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[The Elder King]

Andrastians took back their land which makes them even with Tevinter however Tevinter won the military combat. Whether they were traitors or no it was irrelevant. Andrastians lost and Tevinter was too spent to attempt to recapture the lands, not to mention there was a bloody blight ravaging their land. After the blight came the Qunari. Giving no chance for them to take back the land. If the Qunari leave them alone the Tevinter is a force to be reckoned with.

I was merely speaking about might of Tevinter not the outcome. Whole southern nations defeated in military war. It says something. I was nottalking about who gained more. You should consider the blight too, it really weakened the Tevinter.

You should check the timeline. The first Blight was before Andraste's Rebellion (though Tevinter was recovering from it). The Qunari arrived 600 years after the formation of the Chantry. Tevinter had plently of time to reconquer their former territories.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You should check the timeline. The Blight was before Andraste's Rebellion (though Tevinter was recovering from it). The Qunari arrived 600 years after the formation of the Chantry. Tevinter had plently of time to reconquer their former territories.

This too. It's not like they all happened one after the other. If they did, I think so much bloodshed in so little time would have sundered the Veil.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Fenris: The Qunari only ever wanted Seheron, which they have.

Fenris: The Imperium has made numerous attempts to retake the island, without real success.

Fenris: I believe the Qunari are saving their strength, building a massive fleet. When they wish true war, we will know.

Hawke: Are the Qunari that strong?

Fenris: They once fought all the lands of Thedas to a stand still. If they wanted to conquer the Imperium, they would.

Fenris: From what i saw on Seheron, they will not relent. They believe even more strongly than the magisters that they are in the right.

 

I have a hard time believing Tevinter can lose to the Qunari or any groups with less blood mages than them.

 

Let's say they broke the truce and went to war again. One lone blood mage could sneak into the Qunari camp and blood puppet a perimeter guard. Then intruct him to bring another guard. When a good number of guards are now thralls they can then be intructed to assassinate the commander. Or this ninja mage could simply have a bunch of thralls start attacking other soldiers or even simpler yet, summon a crap load of demons and tear the Veil. Let the demons fight for you. Now if there were a larger group of these dirty fighting mages or better yet an army, I fail to see how they can be defeated.

 

Even in open combat they can blood sacrifice a bunch of enemy soldiers to power a strong blood puppet spell to force the enemy to fight amongst themselves. How do you combat let alone defeat an enemy with blood magic Professor Xavier powers without possessing similar powers yourself? Qunari mages are the weakest in Thedas and can't hold a candle to the kind of crap mages from a centuries old empire of blood magic can pull off and they'd be out numbered anyway. Qunari power is way overrated IMO. Especially when it comes to magical defense. >_>

 

 

 

 

I mistakenly typed my post in the quote box. *sigh*

[Divine Justinia V]

I take it you are a fan of the Tevinter Inperium? If so, may I ask why?

 

ooooooo I love Tevinter

It's definitely a place I'd be interested in visiting.

 

 

Tangent: I still want to see the massive golems the dwarves gave to Tevinter in action.

 

So do I!

[Lulupab]

There's more to winning a war than winning in battles. To use an example, the Vietnam War. America won 100% of the military engagements, yet lost the war.
 
I take it you are a fan of the Tevinter Inperium? If so, may I ask why?

 
I admire them, I'm not a fan. The whole word rose up against them and they survived and won the military war. They survived the biggest blight of history. More importantly they are fighting Qunari while rest of Thedas is destroying itself. I F'ing hate the Qunari. They should allow us to tear their horns apart and stab them with it. They resemble Roman Empire which I also admire. If Tevinter didn't had Slavery I'd worship them. Its their only problem in my opinion.
 

You should check the timeline. The first Blight was before Andraste's Rebellion (though Tevinter was recovering from it). The Qunari arrived 600 years after the formation of the Chantry. Tevinter had plently of time to reconquer their former territories.

Even so it was the biggest blight of history. You don't recover from that easily. Its lasted for 250 years for heavens sake. Remember what happened to Ferelden in 1 year? It last 250 years for Tevinter. Also Tevinter was spent too cause of all the constant war and because of so many death I doubt they needed to start another war or needed more land. Besides they did not lose an inch of their original territory, only the conquered lands were lost.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have a hard time believing Tevinter can lose to the Qunari or any groups with less blood mages than them.

 

Let's say they broke the truce and went to war again. One lone blood mage could sneak into the Qunari camp and blood puppet a perimeter guard. Then intruct him to bring another guard. When a good number of guards are now thralls they can then be intructed to assassinate the commander. Or this ninja mage could simply have a bunch of thralls start attacking other soldiers or even simpler yet, summon a crap load of demons and tear the Veil. Let the demons fight for you. Now if there were a larger group of these dirty fighting mages or better yet an army, I fail to see how they can be defeated.

