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[dragonflight288]

I thought we all agreed Da2 was a trash heap for both sides and shouldn't be used in discussions.  Or did I imagine that?

 

Whether we like it or not, it's part of the canon, and as such will be open to discussion despite how rushed the ending Act was. 

[Hellion Rex]

I thought we all agreed Da2 was a trash heap for both sides and shouldn't be used in discussions.  Or did I imagine that?

As a whole, yes. It's still something to talk about. Unless you have a better discussion topic?

[Steelcan]

Whether we like it or not, it's part of the canon, and as such will be open to discussion despite how rushed the ending Act  whole freakin game was. 

[Veruin]

As a whole, yes. It's still something to talk about. Unless you have a better discussion topic?

Yes.  I propose we discuss nug recipes.

[dragonflight288]

 

Whether we like it or not, it's part of the canon, and as such will be open to discussion despite how rushed the ending Act  whole freakin game was. 

 

 

I have to ask, how do you do that markthrough the words? I've never figured out how to do that. 

[dragonflight288]

Yes.  I propose we discuss nug recipes.

 

Oh yes, a much more pleasant topic. In fact, a dwarf was made a paragon for the discovery that nug is edible and coming up with a few recipes for roasted nug. 

[Veruin]

I have to ask, how do you do that markthrough the words? I've never figured out how to do that. 

It's an option, right next to Underline and subscript.  "Strike through"

[dragonflight288]

It's an option, right next to Underline and subscript.  "Strike through"

 

Thanks. 

[Veruin]

Oh yes, a much more pleasant topic. In fact, a dwarf was made a paragon for the discovery that nug is edible and coming up with a few recipes for roasted nug. 

I wonder what sort of marinades/sauces they use.  There can't be much to choose from down there.  

[Steelcan]

Its right next to underline, just select what you want to strike through

[Divine Justinia V]

Christ, I'm going to need a drink here soon you folks keep on yakkin' 'bout it.

 

Whiskey Monday anyone?

 

Whiskey everyday, my friend.

[dragonflight288]

I wonder what sort of marinades/sauces they use.  There can't be much to choose from down there.  

 

Orlesian imports most likely. The gate to Orzammar is in the Frostback Mountains, right between Ferelden and Orlais. 

 

Or maybe spicy deep mushroom. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Meredith was a pretty good Knight Commander until after she got the idol.  I thought Anders was a pretty good guy until Justice's influence grew. And by the end, they both rather sucked and had to be put down.  It wasn't a happy task for my Templar Hawke to kill Meredith, nor for my Mage Hawke to kill Anders.

 

I'll be the first to say that maybe if the game had had us talk to Meredith before the end of Act 2, get to know her, that I might feel differently.  Same with Orisno: I don't have that many strong feelings about him because I barely knew him before Act 3.

 

See, I'm very conflicted with that because I feel like the idol just amplified everything she felt. She was already thinking that way, she was already cracking down.

 

Don't get me wrong, as I've said before, I'm a Meredith fan through and through.

 

But we can't completely blame the idol for everything, as she was already unraveling. The idol mostly turned her into, for lack of a better word, a paranoid schizophrenic.

 

also, if she was that good at her job, I feel like the Templars would have done a better job at capturing the blood mages. As Dragonflight has pointed before, where were they when demons were being summoned in the city? She waved most of that off.

[dragonflight288]

See, I'm very conflicted with that because I feel like the idol just amplified everything she felt. She was already thinking that way, she was already cracking down.

 

Don't get me wrong, as I've said before, I'm a Meredith fan through and through.

 

But we can't completely blame the idol for everything, as she was already unraveling. The idol mostly turned her into, for lack of a better word, a paranoid schizophrenic.

 

I never was a Meredith fan, I always felt she was playing too much with politics even before the Deep Roads, with her ordering refugees being sorted out when Hawke first arrived. 

 

I just wish she held her Templars to a higher standard and was just as strict with them as she was with mages. 

[Grieving Natashina]

See, I'm very conflicted with that because I feel like the idol just amplified everything she felt. She was already thinking that way, she was already cracking down.

 

Don't get me wrong, as I've said before, I'm a Meredith fan through and through.

 

But we can't completely blame the idol for everything, as she was already unraveling. The idol mostly turned her into, for lack of a better word, a paranoid schizophrenic.

I don't disagree with what the idol did, but her actions show that she was pretty solid at leading until her will finally cracked.  I'm sorry if my post made it unclear: She had a grip on the issues that plagued her until the energies of the idol began to consume her.  There is quite a bit of evidence that you can find in earlier DA2 that reflects this.  She had her problems, but she seemed to be able to focus on her duties beyond "look for blood mages," and did oppose ridiculously extreme measures, such as the Tranquil Solution.

