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[Grieving Natashina]

Agreed, more than likely for a series finale. A final battle to settle the score if a compromise hasn't already been reached.

 

As it is now I'm keeping my eyes on the Dalish and Templars. The Dalish can be primed to take out a weakened Chantry so far as ultimate authority is concerned. We've got Red Templars, Cassandra's seekers(think they count in as the chantry loyalist templars), so two or maybe three templar factions? Things are completely chaotic and ripe for radical change. Navigating this political landscape in IN will be the best part imo.

I couldn't agree more.  Plus, that's where characters like Vivienne and Cassandra could come in handy.  They both know how to maneuver through different political climates, which I think will be quite useful to the Inquisitor.  Also, it would probably deepen our understanding of many of the players involved.  Much of our understanding of the whole system is still fairly limited, and lacking another side.  I'm welcoming learning more, and I enjoy a good political intrigue.  That was my favorite part of MotA, even though I hated the forced stealth mission.

[Grieving Natashina]

We know that Aveline wears blue boxers.

Nope, lacy black panties.  You know there is a hidden wild side to her that only Donnic sees.  

[Xilizhra]

I couldn't agree more.  Plus, that's where characters like Vivienne and Cassandra could come in handy.  They both know how to maneuver through different political climates, which I think will be quite useful to the Inquisitor.  Also, it would probably deepen our understanding of many of the players involved.  Much of our understanding of the whole system is still fairly limited, and lacking another side.  I'm welcoming learning more, and I enjoy a good political intrigue.  That was my favorite part of MotA, even though I hated the forced stealth mission.

It's nice to enjoy good political intrigue, but MotA's incredibly stupid ending was sort of the opposite.

 

Also, in case you missed it from the end of the last page:

Templars: leg armor. Mages: probably pants, unless the mage in question badly wants quick sex.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I know that his short story doesn't match his or Justice's personality at the end of Awakening or the beginning of DA2. I know the Wardens in the deep roads don't even reference it despite the story being written by one of the writer's of the game's script.

 

The only thing I took away from it that even made sense contextually is that the templars sent a spy into the Wardens who tailed Anders, Anders got possessed by Justice, and killed Rylon and a bunch of wardens. 

 

Let's not forget that Anders killed EVERYONE there.

No witnesses.

So unless they sent a messenger before he awoke, it is possible that not all (or any) Wardens know Anders was behind it.

[Grieving Natashina]

I caught that.

 

Mages: Why should they wear pants if they rarely leave the Circle?  Even still, there's no need and if you double layer the skirt, it's quite warm. I've gone camping in early spring using two broomskirts.  Early spring at 9000 ft = still really chilly in the morning.  Who needs pants?  Just tuck the skirts around you when you sit down and you're all set.

[Grieving Natashina]

Let's not forget that Anders killed EVERYONE there.

No witnesses.

So unless they sent a messenger before he awoke, it is possible that not all (or any) Wardens know Anders was behind it.

Yeah, according to that mess of a short story (I despise that short story so much,) no one lived through that.  It seems like all the Wardens know is that Anders left one day.

[Xilizhra]

I caught that.

 

Mages: Why should they wear pants if they rarely leave the Circle?  Even still, there's no need and if you double layer the skirt, it's quite warm. I've gone camping in early spring using two broomskirts.  Early spring at 9000 ft = still really chilly in the morning.  Who needs pants?  Just tuck the skirts around you when you sit down and you're all set.

Maybe... possibly I'm just in a killjoy mood this morning.

[EmissaryofLies]

Nope, lacy black panties.  You know there is a hidden wild side to her that only Donnic sees.  

 

That's gross, Natashina!

 

I couldn't agree more.  Plus, that's where characters like Vivienne and Cassandra could come in handy.  They both know how to maneuver through different political climates, which I think will be quite useful to the Inquisitor.  Also, it would probably deepen our understanding of many of the players involved.  Much of our understanding of the whole system is still fairly limited, and lacking another side.  I'm welcoming learning more, and I enjoy a good political intrigue.  That was my favorite part of MotA, even though I hated the forced stealth mission.

