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[Zazzerka]

Perhaps there needs to be a tenth one, "mindless evil." But that would screw up those 9x9 grids people are fond of making.

[Bob from Accounting]

And you think that others who are in such positions are nice and dandy?

Well you would be disappointed  

Fiction such as Game as Thrones and House of Cards like to portray 'evil' authorities as brilliant chessmasters who skillfully maneuver everything and everyone around them.

 

As enjoyable as they might to some people, if we look at 'evil' rulers in real life, their overwhelmingly defining trait is not cold brilliance, but incompetence.

 

If we look at countries ruled by dictators who abuse human rights, they're pretty much always countries gone to crap and getting worse. 1930's Germany and Stalinist Russia were more or less two of the most inefficient states in history.

 

All it takes is watching the news for a bit to be aware that even what might be considered 'evil' politicians in very successful, influential countries such as the United States are, to say the least, prone to being foolish.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Fiction such as Game as Thrones and House of Cards like to portray 'evil' authorities as brilliant chessmasters who skillfully maneuver everything and everyone around them.

 

As enjoyable as they might to some people, if we look at 'evil' rulers in real life, their defining trait is not cold brilliance, but incompetence.

 

If we look at countries ruled by dictators who abuse human rights, they're pretty much always countries gone to crap. 1930's Germany and Stalinist Russia were more or less two of the most inefficient states in history.

 

And who was saying that i meant screaming "im evil and corrupted" point was they may look pretty and they do but in reality they aren't...

sociopaths use that tactic as well to be not detected as one predentic nice and dandy peoples...

 

 

 

Perhaps there needs to be a tenth one, "mindless evil." But that would screw up those 9x9 grids people are fond of making.

 

 

Well every "evil" character in d&d can be mindless evil and chaos-order can mean many philosophies 2 chaotic characters can have different views on life and still be chaotic for example evil...  so being chaotic can mean many things.

[Bob from Accounting]

Well such people certainly wouldn't be the ones announcing how 'evil' they are and how they're willing to burn down orphanages on a forum, would they?

[Lulupab]

And what is your country's freedom? Describe it - plain and simple. Don't hide behind vague descriptions.

Dutch criminal justice policies in general and on recreational drugs, prostitution, LGBT rights, euthanasia, and abortion are among the most liberal in the world. You cannot find any place more liberal than the Netherlands.

 

If you want to know more you should go look it up. I'm not your Encyclopedia.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well such people certainly wouldn't be the ones announcing how 'evil' they are and how they're willing to burn down orphanages on a forum, would they?

 

Im not saying that im evil and well im not saying that to voters when i inted be candidate for president .

 

Simple im saying how i view things and now accuse me that in real life for such views  

[Grieving Natashina]

That is one thing I'd like to point out to folks.  We are all at least a little IC here.  TKS may not be a crazed sociopath offline, he just plays one on the net.

 

Edit: And before you try to tell me again that you aren't acting like a sociopath TKS...most crazy people believe their way of thinking is rational and sane.  

[renfrees]

Dutch criminal justice policies in general and on recreational drugs, prostitution, LGBT rights, euthanasia, and abortion are among the most liberal in the world. You cannot find any place more liberal than the Netherlands.

 

If you want to know more you should go look it up. I'm not your Encyclopedia.

Is this your personal freedom, or your idea of abstract freedom in general?

[TheKomandorShepard]

That is one thing I'd like to point out to folks.  We are all at least a little IC here.  TKS may not be a crazed sociopath offline, he just plays one on the net.

 

Edit: And before you try to tell me again that you aren't acting like a sociopath TKS...most crazy people believe their way of thinking is rational and sane.  

 

And depending what do you mean how i act in public and what person im are two different things pretty much even you have act and most peoples... and again just because i have rather controversial views doesn't mean that im sociopath.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I said you act like a sociopath, which you do in a textbook sense.  However, I do think there is a difference between "TKS" here on the BSN (that advocates wiping out a whole group of people) and the person you are in real life. You don't strike me as that way in real life outside of a video game context.  You're probably a nice guy, and tries to help others where they can.  Since this is a forum for a RPG, a bit of a "character" is going to come out.  Your "character" is pretty damned off his rocker.  Yet, I'm not going to sit here and say that is actually you.  No one is completely themselves online.