 

It was only after years of that idol being strapped to her back, that she finally snapped.  I don't like Meredith, never did, but I thought she was a good character for the most part.  I've never been a fan of the "crazy bat" approach to villainy, which I felt cheapened her character significantly.  That might be too many years of being a Blizzard fan talking there though.

[Divine Justinia V]

I never was a Meredith fan, I always felt she was playing too much with politics even before the Deep Roads, with her ordering refugees being sorted out when Hawke first arrived. 

 

I just wish she held her Templars to a higher standard and was just as strict with them as she was with mages. 

 

That too, she was way too involved in things she shouldn't have been long before the idol. The Viscount himself even said how everyone knew she ran that city, even with him still crowned. That'd be like Knight-Commander Greagoir running things in Ferelden. It's not the way it's supposed to go.

[Divine Justinia V]

I don't disagree with what the idol did, but her actions show that she was pretty solid at leading until her will finally cracked.  I'm sorry if my post made it unclear: She had a grip on the issues that plagued her until the energies of the idol began to consume her.   After years of that, she finally snapped.

 

Oh, no it didn't!

I was just saying for me, I didn't mean to come off as disagreeing with you.

I feel bad Meredith, really. Learning about her past, I mean, it's the same for Cullen. It's expected for her to be this way, I think she had too much emotional attachment to have that position. Cullen handled his demons a lot better.

[TK514]

Damn, that's pretty cold.

He tried to start a war effecting thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocents without once considering if they wanted him to put their lives in jeopardy. It is only just that he should have to get his hands dirty with the bad as well as the good. Killing him gives him what he wants, and let's him out without having to deal with the consequences of his actions. Having him take part in the Annulment forces him to face that he is figuratively and literally murdering the people he claimed to want to save.

My pro-Mage playthroughs cut him down because they don't believe he deserves to live and reap the rewards of the innocent blood spilled due to his actions.

The one thing all my playthroughs have in common is that they all consider him a monster.

[Divine Justinia V]

Also, I'm very curious as to why everyone hates Fiona and blames her when it was Adrian whom literally forced the entire thing and is was more into radicalism than her?

[Grieving Natashina]

He tried to start a war effecting thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocents without once considering if they wanted him to put their lives in jeopardy. It is only just that he should have to get his hands dirty with the bad as well as the good. Killing him gives him what he wants, and let's him out without having to deal with the consequences of his actions. Having him take part in the Annulment forces him to face that he is figuratively and literally murdering the people he claimed to want to save.

My pro-Mage playthroughs cut him down because they don't believe he deserves to live and reap the rewards of the innocent blood spilled due to his actions.

The one thing all my playthroughs have in common is that they all consider him a monster.

That's exactly what I did on my pro-Templar session.  He wanted a revolution so bad, in one of the worst possible places in Thedas to do it?  Fine, he now has to play a part in what that means.  That included the RoA.  If he didn't like it, he shouldn't have started it in one of the most brutal places for mages to exist in the human kingdoms.   

 

There's a reason why I've only been only to go 100% pro-Templar once.  It was emotionally exhausting for me, although the new details to the overall story was worth it.

[LobselVith8]

Also, I'm very curious as to why everyone hates Fiona and blames her when it was Adrian whom literally forced the entire thing and is was more into radicalism than her?

 

I rather liked Fiona, and her effort to help her people: “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.” Interestingly, Fiona is doing precisely what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do: return to the Circle after serving as a Warden, to help change the Circle for the better.

[Divine Justinia V]

I rather liked Fiona, and her effort to help her people: “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.” Interestingly, Fiona is doing precisely what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do: return to the Circle after serving as a Warden, to help change the Circle for the better.

 

I'm team Fiona all day, tbh. I just can't understand the hate she gets for calling that vote? The vote would've never had to have happened if Adrian didn't put all of this into motion. It's like everyone forgets about how much she really had to do with it all?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I rather liked Fiona, and her effort to help her people: “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.” Interestingly, Fiona is doing precisely what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do: return to the Circle after serving as a Warden, to help change the Circle for the better.

 

Obviously what rebelling against the Chantry and templars isn't what Wynne meant by that.

[LobselVith8]

Obviously what rebelling against the Chantry and templars isn't what Wynne meant by that.

 

When my Warden-Commander brought that up in the City of Amaranthine, Wynne said she was arguing against the vote in Cumberland because the Chantry would kill all the mages rather than see them free.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

I rather liked Fiona, and her effort to help her people: “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.” Interestingly, Fiona is doing precisely what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do: return to the Circle after serving as a Warden, to help change the Circle for the better.

 

 

I'm team Fiona all day, tbh. I just can't understand the hate she gets for calling that vote? The vote would've never had to have happened if Adrian didn't put all of this into motion. It's like everyone forgets about how much she really had to do with it all?

 

I am as well. And it is sad she gets lumped with the likes of Adrian when all she did was play with the cards that were dealt and seized an opportunity.