Well, the Qunari also have the Qamek, a poison gas that turns enemies against each other.
If the Qunari have it then guess what? Tevinter has it too because you know, MIND CONTROL.
In other words, Tevinter mages can enthrall Qunari soldiers and have them use that poison gas on each other. /War.
Lol...wat. If that's the case, I could justify setting a family's house on fire with them and their kids inside because they annoy me.
Well of course you can just count on that not everyone will take that justification same with templars...
Andraste's Exalted March is not the only time that the Imperium surrendered territory. Even after Maferath made peace with Hesserion, rebellion in the East and South of the Imperium resulted in them loosing provinces to what would later become Rivain and the Free Marches. And before that the Anderfels rebelled and declared itself independent for over 150 years.
The fear templars have of blood mages has never been that they are unstoppable, just that they are destructive.
If the Qunari have it then guess what? Tevinter has it too because you know, MIND CONTROL.
In other words, Tevinter mages can enthrall Qunari soldiers and have them use that poison gas on each other. /War.
Sar-qamek doesn't affect Qunari.
What I delude myself into thinking is proper is not necessarily the same as being justified.
They must've had blood mages with them. Makes no sense otherwise. None whatsoever.
Or you know they could have just picked the best possible time to launch an invasion of the Southern Imperium.
After a Blight and all.
Still according to codex entries and WOT the Imperium still maintained the largest army in the world at this time, how it was undone if the mages were all powerful? Numbers? Proper timing of the invasion? Magical assistance on their own end? Either way it ultimately doesn't matter because its history.
The Imperium was broken in that war and its been a dying thing ever since.
The chantry itself says maker himself aided them in war. It made Tevinter crops to die and they starved. The land scorched and burned etc...
So no.
We could speculate it was the blight because you know its a BLIGHT.
It was after a blight but still Tveinter maintained the largest military force in history by that point, It was overcome none the less, Perhaps it was Divine intervention, perhaps it was magic.
It doesn't matter.
The Imperium lost either way.
If the Qunari have it then guess what? Tevinter has it too because you know, MIND CONTROL.
In other words, Tevinter mages can enthrall Qunari soldiers and have them use that poison gas on each other. /War.
And yet that didn't happen during the Qunari mainland invasion of the Teveinter Imperium.
All but the capital was seized after all.
What I delude myself into thinking is proper is not necessarily the same as being justified.
1 person will think that killing 1000 peoples for "greater good" is justified another don't.
Some think that templars are justified other don't everything can be justification just not everyone will take that...
What is intersting because i don't recall templars causing blight?
But you do recall the templar oder enlisting religious zealots and psychopath. And someone willing to grab power for himself, should be able to see the benefit in depriving Orlais of its (obvious) second army. If I recall correctly, you mentioned in a former thread : I would use the templars and get rid of them, once they stop being useful
Or you know they could have just picked the best possible time to launch an invasion of the Southern Imperium.
After a Blight and all.
Still according to codex entries and WOT the Imperium still maintained the largest army in the world at this time, how it was undone if the mages were all powerful? Numbers? Proper timing of the invasion? Magical assistance on their own end? Either way it ultimately doesn't matter because its history.
The Imperium was broken in that war and its been a dying thing ever since.
It was after a blight but still Tveinter maintained the largest military force in history by that point, It was overcome none the less, Perhaps it was Divine intervention, perhaps it was magic.
It doesn't matter.
The Imperium lost either way.
The Imperium did not lost an inch of its Original territory only the lands they conquered was lost. The Andrastian army was destroyed and scattered and Tevinter lived to see another day. Hardly a "lost". Also when I say Andrastian I mean almost the whole world. The whole world combined could not wipe out Tevinter in its weakest state during that age.
Also how do you think Minrathus got its reputation as the oldest and unconquered city of Thedas?
And yet that didn't happen during the Qunari mainland invasion of the Teveinter Imperium.
All but the capital was seized after all.
I'm not saying Tevinter didn't get rocked. I'm saying it just doesn't make sense considering how powerful a centuries old nation of blood mages should be.
Does it make sense to you?
But you do recall the templar oder enlisting religious zealots and psychopath. And someone willing to grab power for himself, should be able to see the benefit in depriving Orlais of its (obvious) second army. If I recall correctly, you mentioned in a former thread : I would use the templars and get rid of them, once they stop being useful
Such peoples always will be memers of society like it or not but they are danger mostly on individual level... anyway orlais being power hungry and other countries in our world or in anothers aren't anything new but they won't destroy world like mages did.