 

Even in open combat they can blood sacrifice a bunch of enemy soldiers to power a strong blood puppet spell to force the enemy to fight amongst themselves. How do you combat let alone defeat an enemy with blood magic Professor Xavier powers without possessing similar powers yourself? Qunari mages are the weakest in Thedas and can't hold a candle to the kind of crap mages from a centuries old empire of blood magic can pull off and they'd be out numbered anyway. Qunari power is way overrated IMO. Especially when it comes to magical defense. >_>

Only problem is that Tevinter had this power the last time the two fought, yet were nearly destroyed by the Qunari and were only saved via an Exalted March. So without the other nations backing them, I think Tevinter's fate is all but sealed unless something happens.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ooooooo I love Tevinter

It's definitely a place I'd be interested in visiting.

I don't love it, in fact pretty much hate it, but I agree it will be an interesting place to go.

 

 

 I admire them, I'm not a fan. The whole word rose up against them and they survived and won the military war. They survived the biggest blight of history. More importantly they are fighting Qunari while rest of Thedas is destroying itself. I F'ing hate the Qunari. They should allow us to tear their horns apart and stab them with it. They resemble Roman Empire which I also admire. If Tevinter didn't had Slavery I'd worship them. Its their only problem in my opinion.

 

Survived =/= won. 

[The Elder King]

Even so it was the biggest blight of history. You don't recover from that easily. Its lasted for 250 years for heavens sake. Remember what happened to Ferelden in 1 year? It last 250 years for Tevinter. Also Tevinter was spent too cause of all the constant war and because of so many death I doubt they needed to start another war or needed more land. Besides they did not lose an inch of their original territory, only the conquered lands were lost.

I'm not contesting that they suffered a lot from the Blight (though I doubt they took 600 years to recover), I was just disputing your claim that they suffered a series of wars without a break.

[The Elder King]

Oh, and I agree with Hanako. They didn't win against the rest of the world. They survived.

[Lulupab]

Only problem is that Tevinter had this power the last time the two fought, yet were nearly destroyed by the Qunari and were only saved via an Exalted March. So without the other nations backing them, I think Tevinter's fate is all but sealed unless something happens.

 

Well we don't exactly know what happened. All we know is the Qunari could not conquer Minrathus.

 

I don't love it, in fact pretty much hate it, but I agree it will be an interesting place to go.

 

 

 

Survived =/= won. 

 

No nation has accomplished half the things Tevinter has. There is no record of any civil war in Tevinter, they are united as hell. Civil wars are quite common in other places specially Orlais. Slavery is allowed among nobles too which makes them utter hypocrites. Ferelden's existence is in opposition to Orlais; their nationalism is defined in opposition to Orlesian norms. So Orlais decided it will be fun to invade right? Everyone must become like Orlais. How is that any different than tevinter? Wearing fancy dresses does not make you any less power hungry.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well we don't exactly know what happened. All we know is the Qunari could not conquer Minrathus.

 

 

No nation has accomplished half the things Tevinter has. There is no record of any civil war in Tevinter, they are united as hell. Civil wars are quite common in other places specially Orlais. Slavery is allowed among nobles too which makes them utter hypocrites. Ferelden's existence is in opposition to Orlais; their nationalism is defined in opposition to Orlesian norms. So Orlais decided it will be fun to invade right? Everyone must become like Orlais. How is that any different than tevinter? Wearing fancy dresses does not make you any less power hungry.

 

I agree, a lot of nations persecute Tevinter for slavery when they're just as guilty except it's more "hush hush".

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know what war you think they won. Andraste Exalted March seemed to win every major battle (Valerian Fields are right outside Minrathous' doorstep) before Maferath betrayed Andraste. That was what caused her army to disperse and cease their assault on the Imperium. And in the Chantry's Exalted March they "won" because they fought on their own territory and survived.

 

Well we don't exactly know what happened. All we know is the Qunari could not conquer Minrathus.

 

 

No nation has accomplished half the things Tevinter has. There is no record of any civil war in Tevinter, they are united as hell. Civil wars are quite common in other places specially Orlais. Slavery is allowed among nobles too which makes them utter hypocrites. Ferelden's existence is in opposition to Orlais; their nationalism is defined in opposition to Orlesian norms. So Orlais decided it will be fun to invade right? Everyone must become like Orlais. How is that any different than tevinter? Wearing fancy dresses does not make you any less power hungry.