 

In short, TKS, I think your ideas are dangerous, cruel and heartless when it comes to Thedas, but I know that isn't what you think about as good for our world.  I don't think you're a bad person offline at all.  Your ideas about Thedas don't reflect all of who you really are.  It's something to keep in mind as we debate about people in skirts and robes.

 

Rather like the difference between being In Character and Out of Character.  I'm betting you when you're OOC is pretty different than you're IC.

 

Edit: I think the same can be said of others in here.

 

Now my question: What does a Templar and Mage wear under their skirt?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I said you act like a sociopath, which you do in a textbook sense.  However, I do think there is a difference between "TKS" here on the BSN (that advocates wiping out a whole group of people) and the person you are in real life. You don't strike me as that way in real life outside of a video game context.  You're probably a nice guy, and tries to help others where they can.  Since this is a forum for a RPG, a bit of a "character" is going to come out.  Your "character" is pretty damned off his rocker.  Yet, I'm not going to sit here and say that is actually you.  No one is completely themselves online.

 

In short, TKS, I think your ideas are dangerous, cruel and heartless when it comes to Thedas, but I know that isn't what you think about as good for our world.  I don't think you're a bad person offline at all.  Your ideas about Thedas don't reflect all of who you really are.  It's something to keep in mind as we debate about people in skirts and robes.

 

Rather like the difference between being In Character and Out of Character.  I'm betting you when you're OOC is pretty different than you're IC.

 

And how sociopath acts?   I just say what i think so well my views here are my real views that not always can be revealed in real life because society have requirements what you can do or what you can't do... see how you talk with your mother , how with your friends and with your boss .i don't see myself as bad guy neither good guy on the other hand do we have in reality mages no and burning jews or black peoples won't benefit me in anyway so you can say im harmless and pursuit of own goals is something that everyone does...

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm betting you're harmless IRL and you're generally unwilling to harm others.   By your own admission, a lack of personal gain and legal repercussion is keeping you in check in the world.  You believe Thedas should have no such checks, which is fine for a video game.  I think that sometimes being an evil tyrant in a video game is healthy.  There will always be restrictions on story and game play, so you'll have to be resigned to not getting what you want in the Dragon Age universe.  Mages are going to stay around, for narrative reasons.  Pushing and demanding that "all mages must die" is not going to change that.

 

That's why Z's idea have some merit to them.  He knows that he has to work within the context of the story, which he is aware means leaving the mages alive.  

 

You do have some...interesting examples there...     You might want to edit your post.

 

Well, thank you for confirming your stance and viewpoints.  It's good to finally know where you are coming from.

 

 

You never did answer my question though: What do they wear under those things anyhow?  My inner Isabela is curious about the answer.

[Zazzerka]

TKS is so cute when he's being malevolent.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm betting you're harmless IRL and you're generally unwilling to harm others.   By your own admission, a lack of personal gain and legal repercussion is keeping you in check in the world.  You believe Thedas should have no such checks, which is fine for a video game.  I think that sometimes being an evil tyrant in a video game is healthy.  There will always be restrictions on story and game play, so you'll have to be resigned to not getting what you want.  

 

You do have some...interesting examples there...     You might want to edit your post.

 

Well, thank you for confirming your stance and viewpoints.  It's good to finally know where you are coming from.

 

 

You never did answer my question though: What do they wear under those things anyhow?  My inner Isabela is curious about the answer.

 

Well it is not that i like negative repercussion that come with law as it often clashes with gain and weakens effectiveness like circles and its law weaken potential safety that can be mesured with proper means.

 

You mean about jews or black peoples? Well if that was problem that we can't discuss tensions between the races or history about it without insulting someone political correctness has reached an insane peak...

 

underwar i guess?

[Grieving Natashina]

Spoilsport.  You're not creative enough.  

 

And it's underwear.  Please, for the love of whatever you believe in (even if it's just yourself,) use spell check.

[EmissaryofLies]

As far as the narrative and gameplay go, people should be able neutralize threats with extreme prejudice. Wipe out all the mages, kill all those templars, finish off the elves...

 

As long as the PC has to face repercussions for such actions. This is all of course assuming that BW has implemented said options into IN, which I find unlikely. However, if they could fit such options into narrative choice and their alternatives it would not hurt.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Spoilsport.  You're not creative enough.  