About templars i was saying about red templars i would use them send them fight demons and mages then kill them because they are unstable like mages assuming that they were sane and stable enough to deal with them securely...
The Imperium did not lost an inch of its Original territory only the lands they conquered was lost. The Andrastian army was destroyed and scattered and Tevinter lived to see another day. Hardly a "lost". Also when I say Andrastian I mean almost the whole world. The whole world combined could not wipe out Tevinter in its weakest state during that age.
Also how do you think Minrathus got its reputation as the oldest and unconquered city of Thedas?
Nowhere does it say this. Maferath's barbarian horde dispersed because their leader was captured and executed and their other leader made peace with the Imperium. There was never a battle where the Imperium defeated their enemies in the field. They were losing at the time of Maferath's betrayal of Andraste.
I'm not saying Tevinter didn't get rocked. I'm saying it just doesn't make sense considering how powerful a centuries old nation of blood mages should be.
Does it make sense to you?
You overestimate the strength of blood mages. And of a the then slowly decaying Imperium.
The Imperium did not lost an inch of its Original territory only the lands they conquered was lost. The Andrastian army was destroyed and scattered and Tevinter lived to see another day. Hardly a "lost". Also when I say Andrastian I mean almost the whole world. The whole world combined could not wipe out Tevinter in its weakest state during that age.
Also how do you think Minrathus got its reputation as the oldest and unconquered city of Thedas?
Because it didn't fall, But that doesn't magically relegate the fact the Tribes and Clans got to its Gates, You can say that all the Imperium lost was the lands it conquered (80% or so of the known world) But when you are besieged and then sue for peace what does that message indicate besides a willingness to forgo hostilities for peace?
And Hardly it was a collection of the hill tribesmen of Fereldan and the Clans the War Chief could gather, it was a collection of forces far smaller then the one Tveinter set against them, As i said they maintained the largest military in the world by this point, Blight or no if it was merely a war of numbers, This little invasion wouldn't have achieved what dozens if not more failed to achieve.
The Imperium's borders being set for the reminder of time, Their Borders have not grown from that war til the dragon age, does that not indicate anything to you?
1 person will think that killing 1000 peoples for "greater good" is justified another don't.
Some think that templars are justified other don't everything can be justification just not everyone will take that...
Sure, but I'm addressing specifically the statement that something as simple as "I don't like this" serves as good justification. I guess this really depends on what that is, like killing a man because I hate his sideburns, or killing him and all his friends because he cheated me in a card game. In the case of the templars, the innate abilities of mages makes it clear why people fear them and why the order exists, and why some templars take more extreme positions on what to do with them, but that goes far beyond a simple "I don't like mages". I don't like Ken Ham, but I wouldn't gun him down in the street to spare everyone his insufferable rambling.
I'm not saying Tevinter didn't get rocked. I'm saying it just doesn't make sense considering how powerful a centuries old nation of blood mages should be.
Does it make sense to you?
It makes perfect sense considering by the time of Invasion, it had just suffered its third incursion into a blight, This was a century beforehand but how many can you withstand when you are an insular society? No one really cares for the Imperium, no one really works for it besides their own gain, They don't have allies in the rest of Thedas to aid with the rebuilding process.
I'd not be surprised that they were still reeling from the Fourth Blight by the time of the Qunari Wars.
Well, the Fourth Blight didn't hit the Imperium that hard and the Qunari Wars happened over a hundred years later. I'm not sure how much it affected their readiness when the Qunari invaded.
Sure, but I'm addressing specifically the statement that something as simple as "I don't like this" serves as good justification. I guess this really depends on what that is, like killing a man because I hate his sideburns, or killing him and all his friends because he cheated me in a card game. In the case of the templars, the innate abilities of mages makes it clear why people fear them and why the order exists, and why some templars take more extreme positions on what to do with them, but that goes far beyond a simple "I don't like mages". I don't like Ken Ham, but I wouldn't gun him down in the street to spare everyone his insufferable rambling.
What is good what is bad depends on the person now someone ask question why did you killed him "because i didn't liked him" not many will take that but it is fair response but when you asnwer "i did that for my country" it is justification as well some will take that others not...
Their justification protect world like it or not mages proved more than once that they are dangerous for everyone in it so it isn't baseless even if they do bad job because they let chantry morality block them from taking more effective solution.
Nowhere does it say this. Maferath's barbarian horde dispersed because their leader was captured and executed and their leader made peace with the Imperium. There was never a battle where the Imperium defeated their enemies in the field. They were losing at the time of Maferath's betrayal of Andraste.