 

This is false. There was a civil war in Tevinter's history. It was during the the height of their power before the First Blight and lasted 72 years. Secondly power struggles are much more common in Tevinter than anywhere else. Fenris describes rivals magisters' forces openly attacking eachother for slaves. Both Feynriel and a codex entry in World of Thedas describe magisters openly fighting and killing eachothers in duels. Fenris also describes Magisters turning defeated enemies into slaves. If anything Tevinter is one of the least united places in Thedas, at last in Orlais the power struggles have "rules" that the nobles have to abide by to get ahead in "the Game".

 

During the Qunari Wars, the Qunari conquered every major city in the Imperium except Minrathous which just suffered a 50 year siege. After those 50 years, a rebellion managed to free most of Tevinter except Qarinius and Seheron. They needed help from an Exalted March to drive the Qunari out of the rest of Thedas. That's pretty explictly described in the codex entries and Wot's timeline.

 

 

I agree, a lot of nations persecute Tevinter for slavery when they're just as guilty except it's more "hush hush".

 

There is no nation that is just as guilty as Tevinter when it comes to slavery.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Only problem is that Tevinter had this power the last time the two fought, yet were nearly destroyed by the Qunari and were only saved via an Exalted March. So without the other nations backing them, I think Tevinter's fate is all but sealed unless something happens.

 

 

I know what the history says but what i'm saying is that it doesn't make any sense because of how powerful blood magic is. How exactly can anyone stand against that kind of power and win? It powers up regular spells, has brutally powerful spells of it's own, enables mind control, summons demons, and has a virtually unlimited power source. I continuously fail to see how people with power like that can lose to anyone.

[The Elder King]

Well we don't exactly know what happened. All we know is the Qunari could not conquer Minrathus.
 

 
No nation has accomplished half the things Tevinter has. There is no record of any civil war in Tevinter, they are united as hell. Civil wars are quite common in other places specially Orlais. Slavery is allowed among nobles too which makes them utter hypocrites. Ferelden's existence is in opposition to Orlais; their nationalism is defined in opposition to Orlesian norms. So Orlais decided it will be fun to invade right? Everyone must become like Orlais. How is that any different than tevinter? Wearing fancy dresses does not make you any less power hungry.

First of, not liking Tevinter doesn't mean a person like Orlais.
Second, how is your post related to Hanako not liking Tevinter?
And third, there was a civil war in Tevitner (as a poster mentioned), and the country had countless slaves rebellions.

[Lulupab]

I don't know what war you think they won. Andraste Exalted March seemed to win every major battle (Valerian Fields are right outside Minrathous' doorstep) before Maferath betrayed Andraste. That was what caused her army to disperse and cease their assault on the Imperium. And in the Chantry's Exalted March they "won" because they fought on their own territory and survived.
 
 
This is false. There was a civil war in Tevinter's history. It was during the the height of their power before the First Blight and lasted 72 years.

 
Wasn't that about the first Magister who somehow learned blood magic and converted the whole nation to use it? I was mainly talking about after that. Because introduction of blood magic is a worthy cause for civil war. In Orlais wearing pink may cause a civil war.
 

First of, not liking Tevinter doesn't mean a person like Orlais.
Second, how is your post related to Hanako not liking Tevinter?
And third, there was a civil war in Tevitner (as a poster mentioned), and the country had countless slaves rebellions.

So you hate all of Thedas then? He hates Tevinter because its different than other nations in many ways. I merely pointed out its not

Explained above. Slave rebellions are different than civil wars that is aimed that changing regime. Not merely gaining freedom.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well we don't exactly know what happened. All we know is the Qunari could not conquer Minrathus.

 

 

No nation has accomplished half the things Tevinter has. There is no record of any civil war in Tevinter, they are united as hell. Civil wars are quite common in other places specially Orlais. Slavery is allowed among nobles too which makes them utter hypocrites. Ferelden's existence is in opposition to Orlais; their nationalism is defined in opposition to Orlesian norms. So Orlais decided it will be fun to invade right? Everyone must become like Orlais. How is that any different than tevinter? Wearing fancy dresses does not make you any less power hungry.

Could not or never had enough of a chance? As you said, we don't exactly know what happened except the end results. 

 

That is true. No other nation has released a Darkspawn race on the world.

 

Fenris: "Uprising occur all the time, actually." Unless you aren't counting slave revolts as civil wars even though they fit the description?

 

And sorry, any country that endorses slavery and human sacrifice is not going to garner any love from me. Though to be fair, I don't like Orlais either.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know what the history says but what i'm saying is that it doesn't make any sense because of how powerful blood magic is. How exactly can anyone stand against that kind of power and win? It powers up regular spells, has brutally powerful spells of it's own, enables mind control, summons demons, and has a virtually unlimited power source. I continuously fail to see how people with power like that can lose to anyone.

