That depends on definition of "recovering" and strength of your enemies. Its not enough time to recover to face southern half of the world. With all that death they at least need ten full generations to recover the numbers alone.
Again the Tribes of Fereldan and Elven Slaves weren't "The Southern Half of the world".
It makes perfect sense considering by the time of Invasion, it had just suffered its third incursion into a blight, This was a century beforehand but how many can you withstand when you are an insular society? No one really cares for the Imperium, no one really works for it besides their own gain, They don't have allies in the rest of Thedas to aid with the rebuilding process.
I'd not be surprised that they were still reeling from the Fourth Blight by the time of the Qunari Wars.
It makes sense that outside forces like famine and disease considerably weakened Tevinter and engaging in an all out war with a formidable opponent would not end well. Mages gotta eat too. But then it's not Qunari strength that is kicking their butt is it? Yet that's what I feel i'm being presented with.
If given time to recover and regain power I daresay no one nation could stand against them. If they were smart they'd enthrall the leaders of their neighboring countries and slowly but surely rule the world from the shadows. Oh the possibilities!
It makes sense that outside forces like famine and disease considerably weakened Tevinter and engaging in an all out war with a formidable opponent would not end well. Mages gotta eat too. But then it's not Qunari strength that is kicking their butt is it? Yet that's what I feel i'm being presented with.
If given time to recover and regain power I daresay no one nation could stand against them. If they were smart they'd enthrall the leaders of their neighboring countries and slowly but surely rule the world from the shadows. Oh the possibilities!
Yes and random Tveinter mages would be allowed near National Monarchies why exactly? People don't Like or Trust the Imperium remember?
And the Imperium doesn't have the infastructure anymore to support a continental Empire, they couldn't even handle a few barbarian hordes back when they had the largest army in history, you expect me to believe that weakened as they are now they could roll over Nevarra before Orlais stirred? While they are still fighting the Qunari over Sehron thus leaving their back flank exposed to a possible assault by the Oxmen?
And The Qunari are slowly killing the Imperium yes...Don't know exactly how i feel about that, don't like either faction.
"Their vulnerabilities exposed to the world, the severely weakened Imperium suffered the first Exalted Marches by the escaped slave Andraste and her husband Maferath who brought a barbarian army from Ferelden north to destroy the empire in 1020 TE. Slave revolts by elves enamored of Andraste's campaign exploded in cities everywhere, compounding the threat of the encroaching Fereldan armies. Finally the rebellion was put down and Andraste was publicly executed with her generals four years later"
From Dragon Age: Origins: Prima Official Game Guide Book:
http://dragonage.wik...cial_Game_Guide
The Prima Guide is old lore. That's not how the in game codexes or World of Thedas describes it happening. Both say Maferath gave Hesserion Andraste and they agreed to a truce. One of the codex entries in in DAO even describes Maferath bringing his armies to the gates of Minrathous to watch her execution.
"At last, the armies of Andraste and Maferath stood before the very gates of Minrathous, but Andraste was not with them.
For Maferath had schemed in secret to hand Andraste over to the Tevinter. For this, the archon would give Maferath all the lands to the south of the Waking Sea.
And so, before all the armies of the Alamarri and of Tevinter, Andraste was tied to a stake and burned while her earthly husband turned his armies aside and did nothing, for his heart had been devoured."
So you would take an entry written by an Author with no connection to Bioware over what is written in game by the folks who developed the lore?
Is there anything to maintain it as accurate? After all many of DAO's codex's are now considered errored and having flawed if not outright incorrect perspectives on events.
Also provide a page number when you are listing off sources, I'd be glad to look over my own copy and see if that passage is within.
Point being that little paragraph doesn't mean much to me until its confirmed to actually exist for one and to be accurate.
Except almost all the information we have about DA places that are not explored in the games comes from that book. Information about Rivain, Tevinter, etc...
Not to mention its quite official. Unless Bioware comes and denies it whatever that books says is pure truth. I don't remember the page as I no longer have the book. Not that I need it anyway, Wiki has copy pasted that book and made reference whenever it did. Besides no where in game its says the Rebellion did not got defeated eventually. Don't you see? Andraste is an Spartacus, she weakens the empire, she has trusted generals, she never gets to fully defeat the empire but free as much as people as possible, somehow she defeats stronger armies and she dies just like him and like him she was a former slave. Its a brilliant example.
