That´s because She(Lucy Lawless) is a friend of Hercules(Kevin Sorbo). Xena is a tv series from the 90´s, She is a former deciple of Ares(Kevin Smith)( Greek God of War).
I know, I know... I was making a joke based on the fact that all the others you named were from LotR. I probably should have used some kind of smiley face to flag my post as a joke.
By the way, it's hilarious to imagine Ares played by the other Kevin Smith (Silent Bob.)
I know, I know... I was making a joke based on the fact that all the others you named were from LotR. I probably should have used some kind of smiley face to flag my post as a joke.
By the way, it's hilarious to imagine Ares played by the other Kevin Smith (Silent Bob.)
I still remember his command center from Die hard 4.0. This guy is awesome
There is a limit to how much you can use Zathrian and Connor as examples to represent mages generally, just as there is a limit to how much you can rely on Meredith as a representative Templar. All of them were empowered by plot elements with impossible abilities.
Zathrian made himself immortal by binding a demon into a wolf with a curse of some sort. If that were generally possible, Tevinter would be full of cursed animals sealed up within tomb-prisons, and the Magisters would all be hundreds of years old.
Connor and his demon girlfriend created an undead army and held the keep's household in thrall for days. If mages were generally able to raise undead armies like that, the Qunari would be a memory, and a cautionary tale against messing with the magisters.
Meredith is gone by Act 3, all that's left is a thrall of the red lyrium idol/sword.
I think each of these are special snowflakes, and not really examples from which you can extrapolate the characteristics of mages and templars.
For the most part I can agree with those sentiments. However, I think Connor isn't a special case. I think he is very much an indication of the dangers of Abominations. Consider the tower, Templars are trained to fight abominations and some are still possessed by demons. An abomination is a big threat capable of extreme destruction and power depending on the possessing demon.
For the most part I can agree with those sentiments. However, I think Connor isn't a special case. I think he is very much an indication of the dangers of Abominations. Consider the tower, Templars are trained to fight abominations and some are still possessed by demons. An abomination is a big threat capable of extreme destruction and power depending on the possessing demon.
The dangers of untrained mages should be obvious by this point.
I think that's pretty clearly the "middle ground" in this conflict.
How receptive would you be to having "a little oversight" being overseen by mages? If the principle that mages must be governed is accepted, would self-governance be acceptable? I frankly cannot imagine mages at this point ever agreeing to Templar control again.
The little oversight I refer to is 2 or 3 times a year coming to the circle for a convention type thing. This would be for trained mages. Apprentices would have to remain at the tower until pass their harrowing or whatever is used. I would fully expect the circle proper to be run in cooperation of mages and templars. I feel the templars are still necessary, just think it can be a lot closer to a cooperative relatioinship than a beating over the head one. DAO was pretty close.
If this happens in DA, I really hope that that they still allow for a circle to fall. I don't think all ROAs in history have been templar abuses or the result of such. I think abominations are a genuine threat and from time to time master mages fall and succumb independent of outside stress or whatever from templars.
The dangers of untrained mages should be obvious by this point.
I would agree that mages should be trained in the proper use of their abilities. I think most people agree on that point, regardless of their position on the Chantry controlled Circles. However, I think the issue is giving the Chantry or the templars any degree of authority over mages by divine right.
I'm glad this thread is still up. It's entertaining to catch up on first thing in my day.
What do you say Indy?
Indy agrees. 
I would agree that mages should be trained in the proper use of their abilities. I think most people agree on that point, regardless of their position on the Chantry controlled Circles. However, I think the issue is giving the Chantry or the templars any degree of authority over mages by divine right.
You keep saying that they claim it's by divine right. Who actually says this, other than Cullen? Because we all know Cullen is a reliable source of info on how mages should be treated. He's as biased as Anders.
I would agree that mages should be trained in the proper use of their abilities. I think most people agree on that point, regardless of their position on the Chantry controlled Circles. However, I think the issue is giving the Chantry or the templars any degree of authority over mages by divine right.
