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[TheKomandorShepard]

Of course it can´t. It just explodes in a fancy way.

 

Hah it will hurt no more peoples accidentally as falling tree or burning house not even close to mages

[renfrees]

Actually now that you count Fenris a reliable source, in banter he tells Anders his case (merged with Justice) would be quite appreciated in Tevinter. As essentially Anders has access to powers of an abomination while being in control, more or less. So yeah Anders would fit in there perfectly.

 

I don't believe in fairy tales, magic training can't be a breeze but its much better than Templar version.

Yes, i count a person that lived in that society and been allowed into the inner meetings as a bodyguard as a reliable source. Shouldn't i?

 

Do you think Anders would fit perfectly without using forbidden magic and climbing social ladder? Really? He'd be eaten or used for their own goals. He is too naive for Tevinter power ranks.

[Lulupab]

Yes, i count a person that lived in that society and been allowed into the inner meetings as a bodyguard as a reliable source. Shouldn't i?

 

Do you think Anders would fit perfectly without using forbidden magic and climbing social ladder? Really? He'd be eaten or used for their own goals.

 

If Anders short story is any judge he would climb all the ladders to highest rank in a heartbeat. Is his magic coming from Justice forbidden? You be the judge of that.

 

Well he lost his memory, most of it and his views has to be biased. not saying he wasn't wronged but yeah...

[renfrees]

If Anders short story is any judge he would climb all the ladders to highest rank in a heartbeat. Is his magic coming from Justice forbidden? You be the judge of that.

 

Well he lost his memory, most of it and his views has to be biased. not saying he wasn't wronged but yeah...

If he was so powerful, why would he need Hawke's help to free Karl? Would some lousy Templars stopped mighty Janders? Looks like you give Justice more credit than its due. He's a spirit similar to demon, demons and abominations could be killed, as we saw many times in the game

 

He lost memories prior to ritual, not after.

Modifié par renfrees, 09 mars 2014 - 12:37 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Anders doesn't have the ruthless streak that most magisters need to survive.

[Lulupab]

He lost memories prior to ritual, not after.

 

Still we shouldn't be surprised if something he said turns out to be wrong in the future.

 

You assume Tevinter is too evil while I see both the good and bad in them. Nothing is pure evil unless you convince yourself that they are.

[dzs Angel]

The return of the circle is about the only outcome i am fairly certain of in the Mage Templar Conflict.

 

It makes sense from a gameplay perspective, a restored circle being the end game for both sides results in far less hassle in sequels then it would if both sides had entirely different outcomes, those changes either wouldn't be present or they would be reworked and edited so much it likely wouldn't matter.

 

However the middle ground being the same for both ends?

 

It makes things considerably easier.

 

That's how i look at this, i don't look for methods of how it may differ but for how Bioware as a company would look at it.

MassEffect proves you wrong. They have an considereable amount of experience, when it comes to replacing characters because of different outcomes of the story.

 

Rachni Queen - Rachni Abomination

Mordin Solus - Padok Wilks

Female Krogan lives - Female Krogan dies

Urdnot Wrex - Urdnot Wreav

Ashley - Kaidan

etc. 

 

Dragon Age Origins proves you wrong as well:

 

Elves - Werewolves

Mages - Templars

Bhelen - Harrowmont

Alistair - Loghain

[Lulupab]

Anders doesn't have the ruthless streak that most magisters need to survive.

 

He doesn't have to be a mgister, He can be a Laetan. Highly esteemed citizen of Tevinter who are either mages or from  mundane families who are known for producing mage children. He would have what he always wanted:

 

Decent meals

pretty girl (or boy for that matter )

The right to shoot lightning at fools.

[renfrees]

Still we shouldn't be surprised if something he said turns out to be wrong in the future.

 

You assume Tevinter is too evil while I see both the good and bad in them. Nothing is pure evil unless you convince yourself that they are.

Do not presume until its proven otherwise. Now you are just resorting to assumptions to prove your stance, without any evidence i must add. 

[dzs Angel]

Hah it will hurt no more peoples accidentally as falling tree or burning house not even close to mages

What about this or this ?

[TheKomandorShepard]

What about this or this ?

Lolz nuclear weapon is extremely controlled and it can be controlled unlike mages... same with another technology that is dangerous perhaps outside some kind of guns...

[EmissaryofLies]

I've no doubt that Tevinter is as bad as many say. But I've a lot of doubt that their words shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt. The experience with the Arishok showed just enough about Qunari culture for me to be utterly revolted by it. We've absolutely no experience with Tevinter and we've mostly if not only heard about it through people who have every reason to badmouth and even lie about it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

If Anders short story is any judge he would climb all the ladders to highest rank in a heartbeat. Is his magic coming from Justice forbidden? You be the judge of that.