Again the Tribes of Fereldan and Elven Slaves weren't "The Southern Half of the world".
I meant after the war. They had to face the southern countries, all of them, if they wanted to start a war.
The Prima Guide is old lore. That's not how the in game codexes or World of Thedas describes it happening. Both say Maferath gave Hesserion Andraste and they agreed to a truce. One of the codex entries in in DAO even describes Maferath bringing his armies to the gates of Minrathous to watch her execution.
"At last, the armies of Andraste and Maferath stood before the very gates of Minrathous, but Andraste was not with them.
For Maferath had schemed in secret to hand Andraste over to the Tevinter. For this, the archon would give Maferath all the lands to the south of the Waking Sea.
And so, before all the armies of the Alamarri and of Tevinter, Andraste was tied to a stake and burned while her earthly husband turned his armies aside and did nothing, for his heart had been devoured."
I'm gonna need a link because I'm a hardcore codex reader and I remember no such thing, maybe I missed it. Also its quite possible both sides agreed to a truce after suffering very heavy losses hence the "put down" part is correct then.
The Prima Guide is old lore. That's not how the in game codexes or World of Thedas describes it happening. Both say Maferath gave Hesserion Andraste and they agreed to a truce. One of the codex entries in in DAO even describes Maferath bringing his armies to the gates of Minrathous to watch her execution.
Pretty much my point, Older Lore if it contradicts newer stuff is relegated to not accurate, got to love God Canon.
Their justification protect world like it or not mages proved more than once that they are dangerous for everyone in it so it isn't baseless even if they do bad job because they let chantry morality block them from taking more effective solution.
Given what we know about the existence of mages, the goal of protecting the world seems grossly incongruous to a plan that involves slaughtering people and their families for all time.
Given what we know about the existence of mages, the goal of protecting the world seems grossly incongruous to a plan that involves slaughtering people and their families for all time.
He just admitted to being chaotic evil. I hope you realize that means he's rather out of his mind on this subject, and won't change it.
Given what we know about the existence of mages, the goal of protecting the world seems grossly incongruous to a plan that involves slaughtering people and their families for all time.
We know that mages are destructive and unstable and there is no real weay to control them we had plenty examples of that so yep that plan ig very good idea for non-mages.
He just admitted to being chaotic evil. Do you think to reason with him?
I admit that it is my favorite d&d alignment not that im 
besides chaotic evil doesn't mean lunatic or psycho it is unfortunately one of types of CE that is treated as the only type... 
Given what we know about the existence of mages, the goal of protecting the world seems grossly incongruous to a plan that involves slaughtering people and their families for all time.
Hence why i view the rite of tranquility as a needed thing, Do you want mages killed for being weak or committing crimes?
Execution for every major offense?
Its the same thing in principle as housing mages in the circle rather then killing them en mass.
Hence why i view the rite of tranquility as a needed thing, Do you want mages killed for being weak or committing crimes?
Execution for every major offense?
Its the same thing in principle as housing mages in the circle rather then killing them en mass.
I'd say yes, he does:
A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If he is simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can be made to work together only by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him.
Chaotic evil is sometimes called "demonic" because demons are the epitome of chaotic evil.
Chaotic evil beings believe their alignment is the best because it combines self-interest and pure freedom.
Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but also of the order on which beauty and life depend.
If given time to recover and regain power I daresay no one nation could stand against them. If they were smart they'd enthrall the leaders of their neighboring countries and slowly but surely rule the world from the shadows. Oh the possibilities!
They're not smart, though. That's why the empire that once covered most of Thedas can't even conquer an island. Tevinter isn't gaining power, it's declining. And I believe without a massive overhaul in the ways that they operate we'll probably see the Imperium become the city-state of Minrathous.
http://dragonage.wik...de_of_the_Maker
http://dragonage.wik...ntry:_Chapter_3
These are two entries that talk about the end of Andraste's Exalted March.
World of Thedas' timeline on page 44 says in that -171 Ancient "Andraste and the Maker are given credit for Maferath's military victories. Maferath's jealously overwhelms him. Wanting to bring an end to hostilities and tighten his grip on conquered territories he makes peace with Archon Hessarion of Tevinter."
