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[renfrees]

Depends on the context and the nature of their relationship, it's certainly not impossible (though highly improbable for most in Tevinter). Or the fact that they might not know any better, like Orana.

Like i said - lets not go into k!meme field

[The Baconer]

Like i said - lets not go into k!meme field

 

I... have no idea what that even is.

[renfrees]

I... have no idea what that even is.

Well, good for you.

[dzs Angel]

lol

[LobselVith8]

No, I'm addressing things you state as a fact, which aren't facts. That's all there is to it.
Anything else you read into it, or other problems you wish to address are NOT what I was addressing.

I'm pointing out the problems with Anders' short story. I'm not certain why you take an issue with it. It's clear I'm not the only one who finds inconsistencies with the narrative of the short story.

[dragonflight288]

I'm pointing out the problems with Anders' short story. I'm not certain why you take an issue with it. It's clear I'm not the only one who finds inconsistencies with the narrative of the short story.

 

I know that his short story doesn't match his or Justice's personality at the end of Awakening or the beginning of DA2. I know the Wardens in the deep roads don't even reference it despite the story being written by one of the writer's of the game's script.

 

The only thing I took away from it that even made sense contextually is that the templars sent a spy into the Wardens who tailed Anders, Anders got possessed by Justice, and killed Rylon and a bunch of wardens. 

[TK514]

I know that his short story doesn't match his or Justice's personality at the end of Awakening or the beginning of DA2. I know the Wardens in the deep roads don't even reference it despite the story being written by one of the writer's of the game's script.

The only thing I took away from it that even made sense contextually is that the templars sent a spy into the Wardens who tailed Anders, Anders got possessed by Justice, and killed Rylon and a bunch of wardens.

Except that doesn't make any sense either. The Grey Wardens have been using Conscription on Circle Mages, Apostates, and Blood Mages for centuries, and apparently have never come to significant blows with the Chantry. Further, Gregoire openly took the Hero of Ferelden's word over that of his own Templar regarding the fate of the Mages. What possible reason could the Templars have for wanting to irritate the Grey Wardens over the fate of one Mage they were going to have to hunt down later anyway if past behavior was any indication?

Now, a rogue idiot like the one that gets slapped down at the beginning of Awakenings? Sure. But the Order as a whole? Not a chance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I personally was Chaotic Good and it completely matches the decisions I make in the game.

Was? Then what are you now?

[dragonflight288]

Except that doesn't make any sense either. The Grey Wardens have been using Conscription on Circle Mages, Apostates, and Blood Mages for centuries, and apparently have never come to significant blows with the Chantry. Further, Gregoire openly took the Hero of Ferelden's word over that of his own Templar regarding the fate of the Mages. What possible reason could the Templars have for wanting to irritate the Grey Wardens over the fate of one Mage they were going to have to hunt down later anyway if past behavior was any indication?

Now, a rogue idiot like the one that gets slapped down at the beginning of Awakenings? Sure. But the Order as a whole? Not a chance.

 

True.

 

But this would also be near the end of Beatrix's reign as Divine and at this point she's mostly a figurehead. I'm willing to bet that Lambert or someone like-minded would try and plant a templar in the Grey Wardens. 

 

Or maybe someone like Ser Rylock volunteered to join the Wardens, and like an idiot, played the spy role as he felt his duty as a templar superseded his new duties as a Warden or something. 

[renfrees]

True.

 

But this would also be near the end of Beatrix's reign as Divine and at this point she's mostly a figurehead. I'm willing to bet that Lambert or someone like-minded would try and plant a templar in the Grey Wardens. 

 

Or maybe someone like Ser Rylock volunteered to join the Wardens, and like an idiot, played the spy role as he felt his duty as a templar superseded his new duties as a Warden or something. 

Or it was lore and common sense sacrificed in favor of suspense (storyline-wise).

[TK514]

True.

But this would also be near the end of Beatrix's reign as Divine and at this point she's mostly a figurehead. I'm willing to bet that Lambert or someone like-minded would try and plant a templar in the Grey Wardens.

Or maybe someone like Ser Rylock volunteered to join the Wardens, and like an idiot, played the spy role as he felt his duty as a templar superseded his new duties as a Warden or something.

I can see both of those as a possibility.

Speaking of Lambert, if there is one organization I would like to see redeemed, it would be the Seekers. I really want their inaction the last few years to be a result of intentional hampering by the leadership rather than systemic corruption or incompetence. I would be happy to discover that Lambert or, his direct ring of subordinates, was intentionally directing Seeker efforts away from the worst spots, or towards individuals he wanted to see replaced or reigned in, possibly as part of some long term power play.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are still circles and that tevinter have mages as rules doesn't mean they are treating mages nice and dandy as human nobles other humans.Tevinter rulers are self-centred and ruthless so they can have even less nicer methods to deal with mages than templars... And yes fenris siad that abomnations aren't uncommon in tevinter... 

Sounds like your kind of place, TKS.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I can see both of those as a possibility.

