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[AresKeith]

The "anti-mage" position has become repugnant.

 

So has the "pro-mage" position

[wcholcombe]

Whichever faction has a wolf on its banner gets my support.

Just don't attend any red weddings or agree to be hand, or command the night watch, or basically do anything heroic that marks you as a hero, it will just go badly for you.

[Steelcan]

Whichever faction has a wolf on its banner gets my support.

 

Wolf Banners have a history of being associated with successful movements in fiction...

 

The Witchers are all but wiped out, the Starks, well....

[Hellion Rex]

So has the "pro-mage" position

Hey, now! I'm a pro-mage...

[Veruin]

Just don't attend any red weddings or agree to be hand, or command the night watch, or basically do anything heroic that marks you as a hero, it will just go badly for you.

Damn.

 

I know the Red wedding went bad, but I don't know the details.  Did they soil the beauty of wolf banners? 

 

 

Wolf Banners have a history of being associated with successful movements in fiction...

 

The Witchers are all but wiped out, the Starks, well....

 

 

Do they?  I just liked wolves. 

[AresKeith]

We have the best Logo though!

 

Our Symbololgy is awesome!

 

Nope we do

[Steelcan]

Don't worry, I'll buy the drink myself, and you can give it to him.

 

You do love your threats.

 

I haven't forgotten the death threat you sent me

[Steelcan]

Damn.

 

I know the Red wedding went bad, but I don't know the details.  Did they soil the beauty of wolf banners? 

 

Oh.... you poor thing

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=EgW563Rt58I

[Grieving Natashina]

Heavy Plate isn't your thing huh?

 

Fair enough

Nah, the skirt and plate look.  And that silly flaming sword.

 

 If I'm going to wear heavy plate, I prefer more traditional.  You know, with pants? All that fresh air heading up towards the Nether Regions isn't good for you, at least in the Free Marches.  I've seen the Templar medium and light armor looks too.  Ick, no.  I think I'll just happily stay in the middle as the Inquisitor, under that banner and watch you kids fight it out.

[Hellion Rex]

Nah, the skirt and plate look.  And that silly flaming sword.

 

 If I'm going to wear heavy plate, I prefer more traditional.  You know, with pants? All that fresh air heading up towards the Nether Regions isn't good for you, at least in the Free Marches.  I've seen the Templar medium and light armor looks too.  Ick, no.  I think I'll just happily stay in the middle as the Inquisitor, under that banner and watch you kids fight it out.

Oh, don't you worry. We will get you into some fabulous mage robes soon enough, my dear.

[dzs Angel]

I like it despite the crazy. And I suspect MOST of us aren't as divided as the forums may indicate, but disagree on the principle of whether mages should have freedom or not, and even then, no one I know of has even said mages should have total freedom to do whatever they want, despite some impressions I get from some of the more extremist or argumentative supporters of the templars.

 

Excactly, they would still have to abide by the law like every citizen.

Seriously, do we have to go back to the evil chantry argument.  Fine, you asked for it.

 

And before you jump to defense with the argument that the fear of mages is a chantry product, the chantry doesn't lie about the dangers of magic.  At no point are they fabricating anything.  The magisters enslaved almost the entire continent, Abominations do occur and are horrible -unless you believe Uldred that they are the natural progression of mages...Anyone Anyone?- the abuses of blood magic are horrible, and all indications are that magic unleashed the blight on Thedas.  So you can accuse the Chantry of maybe embellishing, but not lying.

 

And please show me where I have justified ANY criminal action by templars.  I personally think the templars in DA2 who committed criminal acts should be fed to darkspawn or hung from the twin by their necks.  I haven't defended any of those abominations.

 

If you are referring to ROA, Harrowing, or Tranquility-those by definition aren't criminal, they are the law.

And no, I am not  hiding behind the law making it right, I do honestly believe they are necessary.  Show me a proven alternative that works and I will support it.  I refuse to believe no one has attempted the harrowing with a master mage to make it safer for the apprentice. Don't head canon me that they haven't, you can't prove it anymore than I can prove my opinion on it.  Just because we would see it as appalling in our world, doesn't make it a criminal act or morally repugnant in Thedas.

1.

 

The chantry itself is a lie, or at least what chantry indoctrination is based on. It is nothing like the real church. Why else would the maker be disgusted of humans. At least our beloved(sarcasm) divines should be able to earn his forgivness. Why create the blight to destroy humanity as a whole if you are just upset by the magisters attempt to enter the golden city. Where is the divinity in using mages and templars as a second army in case of an excalted march. And don´t refer to the Qunari, because every other exalted march was against mages or elves. 

 

2. 