Page 112 in the "Religion" chapter of the book also says "Following the Battle of Valarian Fields, he made a secret pact with Hessarian, the embattled Archon of the Imperium, declaring a truce in exchange for Andraste's capture."
I admit that it is my favorite d&d alignment not that im
Chaotic evil is essentially the Joker. No one likes the Joker, except crazy people.
Really "put down" is an interesting choice of words. You don't just put down a rebellion by killing them all. There are many ways to do that. Bribing for example is one of them.
Chaotic evil is essentially the Joker. No one likes the Joker, except crazy people.
Or Kefka. Sorry, old school FF fan and he's one of my all time favorite villains. It's okay to like either character, but the line should be drawn at emulating them. To each their own I suppose.
<says the CG rogue with the tiefling portrait>
Chaotic evil is essentially the Joker. No one likes the Joker, except crazy people.
Me and TKS went around in circles for ages. it makes sense for him to be chaotic evil.
I personally was Chaotic Good and it completely matches the decisions I make in the game.
Hence why i view the rite of tranquility as a needed thing, Do you want mages killed for being weak or committing crimes?
Execution for every major offense?
Its the same thing in principle as housing mages in the circle rather then killing them en mass.
I can understand the need for something like the rite of tranquility, but obviously I adamantly oppose its universal use against all mages no matter the situation. But anyway, this is all in response to the crazy idea that killing all mages on sight would somehow make Thedas a better place.
Or Kefka. Sorry, old school FF fan and he's one of my all time favorite villains. It's okay to like either character, but the line should be drawn at emulating them. To each their own I suppose.
<says the CG rogue with the tiefling portrait>
Hey, don't get me wrong, I love the Joker, but simply from my safe observation from the audience. If I was a denizen of Gotham or Metropolis, I'd cheer on Magog for blowing a hole in the Joker's chest in view of the public.
Chaotic evil is essentially the Joker. No one likes the Joker, except crazy people.
When joker is chaotic evil it doesn't mean that chaotic evil is joker as i said sadly many peoples think that chaotic is crazy lunatic that kills everyone who sees when acting such way makes you chaotic evil sure it isn't only type of chaotic evil...
Sarevok from baldurs gate is chaotic evil still he is excellent player in politics.
Chaotic means that character values freedom or have chaotic impulses evil means that characters is self-serving or purposely hurts other peoples.
Same with lawful evil when it can be evil ruler that uses laws to benefit themselves ,extreme knight templar , or just ruthless bounty hunter that follows code of honor....
He just admitted to being chaotic evil. I hope you realize that means he's rather out of his mind on this subject, and won't change it.
I have a hard time deciding if he acts like an orlaisian noble or someone like Iron Bull(the Qunari). He sure as hell wants power for himself and ?, that remains to be seen.
I'd say yes, he does:
Well my Chaotic cousin can be like that upon occasion.
I am Lawful Evil
This whole "let's just kill the mages and be done with it" aspect to this debate is getting funnier by the day for me.
As we all know, demons go after mages because they are more powerful. That's why mages can be dangerous to the population. However, if one kills all the mages, will the demons stop trying to possess people? No, because they still want to be in the Material Plane, and they still seek power. As has been proven by DA2, a demon will happily take a templar or just about anyone that is weak and/or willing to be taken.
So the next step would be slaughtering the Templars, right? They would have the next highest level of power (given their lyrium use) and the next group most likely at risk of possessions. Without the mages, the Templars would mostly fall apart and there would be a bunch of strung out confused addicts that would be easy pickings.
Say we kill off all the Templars. Guess what? You think the demons would just stop there? No, they'd seek out the common folks, the average John or Jane Doe, and continue to attempt possession. The average farmer's daughter, that isn't a mage or even has any mage blood, could be next. So what, you kill of all them too?
This is why a permanent solution like just "kill all the mages" will never work. The demons will not stop attempting possession and sowing chaos. They resent mortals and will not stop until the world belongs to them. Mage, templar...it makes little difference. Just different colored paving stones to power and one inch further to destroying/ruling the world.
Well my Chaotic cousin can be like that upon occasion.
Heh, you're my polar opposite alignment wise, but I still think you're more rational and reasonable than someone that loves being CE.
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