 

And it's underwear.  Please, for the love of whatever you believe in (even if it's just yourself,) use spell check.

 

Pff it is obvious they wear underwear perahps templars wear also part of armor under for protection i deal with logic not perverted imagination  

 

And i lost e it had to escape because im so scary sociopath arhg   

[Grieving Natashina]

 

As far as the narrative and gameplay go, people should be able neutralize threats with extreme prejudice. Wipe out all the mages, kill all those templars, finish off the elves...

 

As long as the PC has to face repercussions for such actions. This is all of course assuming that BW has implemented said options into IN, which I find unlikely. However, if they could fit such options into narrative choice and their alternatives it would not hurt.

 

 

Yes, but such an extreme measure is very unlikely, at least at this point in the series.  I think if such options are made available, they will be saved for later, when they are reading to wrap up the series.  In the meantime, it's a total exercise in futility and frustration to keep belaboring that point.   Let's get back away from killing everything and look at the narrative context we have right now.  As it stands right now, mages aren't going anywhere.  Neither is the Dalish for that matter and while the Templars are split, even the Chantry loyal ones will be around.

 

Even when we disagree about the Circles and/or lack thereof, it's far more productive to the conversation than that.  

 

@TKS: If you think sociopaths are truly scary people, then you know very little about the condition.  Most of them are like you, and do have a sense of humor. I like the idea that both groups just go commando.  Good call.

 

Oh, I see Templars as boxer-brief kind of men and the mages going commando, personally.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes, but such an extreme measure is very unlikely, at least at this point in the series.  I think if such options are made available, they will be saved for later, when they are reading to wrap up the series.  In the meantime, it's a total exercise in futility and frustration to keep belaboring that point.   Let's get back away from killing everything and look at the narrative context we have right now.  As it stands right now, mages aren't going anywhere.  Neither is the Dalish for that matter and while the Templars are split, even the Chantry loyal ones will be around.

 

Even when we disagree about the Circles and/or lack thereof, it's far more productive to the conversation than that.  

 

Oh, I see Templars as boxer-brief kind of men and the mages going commando.

 

If they create conflict safety vs freedom let me choose one not half-measures that don't work like circles... i rly don't have desire in enforced stupidity like they did with "killing" morrigan in witch hunt so if i want safety when it comes about magic let me deal with them so i could play da 4 without meeting another 100 mages that spread destruction and disasters around...  

[EmissaryofLies]

 

 

 

 

Yes, but such an extreme measure is very unlikely, at least at this point in the series.  I think if such options are made available, they will be saved for later, when they are reading to wrap up the series.  In the meantime, it's a total exercise in futility and frustration to keep belaboring that point.   Let's get back away from killing everything and look at the narrative context we have right now.  As it stands right now, mages aren't going anywhere.  Neither is the Dalish for that matter and while the Templars are split, even the Chantry loyal ones will be around.

 

Even when we disagree about the Circles and/or lack thereof, it's far more productive to the conversation than that.  

 

 

Agreed, more than likely for a series finale. A final battle to settle the score if a compromise hasn't already been reached.

 

As it is now I'm keeping my eyes on the Dalish and Templars. The Dalish can be primed to take out a weakened Chantry so far as ultimate authority is concerned. We've got Red Templars, Cassandra's seekers(think they count in as the chantry loyalist templars), so two or maybe three templar factions? Things are completely chaotic and ripe for radical change. Navigating this political landscape in IN will be the best part imo.

[renfrees]

Spoilsport.  You're not creative enough.  

 

And it's underwear.  Please, for the love of whatever you believe in (even if it's just yourself,) use spell check.

Wasn't your next question for its color?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I know it's completely off topic, and it's long since been resolved for the most part, but I'm debating whether to jump in here to tear David/Bob's argument to pieces...

[Grieving Natashina]

Wasn't your next question for its color?

I was getting there.

 

I figure red or white is standard issue for Templars.  Mages, I think it's varied.  It probably depends upon the dyes that is available to the Circle.  For some reason, white or purple comes to mind.

[EmissaryofLies]

We know that Aveline wears blue boxers.

[Xilizhra]

Now my question: What does a Templar and Mage wear under their skirt?

Templars: leg armor. Mages: probably pants, unless the mage in question badly wants quick sex.