 

Yes, those allies will be interesting and quite useful. Though it might be wise to take their words with a grain of salt and factor the other companions'

opinions into the fray, they are biased towards their own agendas after all. I welcome learning as well, especially of places like Rivain, Tevinter, and how to corrupt and destroy Par Vollen simply just to do it .

 

Stealth mission? I just ran in screaming bloody murder.

[Grieving Natashina]

Gross? I think Aveline is very pretty.  I just never flirted with her because she looks similar to my sister-in-law.  Take off Aveline's armor and then tell me it's gross.  Unless you have more a sibling view with her I like do, then I understand.

 

I'm excited about finally getting more narrative perspective on various groups.  I don't want to destroy anything yet, including Par Vollen or Tevinter.  Until we know more of their secrets, any confrontation is unlikely to end well.  I think we can both agree that more information would help greatly with any future war.  Know thine enemy and all that.

 

As far as the stealth mission goes, Gaider promised us that they won't do that again.

 

@Xil: It's okay, we all have our days.  I figured the thread could use with some levity.

[Xilizhra]

Maybe it's me, but I don't think that Aveline is all that sexually imaginative; it's never an impression I got from her, or from Isabela's teasing.

[Grieving Natashina]

Maybe it's me, but I don't think that Aveline is all that sexually imaginative; it's never an impression I got from her, or from Isabela's teasing.

This is delightfully off topic, but that's not what I pictured in my mind.  To each their own headcannon I suppose.  And Aveline may not have given into to Bela's teasing just to avoid giving her the satisfaction of being right.  Plus, she would have left herself open to more teasing.

 

I apologize for taking things far off topic, but I though a change of pace was due.  You guys have fun; I'll be reading and lurking.

[EmissaryofLies]

Gross? I think Aveline is very pretty.  I just never flirted with her because she looks similar to my sister-in-law.  Take off Aveline's armor and then tell me it's gross.  Unless you have more a sibling view with her I like do, then I understand.

 

I'm excited about finally getting more narrative perspective on various groups.  I don't want to destroy anything yet, including Par Vollen or Tevinter.  Until we know more of their secrets, any confrontation is unlikely to end well.  I think we can both agree that more information would help greatly with any future war.  Know thine enemy and all that.

 

As far as the stealth mission goes, Gaider promised us that they won't do that again.

 

 

 

Isabela or Athenril are more my persuasion, but it's simple personal taste.

 

Most definitely get to know the respective groups better. Tevinter especially. From Fenris to Feynriel to the white Chantry I've no idea what to really expect. Par Vollen would definitely require a delicate touch. They need to be disarmed before any hostitlities can considered a viable option. Perhaps we'll find something there that will change the current view of the Qunari. Maybe they DO observe and appreciate butterflies.

 

XD at the Gaider portion. Must be alone in really enjoying every bit of that expansion except the very ending.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, you're not alone.  I had a blast with most of MotA, even though I liked Legacy more.  The ending did suck, though I enjoyed the final boss fight with the Duke.  Now that  was fun.

[EmissaryofLies]

Maybe it's me, but I don't think that Aveline is all that sexually imaginative; it's never an impression I got from her, or from Isabela's teasing.

 

Though gross, she's probably a freak in the sheets.

 

Wouldn't surprise me, seems to be a repressive person. Her rationalizations as to why she goes along with an aggressive criminal Hawke who all but deals lyrium are dubious at best. The added stress of being guard captain, Meredith at her heels, she needs to release somehow.  I don't think for one second that she wasn't jotting down everything Izzy brought up for later.

[Lulupab]

Is this your personal freedom, or your idea of abstract freedom in general?

 

I am content with this amount of freedom and I think everyone should have it. Back to the original topic, fighting in order to grant this freedom to others is greater good.

[renfrees]

I'm not sure about disarming Qunari, they seem to be superior with technologies, than the rest of Thedas. I fear the full-blown clash might end up in something like http://en.wikipedia....Battle_of_Crécy

[Grieving Natashina]

@Lulu  First, I gotta ask.  Is your name a FF shoutout?

 

As far as your post, I agree, but I think Anders really made things worse in the long run.  Sure, change is never without chaos and death, but I still can't get behind his actions.  I typically let him live, but always pick the option "You've made things worse for the mages."  Fighting for the greater good is something I believe in, but I also believe in subtlety.  I understand why Anders lacked that subtlety, but it still can't excuse everything he did.  