Speaking of Lambert, if there is one organization I would like to see redeemed, it would be the Seekers. I really want their inaction the last few years to be a result of intentional hampering by the leadership rather than systemic corruption or incompetence. I would be happy to discover that Lambert or, his direct ring of subordinates, was intentionally directing Seeker efforts away from the worst spots, or towards individuals he wanted to see replaced or reigned in, possibly as part of some long term power play.

That would be interesting.

[Lulupab]

Was? Then what are you now?

 

Still am I was chaotic good in D&D. Since the chaotic good values the freedom of self and others over anything else, I am still a chaotic gopd in DA.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Still am I was chaotic good in D&D. Since the chaotic good values the freedom of self and others over anything else, I am still a chaotic gopd in DA.

Ah, okay. 

 

One of my main playstyles is also Chaotic Good. 

[Lulupab]

Ah, okay. 

 

One of my main playstyles is also Chaotic Good. 

Good to know

 

So by taking look at description of that alignment:

"A Chaotic Good character favors change for a greater good, disdains bureaucratic organizations that get in the way of social improvement, and places a high value on personal freedom, not only for oneself, but for others as well. They always intend to do the right thing, but their methods are generally disorganized and often out of alignment with the rest of society. They may create conflict in a team if they feel they are being pushed around, and often view extensive organization and planning as pointless, preferring to improvise."

 

Yes I am definitely chaotic good.

[dragonflight288]

I can see both of those as a possibility.

Speaking of Lambert, if there is one organization I would like to see redeemed, it would be the Seekers. I really want their inaction the last few years to be a result of intentional hampering by the leadership rather than systemic corruption or incompetence. I would be happy to discover that Lambert or, his direct ring of subordinates, was intentionally directing Seeker efforts away from the worst spots, or towards individuals he wanted to see replaced or reigned in, possibly as part of some long term power play.

 

It is quite interesting that where Seekers are needed most, like Kirkwall is where there absence is most notable. 

 

And I can see Lambert doing that, especially if he wanted to keep as much control as it was obvious that a new Divine was about to come, and she may not like his ideas. Which is exactly what happened with Justinia V. 

[renfrees]

The term "greater good" has always made me chuckle. Who deciphers that greater part? When the sum of lesser evils done in the name of it outweighs the good part and twist it? It such a weighted, pompous and hypocritical term in many cases.

[Lulupab]

The term "greater good" has always made me chuckle. Who deciphers that greater part? When the sum of lesser evils done in the name of it outweighs the good part and twist it? It such a weighted, pompous and hypocritical term in many cases.

 

In reality perhaps it is but as chaotic good the greater good is freedom, for self and others.

[renfrees]

In reality perhaps it is but as chaotic good the greater good is freedom, for self and others.

First of all you must narrow down the term "freedom". What is freedom - for you personally and in general? There are many cases when its mutually exclusive.

[Lulupab]

First of all you must narrow down the term "freedom". What is freedom - for you personally and in general? There are many cases when its mutually exclusive.

 

By looking at the society the chaotic good lives in its very easy to figure that out.

 

Fiona for example is chaotic good.

[renfrees]

By looking at the society the chaotic good lives in its very easy to figure that out.

 

Fiona for example is chaotic good.

I asked for you to describe the term "freedom" as you understand it, stop wriggling

[Lulupab]

I asked for you to describe the term "freedom" as you understand it, stop wriggling

 

And I said "freedom" is different in each society. For example mages have very limited to no freedom. They are fancy slaves, slaves with good clothing, nice meals and a decent place to stay but with no freedom whatsoever.

 

I live in Netherlands and its free as it gets, Its not the freedom but its good enough. Anything less than that is not freedom in my opinion. That is how I see it. If i was a political leader I'd see to it that everyone had this sort of freedom especially people live who in places like Iran.

[Xilizhra]

I can see both of those as a possibility.

Speaking of Lambert, if there is one organization I would like to see redeemed, it would be the Seekers. I really want their inaction the last few years to be a result of intentional hampering by the leadership rather than systemic corruption or incompetence. I would be happy to discover that Lambert or, his direct ring of subordinates, was intentionally directing Seeker efforts away from the worst spots, or towards individuals he wanted to see replaced or reigned in, possibly as part of some long term power play.

Why do you wish for this instead of the Seekers just being corrupt in general?

[renfrees]

And I said "freedom" is different in each society. For example mages have very limited to no freedom. They are fancy slaves, slaves with good clothing, nice meals and a decent place to stay but with no freedom whatsoever.

 

I live in Netherlands and its free as it gets, Its not the freedom but its good enough. Anything less than that is not freedom in my opinion. That is how I see it. If i was a political leader I'd see to it that everyone had this sort of freedom especially people live who in places like Iran.

What sort of freedom? The description of "I live in Netherlands" tells me nothing, since I don't live there. You still hasn't given a plain answer, which means you either don't know it yourself, or cannot narrow it down enough for simple description.