You overestimate the strength of blood mages. And of a the then slowly decaying Imperium.
"Their vulnerabilities exposed to the world, the severely weakened Imperium suffered the first Exalted Marches by the escaped slave Andraste and her husband Maferath who brought a barbarian army from Ferelden north to destroy the empire in 1020 TE. Slave revolts by elves enamored of Andraste's campaign exploded in cities everywhere, compounding the threat of the encroaching Fereldan armies. Finally the rebellion was put down and Andraste was publicly executed with her generals four years later"
From Dragon Age: Origins: Prima Official Game Guide Book:
http://dragonage.wik...cial_Game_Guide
Because it didn't fall, But that doesn't magically relegate the fact the Tribes and Clans got to its Gates, You can say that all the Imperium lost was the lands it conquered (80% or so of the known world) But when you are besieged and then sue for peace what does that message indicate besides a willingness to forgo hostilities for peace?
And Hardly it was a collection of the hill tribesmen of Fereldan and the Clans the War Chief could gather, it was a collection of forces far smaller then the one Tveinter set against them, As i said they maintained the largest military in the world by this point, Blight or no if it was merely a war of numbers, This little invasion wouldn't have achieved what dozens if not more failed to achieve.
The Imperium's borders being set for the reminder of time, Their Borders have not grown from that war til the dragon age, does that not indicate anything to you?
War ended on 1035 TE. In 1050-1120 TE, Rivain's war for independence from the Imperium begins, and distracts the Empire from reconquering the Free Marches.
With the founding of the Chantry in 1195 TE Southern Tevinter Imperium converted to Chantry. This is kinda related to real life event Roman Empire and Byzantine empire splitting.
There was other blights.
Then came the Qunari.
You see problem after problem.
Such peoples always will be memers of society like it or not but they are danger mostly on individual level... anyway orlais being power hungry and other countries in our world or in anothers aren't anything new but they won't destroy world like mages did.
About templars i was saying about red templars i would use them send them fight demons and mages then kill them because they are unstable like mages assuming that they were sane and stable enough to deal with them securely...
I recall uprisings(revolutions) getting rid of these people pretty fast. The french, chinese and russian for example. I believe it is time for something like this in thedas.
Well, the Fourth Blight didn't hit the Imperium that hard and the Qunari Wars happened over a hundred years later. I'm not sure how much it affected their readiness when the Qunari invaded.
Not as hard as elsewhere, like Antiva i agree i'd just point out that could be a reason why their efforts were delayed somewhat.
Maintaining a large military is especially difficult while you are rebuilding damage to a Nation, perhaps it was shrunken to make it more affordable and thus their weakness, indirect or no i'd say the Blight was one of the causes of the weakness, Considering how many Blights can a single society take before it just crumbles?
TKS, reading your posts this comes to mind:
I recall uprisings(revolutions) getting rid of these people pretty fast. The french, chinese and russian for example. I believe it is time for something like this in thedas.
Yeah one power hungry nutcakes replace another power hungry nutcakes that how revolution works mostly... it was in case 1000 years ago and it is in case today...
TKS, reading your posts this comes to mind:
My favorite alignment in d&d 
@Lulupab: between those wars there were centuries, and one/two Blight didn't touch the Imperium. They had the time to recover.
That depends on definition of "recovering" and strength of your enemies. Its not enough time to recover to face southern half of the world. With all that death they at least need ten full generations to recover the numbers alone.
"Their vulnerabilities exposed to the world, the severely weakened Imperium suffered the first Exalted Marches by the escaped slave Andraste and her husband Maferath who brought a barbarian army from Ferelden north to destroy the empire in 1020 TE. Slave revolts by elves enamored of Andraste's campaign exploded in cities everywhere, compounding the threat of the encroaching Fereldan armies. Finally the rebellion was put down and Andraste was publicly executed with her generals four years later"
From Dragon Age: Origins: Prima Official Game Guide Book:
http://dragonage.wik...cial_Game_Guide
So you would take an entry written by an Author with no connection to Bioware over what is written in game by the folks who developed the lore?
Is there anything to maintain it as accurate? After all many of DAO's codex's are now considered errored and having flawed if not outright incorrect perspectives on events.
Also provide a page number when you are listing off sources, I'd be glad to look over my own copy and see if that passage is within.
Point being that little paragraph doesn't mean much to me until its confirmed to actually exist for one and to be accurate.
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