 

There was more than just Templars and the Grand Cleric inside, even though limited resources didn't allow the player to see as such.  For example, there is a couple of NPC sisters that sometimes chat talk about the orphans that were taken in by the Chantry, and are surprised when some don't take up their offer.  

 

Kids in the name of martyrdom?  I can't support that, even though I know it happens in war.  My disgust remains though.  There was no excuse for Anders to try to not evacuate the children from the Chantry somehow and zero indication that he even tried (or considered their lives.)  I have a line as a CG player, and Anders managed to leap across it.  He still could have started a revolution, still could have gotten the RoA started as he wanted, and yet made sure that young kids escaped from his bomb.

 

I still think Meredith is way out of line.  I didn't agree with Sebastian often, but I thought he was right:

 

"Why are we considering the Rite of Annulment when the murderer is standing right here?!?" 

[Xilizhra]

I agree, but I think Anders really made things worse in the long run.  Sure, change is never without chaos and death, but I still can't get behind his actions.  I typically let him live, but always pick the option "You've made things worse for the mages."  Fighting for the greater good is something I believe in, but I also believe in subtlety.  I understand why Anders lacked that subtlety, but it still can't excuse everything he did.  

 

There was more than just Templars and the Grand Cleric inside.  The NPC sisters that sometimes chat talk about the orphans that were taken in by the Chantry, and are surprised when some don't take up their offer.  I have a line as a CG player, and Anders managed to leap across it.

Anders' action was not one I'd have taken, but I believe we should make the most out of it anyway.

[EmissaryofLies]

I'm not sure about disarming Qunari, they seem to be superior with technologies, than the rest of Thedas. I fear the full-blown clash might end up in something like http://en.wikipedia....Battle_of_Crécy

Well in that case, they MUST be disarmed. If the rest of Thedas simply continues to let them accrue power it will be gameover for everyone.

 

I do not doubt that the horn head ox-men will be around for long. But they need to lose what makes them the biggest threat to Thedas, arguably behind the darkspawn. Ruthless expansionistic empires must fall.

[renfrees]

I am content with this amount of freedom and I think everyone should have it. Back to the original topic, fighting in order to grant this freedom to others is greater good.

You think? Think again.

 

Why do you assume others want your freedom in the first place? I don't want drugs on my streets, i don't want prostitution in my city. Keep your freedom to yourself, that's why i called "greater good" a weighted term among other reasons.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not going to step into this too much, but the Netherlands does have some of the lowest crime rates in the entire Western world.  Food for thought.

[renfrees]

Well in that case, they MUST be disarmed. If the rest of Thedas simply continues to let them accrue power it will be gameover for everyone.

 

I do not doubt that the horn head ox-men will be around for long. But they need to lose what makes them the biggest threat to Thedas, arguably behind the darkspawn. Ruthless expansionistic empires must fall.

I didn't say that i didn't want them disarmed. I stated my concern that it might not end well for disarming party.

 

@Natashina: i believe i haven't said, that the connected crimes were my first concern. Again, assumptions 

Modifié par renfrees, 09 mars 2014 - 02:21 .

[Grieving Natashina]

I wasn't assuming anything from your post.  I was simply stating a fact.  Drugs and prostitution haven't harmed the Netherlands by having it decriminalized, so why you're opposed to safety regulations is beyond me.  It's already on the streets, might as well make it safe.  

 

That's all I'm saying on the subject.  It's very off topic and verging on a real world debate.

[EmissaryofLies]

Fair enough. Though its in the best interests of most if not all parties to pool together to take out what appears to be the most threatening bully on the playground. Hoping the veil tear plays a part in showing us the ****** in their armor. They must be neutralized.

 

Edit: Have we really reached that point in censorship for a word that has multiple connotations?

[The Elder King]

As a person that lives in a country with a different system than the Netherlands (Italy), I can state multiple reason why I prefer their system, but I refrain myself since it'd off-topic.
We managed to get this thread opened so far. No need to make it be locked for IRL discussion.