Because even blood magic has limits. And Qunari strength, numbers, and technological advancement just happen to overcome those limits giving them the edge. Even the most powerful blood mage is not impervious to gunpowder or poison gas.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

 
Wasn't that about the first Magister who somehow learned blood magic and converted the whole nation to use it? I was mainly talking about after that. Because introduction of blood magic is a worthy cause for civil war. In Orlais wearing pink may cause a civil war.

 

No I'm not talking about Thalsian. That was before there even was an Imperium. There wasn't any recorded war during his day anyway.

 

World of Thedas' timeline says in -692 Ancient the Archon was assassinated and civil war broke out in the Imperium. Three entries later it says "The Civil War in Tevinter ends with ARchon Parthenius claiming the throne" in - 620 Ancient.

 

Also if you're claiming fashion can cause an actual war to break out in Orlais, you're going to need to give a real example.

[The Elder King]

So you hate all of Thedas then? He hates Tevinter because its different than other nations in many ways. I merely pointed out its not
Explained above. Slave rebellions are different than civil wars that is aimed that changing regime. Not merely gaining freedom.

Where did I stated I hate Tevinter? And even if I hate Tevinter or Orlais, how does this equate 'all of Thedas'?
Your post implied that Tevinter was a place with non conflict, and i show it's not true. I can talk about the costant struggle between magisters for power if you want.

[Lulupab]

Could not or never had enough of a chance? As you said, we don't exactly know what happened except the end results. 

 

That is true. No other nation has released a Darkspawn race on the world.

 

Fenris: "Uprising occur all the time, actually." Unless you aren't counting slave revolts as civil wars even though they fit the description?

 

And sorry, any country that endorses slavery and human sacrifice is not going to garner any love from me. Though to be fair, I don't like Orlais either.

 

Assuming Chantry propaganda is true. Black city is one of the most things I'm intrigued about. How did a few magisters unleashed unlimited amounts of Darkspawn into world by just entering it? Are the darkspawn magically created? Or are they the dead came back to life? It could be chantry lie for all we know.

 

Slave revolt is a war but its not a civil war. They revolt and if successful they escape. They don't change regime.

 

I was merely pointing out Tevinter is not so different than Orlais, A place that hide its evil behind pretty clothes and fancy parties.

[Lulupab]

Where did I stated I hate Tevinter? And even if I hate Tevinter or Orlais, how does this equate 'all of Thedas'?
Your post implied that Tevinter was a place with non conflict, and i show it's not true. I can talk about the costant struggle between magisters for power if you want.

 

I interpreted that you hate tevinter, my mistake. Well to be honest my real point was Tevinter is not so different than Orlais. Magisters fight for power and Nobles fight for power in Orlais. Its just "prettier" in Orlais. Nobles of Orlais use poisoned cheese to kill for example. Magister brutally murder with blood magic. Murder is murder.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Assuming Chantry propaganda is true. Black city is one of the most things I'm intrigued about. How did a few magisters unleashed unlimited amounts of Darkspawn into world by just entering it? Are the darkspawn magically created? Or are they the dead came back to life? It could be chantry lie for all we know.

 

Slave revolt is a war but its not a civil war. They revolt and if successful they escape. They don't change regime.

 

I was merely pointing out Tevinter is not so different than Orlais, A place that hide its evil behind pretty clothes and fancy parties.

With Legacy DLC having us meet Corypheus, I admit it seems to at least partially be true. The Darkspawn thing was a joke on your "no nation has done half of what Tevinter did", hence the face.

 

Umm, I think toppling slavery is a regime changer. Especially since by several accounts Tevinter is only as powerful as it is today because of the extensive slavery. If the slaves won freedom, Tevinter would be changed, hence it fits your definition. 

 

And true, and as I said I don't like Orlais for endorsing slavery as well.

[Divine Justinia V]

Assuming Chantry propaganda is true. Black city is one of the most things I'm intrigued about. How did a few magisters unleashed unlimited amounts of Darkspawn into world by just entering it? Are the darkspawn magically created? Or are they the dead came back to life? It could be chantry lie for all we know.

 

Slave revolt is a war but its not a civil war. They revolt and if successful they escape. They don't change regime.

 

I was merely pointing out Tevinter is not so different than Orlais, A place that hide its evil behind pretty clothes and fancy parties.

 

The city was already black though so at least we know that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

He doesn't say the city was already black.

[Divine Justinia V]

He doesn't say the city was already black.

 

Corypheus most certainly does, considering he was more than likely one of the original Magisters, I'm inclined to believe him.