Divine Right to Safeguard them from the world and to safeguard the world from them.
Hardly an issue to me.
Also...It really was only Cullen who said that.
I don't buy into him overly much.
Hah, comparing mage with mundanes is like comparing nuclear bomb with a battalion of riflemen.
Whenever someone says this, I must ask:
Show me an example in the lore where a single mage by themselves(aka no sacrifices or group of mages) is capable of using a spell capable of wiping out tens of thousands of people in an instant.
You keep saying that they claim it's by divine right. Who actually says this, other than Cullen? Because we all know Cullen is a reliable source of info on how mages should be treated. He's as biased as Anders.
Divine Right to Safeguard them from the world and to safeguard the world from them.
Hardly an issue to me.
Also...It really was only Cullen who said that.
I don't buy into him overly much.
I actually like Cullen, and he is way too middle ground to be compared to Anders.
I would agree that mages should be trained in the proper use of their abilities. I think most people agree on that point, regardless of their position on the Chantry controlled Circles. However, I think the issue is giving the Chantry or the templars any degree of authority over mages by divine right.
The problem isn't the chantry templar circle relationship. The templars are needed, what isn't needed is the abuses of power that have occurred. If Templars could opperate in cooperation with mages and both protect and watch them rather than abuse them like in DA2, there is actually no issue.
You keep saying that they claim it's by divine right. Who actually says this, other than Cullen? Because we all know Cullen is a reliable source of info on how mages should be treated. He's as biased as Anders.
It's said in Origins that the duties of a templar are sacred, and interring in them is an affront to the Maker (which is mentioned when you rescue Ser Irminric, Bann Alfstanna's brother, and later when you confront Loghain at the Landsmeet about it).
The problem isn't the chantry templar circle relationship. The templars are needed, what isn't needed is the abuses of power that have occurred. If Templars could opperate in cooperation with mages and both protect and watch them rather than abuse them like in DA2, there is actually no issue.
It's said in Origins that the duties of a templar are sacred, and interring in them is an affront to the Maker (which is mentioned when you rescue Ser Irminric, Bann Alfstanna's brother, and later when you confront Loghain at the Landsmeet about it).
I remember that, but I think you're forgetting the context of it. It was a blood mage Irminric was apprehending, not some normal apostate. So, I suppose it just depends how you interpret it. I'm inclined to believe that since Bann Alfstanna made it quite clear it was a blood mage that Loghain picked up, that's where the "interfering with a Templars sacred duties" comes into play, as we all know how paranoid the chantry is on blood magic.
I actually like Cullen, and he is way too middle ground to be compared to Anders.
He's more reasonable for sure, but considering what he's been through, I'd take anything negative he says about mages (Anything about mages, really) with a grain a salt. Mental scars such as those do not simply vanish in a few years.
Personally, I would've forced him to retire after that incident and just give him a pension. He's been through more than what the typical duties should include.
Whenever someone says this, I must ask:
Show me an example in the lore where a single mage by themselves(aka no sacrifices or group of mages) is capable of using a spell capable of wiping out tens of thousands of people in an instant.
I agree that that particular analogy is a tad inept. Perhaps a better one is a gun compared to a sword. Or if we are talking about abominations, a bomb.
Divine Right to Safeguard them from the world and to safeguard the world from them.
Hardly an issue to me.
Also...It really was only Cullen who said that.
I don't buy into him overly much.
The developers said Cullen is supposed to be a "moderate" templar, so I don't see why his words should be dismissed. In that scene, he's explaining why the Grand Cleric needs to support the templars.
Religion plays a constant role, in the formation of the Chantry controlled Circles, the view of magic among Andrastians, and even in the recruitment of templars. In the Gallows (when the Champion supports the mages and opposes the Right of Annulment), Bethany even talks about how her religious beliefs are the reason she originally thought mages belonged in the Circle.
I actually like Cullen, and he is way too middle ground to be compared to Anders.