 

Well he lost his memory, most of it and his views has to be biased. not saying he wasn't wronged but yeah...

 

Who, Fenris?

 

Loosing your memory would actually remove any bias. A fresh start, untainted by preconceptions.

That doesn't mean you can't pick up new ones along the way tough

[Xilizhra]

Who, Fenris?

 

Loosing your memory would actually remove any bias. A fresh start, untainted by preconceptions.

That doesn't mean you can't pick up new ones along the way tough

Fenris lost all his memories of anything happy he might have experienced in Tevinter; everything after that was as Danarius' bodyguard.

[dzs Angel]

Lolz nuclear weapon is extremely controlled and it can be controlled unlike mages... same with another technology that is dangerous perhaps outside some kind of guns...

Of course. Weapons are controlled. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Of course. Weapons are controlled. 

 

Yeah use movie as example if you mean that there is such things like black market now well congratulation but sadly you won't buy there nuclear bomb or "better" guns

 

Besides i doubt that "normal" has access to it and even gang members won't shoot to everything like in gta or abomnations

[Lotion Soronarr]

What do you think Tarohne was assisting with?  She even said that anyone would do for the demons including a perfectly non-magical Hawke.  I'm betting when the Veil rips like paper in the next game, the demons wouldn't need that much help.  They'll be there, on the material plane, 100% and need no mortal vessel to be there.  I can see them possessing folks, especially Templars, to spread chaos even further for fun.

 

And then there is Wilmod, or did you forget all about him?

 

FORECEFUL possession. Trough magic, torture and mind control. And Assistance of demons.

FORCIBLY putting a demon into someone. That's something only a mage can do.

 

Also, Tarohne wasn't heavy a easy time doing it either, and every single person discussing it expresses disbelief that it's even possible.

Tarhone herself claims she can EVEN do it to a templar.

Even she goes about it as achieving something difficult/extremly rare
 

 

Lotion Soronarr, on 08 Mar 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

Obvious spy? That was only Anderses viewpoint, not fact.
And the Wardens take on everyone that's useful - which includes templars.

An ex-templar warden is no more strange than a mage warden.

You're ignoring quite a bit of the story simply to express that you don't care for Anders as a character, as well as the other problematic issues with the narrative of the short story - like the part where he becomes an invincible cannibal.

 

No, I'm addressing things you state as a fact, which aren't facts. That's all there is to it.

Anything else you read into it, or other problems you wish to address are NOT what I was addressing.

[renfrees]

Fenris lost all his memories of anything happy he might have experienced in Tevinter; everything after that was as Danarius' bodyguard.

What happy memories of slaver's society can one have as a slave?

[Heimdall]

Fenris lost all his memories of anything happy he might have experienced in Tevinter; everything after that was as Danarius' bodyguard.

And that disqualifies his front row seat to magister politics and predations how?

It couldn't have been that happy if he felt the need to risk his life to free his mother and sister from slavery.

[Xilizhra]

And that disqualifies his front row seat to magister politics and predations how?

It couldn't have been that happy if he felt the need to risk his life to free his mother and sister from slavery.

I'm not really involved in this argument, just pointing out something wrong with Lotion's post.

 

I'm not disputing that many magisters are bad, although even Fenris admits that some have to be good. Where Fenris is wrong is the idea that magic makes them worse.

[KaiserShep]

What happy memories of slaver's society can one have as a slave?

 

 

To be fair, Fenris losing his memory did cause him to come to some false conclusions about his time as a slave, namely how he received his markings. He fought to get them, but lost his memory in the process. Of course, if you chose to let him kill his sister, no one is the wiser. Beyond that is anyone's guess, but if he was wrong about getting the markings against his will, who knows what else he forgot. 

[renfrees]

To be fair, some of Fenris' preconceptions about magisters is based on false information, namely how he received his markings. He fought to get them, but lost his memory in the process. Beyond that is anyone's guess, but if he was wrong about getting the markings against his will, who knows what else he forgot. 

Better meal than the day before? Lesser beating than previous? What happy memories can a slave have about his slavers? Are you for real? Well, unless we're going into k!meme deviation field, but lets refrain.

[KaiserShep]

I don't recall saying anything about happy memories. 

[renfrees]

I don't recall saying anything about happy memories. 

I was and you quoted my post.

[The Baconer]

What happy memories can a slave have about his slavers? Are you for real?

 

Depends on the context and the nature of their relationship, it's certainly not impossible (though highly improbable for most in Tevinter). Or the fact that they might not know any better, like Orana.