milgram experiment: someone who's likely not inherently a bad person, but will commit atrocities if ordered to (also, the templars try to recruit zealots as much as possible). Also, any templar companions would almost certainly be deserters.

[Lulupab]

Fenris: The Qunari only ever wanted Seheron, which they have.

Fenris: The Imperium has made numerous attempts to retake the island, without real success.

Fenris: I believe the Qunari are saving their strength, building a massive fleet. When they wish true war, we will know.

Hawke: Are the Qunari that strong?

Fenris: They once fought all the lands of Thedas to a stand still. If they wanted to conquer the Imperium, they would.

Fenris: From what i saw on Seheron, they will not relent. They believe even more strongly than the magisters that they are in the right.

They did attack Tevinter and conquered every city except Minrathus. That caused Minrathus get to keep its reputation as oldest and unconquered city of Thedas.

[renfrees]

They did attack Tevinter and conquered every city except Minrathus. That caused Minrathus get to keep its reputation as oldest and unconquered city of Thedas.

That was reference to the current Qunari-Tevinter squabble, not the one prior to Exalted Marches.

[dzs Angel]

Yes. As a slaves. Mage slaves can fight Qunari just as well, don't they?

Every mage in Teventir is considered to be part of the aristocracy. If you´re born as mage, you are a noble. It´s as simple as that. Only elven mages are excluded from this rule. Those who are deemed worthy get to join the magisters. But the elven mages could still split from the revolutionary forces and join the dalish, if the mages had to retreat to Tevinter.

[renfrees]

Every mage in Teventir is considered to be part of the aristocracy. If you´re born as mage, you are a noble. It´s as simple as that. Only elven mages are excluded from this rule. Those who are deemed worthy get to join the magisters. But the elven mages could still split from the revolutionary forces and join the dalish, if the mages had to retreat to Tevinter.

Every citizen mage in Tevinter. Last i checked refugees weren't granted the rights. And considering Tevinter actively buying mage slaves, well...

[dzs Angel]

Every citizen mage in Tevinter. Last i checked refugees weren't granted the rights. And considering Tevinter actively buying mage slaves, well...

Tevinter faces an ungoing war on two fronts, the Qunari and Orlais. Both enemies won´t stop till Tevinter is destroyed. They just need the additional troops or they are doomed.

[Lulupab]

Well Minrathus never fell and its the oldest city in Thedas. Several thousand years of successful defense. You gotta give them credit.

 

Also Tevinter actually defeated Andrastians, it just lost the lands it conquered from them, the southern lands.

 

Yes tevinter is quite nationalist. Elven citizens are valued more than foreign mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Tevinter faces an ungoing war on two fronts, the Qunari and Orlais. Both enemies won´t stop till Tevinter is destroyed. They just need the additional troops or they are doomed.

Orlais and Tevinter ahvn't been at war for centuries. They don't even share a border anymore.

[TK514]

Tangent: I still want to see the massive golems the dwarves gave to Tevinter in action.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well Minrathus never fell and its the oldest city in Thedas. Several thousand years of successful defense. You gotta give them credit.

 

Also Tevinter actually defeated Andrastians, it just lost the lands it conquered from them, the southern lands.

 

Yes tevinter is quite nationalist. Elven citizens are valued more than foreign mages.

That doesn't sound like they won to me, then. If at the end of the day, they lost more than they gained, I think you can say they were defeated.

[LobselVith8]

Tangent: I still want to see the massive golems the dwarves gave to Tevinter in action.

The Juggernauts? I would like to see them, too.

[Lulupab]

That doesn't sound like they won to me, then. If at the end of the day, they lost more than they gained, I think you can say they were defeated.

 

Andrastians took back their land which makes them even with Tevinter however Tevinter won the military combat. Whether they were traitors or no it was irrelevant. Andrastians lost and Tevinter was too spent to attempt to recapture the lands, not to mention there was a bloody blight ravaging their land. After the blight came the Qunari. Giving no chance for them to take back the land. If the Qunari leave them alone the Tevinter is a force to be reckoned with.

 

I was merely speaking about might of Tevinter not the outcome. Whole southern nations defeated in military war. It says something. I was nottalking about who gained more. You should consider the blight too, it really weakened the Tevinter.

[dzs Angel]

Orlais and Tevinter ahvn't been at war for centuries. They don't even share a border anymore.

They share a border. And a cold war is still a war. Espicially if your enemy would jump at any chance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Andrastians took back their land which makes them even with Tevinter however Tevinter won the military combat. Whether they were traitors or no it was irrelevant. Andrastians lost and Tevinter was too spent to attempt to recapture the lands, not to mention there was a bloody blight ravaging their land. After the blight came the Qunari. Giving no chance for them to take back the land. If the Qunari leave them alone the Tevinter is a force to be reckoned with.

There's more to winning a war than winning in battles. To use an example, the Vietnam War. America won 100% of the military engagements, yet lost the war.

 

I take it you are a fan of the Tevinter Inperium? If so, may I ask why?