Cullen has same mind-set as Anders and in direct opposition. Not seeing mages as people but weapons. Think he has divine right etc...
What distinguishes them from each other is the fact that Cullen is more of a realist, how many he would kill before getting killed himself. Not to mention he was not "persuaded" by a spirit nor he had such power as Anders did to do what he did.
Anders however is more of an idealist. He doesn't care about the power of the side he is fighting nor his own life matters to him. Mages must be free no matter what. Rival romanced Anders to hawke: "Should I tell you the truth? There is noone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill to see mages free"
Whenever someone says this, I must ask:
Show me an example in the lore where a single mage by themselves(aka no sacrifices or group of mages) is capable of using a spell capable of wiping out tens of thousands of people in an instant.
You should add to restrictions cut hand , lack of eyes ,braindamage and sewed mouths...
And what will stop mages from sacrifice or better abomnation both mages and nuke are local scale danger at best and world-scale danger at worst...
Do i have mention that qunari mage almost summoned army of demons and destroyed world or tevinter magister who wanted control everyone in the world?
And abuse them like they did in DAO? And for the past centuries?
AS I don't consider the Harrowing or Tranquility abuses, we have nothing to discuss here. No mages were being outfight abused in DAO outside of that I guess. No ROA was ever declared or implemented. No Templars were raping or illegally tranuiling people or physically abusing or murdering mages. So I will stick with my own head canon about circle relationships thank you and I reject yours 
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The developers said Cullen is supposed to be a "moderate" templar, so I don't see why his words should be dismissed. In that scene, he's explaining why the Grand Cleric needs to support the templars.
Religion plays a constant role, in the formation of the Chantry controlled Circles, the view of magic among Andrastians, and even in the recruitment of templars. In the Gallows (when the Champion supports the mages and opposes the Right of Annulment), Bethany even talks about how her religious beliefs are the reason she originally thought mages belonged in the Circle.
Note offhandly i don't care either way to be honest.
Divine Right is subject to interpretation by given the Templars are a Chantry institution it does make a sense, but again its one random sentence in the entire game.
How much evidence is that? And given moderate or no it was a rewrote character who said as much.
And Religion is a good enough reason as any to do what must be done to contain magic.
If practicality doesn't work, Faith might.
@TKS I don't know, sewing shut lips, chaining the body, putting a leash and magically controlling their Saarebas works great for the Qunari. I swear, you let the Qunari fall out of your head when you're talking about mages. On purpose, which is shortsided. You're smarter than that.
It's been proven that mages are perfectly leashed and controlled by the Qunari without any extreme danger. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the way the Qunari treats their mages is more intelligent and more efficient than any excuse you can create for killing them off. At least the Qunari do not waste anything.
He's more reasonable for sure, but considering what he's been through, I'd take anything negative he says about mages (Anything about mages, really) with a grain a salt. Mental scars such as those do not simply vanish in a few years.
Personally, I would've forced him to retire after that incident and just give him a pension. He's been through more than what the typical duties should include.
He's a realistic character. I don't find anything he says about mages being that harsh, more just a realistic awareness of the risk they represent. His off screen growth from DAO to DA2 is quite refreshing.
@TKS I don't know, sewing shut lips, chaining the body, putting a leash and magically controlling their Saarebas works great for the Qunari. I swear, you let the Qunari fall out of your head when you're talking about mages. On purpose, which is shortsided. You're smarter than that.
It's been proven that mages are perfectly leashed and controlled by the Qunari without any extreme danger. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the way the Qunari treats their mages is more intelligent and more efficient than any excuse you can create for killing them off. At least the Qunari do not waste anything.
Yeah and one of their mages almost destroyed world when he escaped just because qunari said him that he is dangerous and that is his role well no thanks but i don't want demon army destroying world because qunari screwd up... but hey at least it works better than circles so it is another prove that mages can't be controlled even by extreme measures why it is sane to eliminate danger before it actually manages blew up world , summon army of demons or bring another disaster to thedas...
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