 

These are not laws. Orlais and the chantry forced their dogmatic view of magic on everybody else. I played both games several times, and I never met anyone being afraid of mages besides Orlaisians, Templars and Chantry Accolytes. The rest doesn´t bother with mages or magic at all.

[AresKeith]

Hey, now! I'm a pro-mage...

 

You might wanna rethink that then bro  lol

[EmissaryofLies]

Christ, I'm going to need a drink here soon you folks keep on yakkin' 'bout it.

 

Whiskey Monday anyone?

[wcholcombe]

The middle ground is a subjective perspective, because we're not (most of us) really advocating "extremes." Extreme positions would be outright mage enslavement (Qunari) versus outright mage dominance (Tevinter.) None of the mage advocates are suggesting a magocracy, and only one lunatic is on that fringe of the tempar advocates.

 

Between those extremes, mage independance in a self-policing structure and mage internment under Templar dominance are both, relatively speaking, "middle ground."

 

It's way too easy to just move your position toward the extreme, then offer to compromise at a "reasonable" middle ground position that is more-or-less the position you started from.

 

 

Come join us in the middle then.  We've got the best seats in the house!

 

 

Fail to see how that's a fallacy since the middle ground people seems to be most logical in these discussions as we see the benefits of both sides

Nah we by no means have any kind of moral high ground or supperiority or even logic in our stance.  Its what we believe sure, but we are capable of as much if not more danger/damage than the extremists.  We are to a degree appeasers, trying to make everyone a little happy.  Not that we don't agree with what we say and strive for, but it isn't by any means any high ground or a sure thing of being the best option.

 

Chamberlin was a middle grounder, I can think of others, but that is the first one that springs to mind.

[dragonflight288]

I am missing the argument this is pertaining to?  We were arguing if the abomination is powerful or just a little amped up mage...not who was at fault.

 

I was responding to Master Warden Z.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, don't you worry. We will get you into some fabulous mage robes soon enough, my dear.

Probably not, but I appreciate the offer.

 

I've played a total of 3 mages between both Dragon Age games.  They were fun, but I'm too much of a rogue at heart.  I have been since i started D&D...over 20 years ago.  A little late to change me now.  

[Hellion Rex]

You might wanna rethink that then bro  lol

This coming from an Asami lover...

[Master Warder Z_]

Nah, the skirt and plate look.  And that silly flaming sword.

 

 If I'm going to wear heavy plate, I prefer more traditional.  You know, with pants? All that fresh air heading up towards the Nether Regions isn't good for you, at least in the Free Marches.  I've seen the Templar medium and light armor looks too.  Ick, no.  I think I'll just happily stay in the middle as the Inquisitor, under that banner and watch you kids fight it out.

 

Actually if we are being serious here, the Templars do in fact wear greaves beneath the "skirt" you realize.

[dragonflight288]

You might wanna rethink that then bro  lol

 

Okay. Let me re-think it.

 

*thinking things through*

 

I'm done. I'm still pro-mage. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh, don't you worry. We will get you into some fabulous mage robes soon enough, my dear.

 

Uh no

 

._.

 

Friggin robes trying to mind control everything in sight.

[Grieving Natashina]

Christ, I'm going to need a drink here soon you folks keep on yakkin' 'bout it.

 

Whiskey Monday anyone?

Have one for me.  I had to quit drinking three years ago, but you're welcome to my share.

[Hellion Rex]

Okay. Let me re-think it.

 

*thinking things through*

 

I'm done. I'm still pro-mage. 

DF knows what's up!

[dragonflight288]

Excactly, they would still have to abide by the law like every citizen.

1.

 

The chantry itself is a lie, or at least what chantry indoctrination is based on. It is nothing like the real church. Why else would the maker be disgusted of humans. At least our beloved(sarcasm) divines should be able to earn his forgivness. Why create the blight to destroy humanity as a whole if you are just upset by the magisters attempt to enter the golden city. Where is the divinity in using mages and templars as a second army in case of an excalted march. And don´t refer to the Qunari, because every other exalted march was against mages or elves. 

 

2. 

 

These are not laws. Orlais and the chantry forced their dogmatic view of magic on everybody else. I played both games several times, and I never met anyone being afraid of mages besides Orlaisians, Templars and Chantry Accolytes. The rest doesn´t bother with mages or magic at all.

 

Qunari. 

[Hellion Rex]

Uh no

 

._.

 

Friggin robes trying to mind control everything in sight.

Friggin skirts trying to stab everything in sight.

[Master Warder Z_]

Okay. Let me re-think it.

 

*thinking things through*

 

I'm done. I'm still pro-mage. 

 

That's personal failing i think