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According to whom?

 

Many fictional characters have given up their bodies, souls, minds, emotions and much more to achieve prolonged existence.

 

Longevity is something that is occaisonally has merit in and of it self.

 

It makes you wonder why spirits want to be mortal, assuming they aren't already.



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According to whom?

 

Many fictional characters have given up their bodies, souls, minds, emotions and much more to achieve prolonged existence.

 

Longevity is something that is occaisonally has merit in and of it self.

 

According to me. I'm sharing my own opinion. 

 

Existence is meaningless by ''default''. The purpose of life is there for every individual to decide for themselves. Without emotion you are unable to do so, thus making existence pointless. 



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From a purely selfish idea sure.  However, there are several loved ones that have passed that I would rather still have around even if they were rather emotionless.  Actually some of em I might have preferred emotionless.  I can imagine give the choice my daughter would rather me be around and extremely mellow than not around at all.

 

Just saying it isn't quite as simple as the I would rather be dead than emotionless.  Guess I am getting a little too deep and real though :)

 

No, I understand, believe me. And I agree, it's more from a selfish perspective.

If it was my Mom in question, I'd rather her be Tranquil than not live at all purely because I'd lose my mind. But, flip it around, I know she couldn't handle seeing me that way.

 

Speaking of, do Tranquil even get to see their families? I imagine not, right?


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It makes you wonder why spirits want to be mortal, assuming they aren't already.

Oh they are entirely mortal.  They may have different life spans but they can be killed and I believe in the fade they even feed on each other.  Its a different plane of existence and some of them are extremely old, but I am confident they can all die.



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You know the Templars employ rogues as well as Warriors right?

 

...You could be a Templar even if you choose to put on the lighter armor and forgo the shield in favor of daggers or a bow.

 

:mellow:  I want some of that red templar armor from SAO by the way, stuff looked boss.

Um, no thanks, though I take the offer as a compliment. :)

 

I like being unaffiliated, it makes my job easier.  Besides, I won't use hard drugs (lyrium,) I hate most institutionalized religion, don't believe in monotheism, despise the Circle system and think the Templars have too much power.  That kind of thinking would get a lady killed and I prefer to keep my head firmly on my neck.  

 

I respect you guys, but forgive me if I keep a distance. :P



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I wish they'd also call it what it is instead of hiding their barbarity behind euphemisms.


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Speaking of, do Tranquil even get to see their families? I imagine not, right?

 

Tranquil are free to do whatever they want. But since they want nothing they just follow orders of the closest people around that have some kind of authority.


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#5533
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The thought of you ceasing to exist..... :crying:

 

Pfffff you're getting ready to make me Tranquil as we speak :P



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No, I understand, believe me. And I agree, it's more from a selfish perspective.

If it was my Mom in question, I'd rather her be Tranquil than not live at all purely because I'd lose my mind. But, flip it around, I know she couldn't handle seeing me that way.

 

Speaking of, do Tranquil even get to see their families? I imagine not, right?

I would imagine not, but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some nobles that had relatives they didn't like tranquiled and kept around.



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According to me. I'm sharing my own opinion. 

 

Existence is meaningless by ''default''. The purpose of life is there for every individual to decide for themselves. Without emotion you are unable to do so, thus making existence pointless. 

 

But Tranquil choose their path, they can choose to serve the circle or move beyond it.

 

They still have freedom of choice and will, that isn't removed via the removal of the constraints of magic and emotion.

 

 

It makes you wonder why spirits want to be mortal, assuming they aren't already.

 

:mellow:  Immortality is occasionally a goal to ponder.

 

 

It's kinda pointless to have this discussion with him 

 

I gathered that.



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It makes you wonder why spirits want to be mortal, assuming they aren't already.

Only demons want mortals, regular spirits pity them.

 

I would assume they want mortal hosts so they can experience the mortal world and feel other emotions other than the one virtue they are bound to forever revel in.



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I'm far too curious to see if Feynriel's story is going to affect the game down the road.  I'm not holding my breath, but it's one of those options I leave open just in case.  That's just too interesting to me to just end right there.  I will admit that the quest in Act 3 (where you have to track down a girl) where the lady says her love managed to mindf*ck a bunch of bandits and had them kill each other was disconcerting. 

Think about how Tevinters would use his power to their benefits. The boy is pretty naive to that point. So no, sorry Feynriel.



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Only demons want mortals, regular spirits pity them.

 

I would assume they want mortal hosts so they can experience the mortal world and feel other emotions other than the one virtue they are bound to forever revel in.

Weird, I keep agreeing with you today.  Must be the weather; it's snowing like crazy out here.



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Divine Justinia V

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Tranquil are free to do whatever they want. But since they want nothing they just follow orders of the closest people around that have some kind of authority.

 

That's no way to live.

 

I would imagine not, but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some nobles that had relatives they didn't like tranquiled and kept around.

 

Nobles get everything :rolleyes:  jerks.

 

But Tranquil choose their path, they can choose to serve the circle or move beyond it.

 

They still have freedom of choice and will, that isn't removed via the removal of the constraints of magic and emotion.

 

And yet they always choose to serve their closest authoritative figure. Poor guys.


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While i'm not radical on mages and believe the Circle system needs reformation, i'm firm in belief that the Dreamers must be hunt down the moment they reveal themselves. That power is too... terrifying. That's why Feynriel never lives past Night Terrors in my PTs. Setting young untrained Dreamer with already tortured mind loose in Tevinter? Yeah, about that..

Interesting, so you would change elven society if the dales shoud be reestablished in DA:I? Because the dreamers used to be the most prominent parts of elven leadership in time of Arlathan. And the Keepers still rule the Dalish. Only the city elves are somewhat ruled by normal elves(elders), because every elven mage from the alienages has to join the circle. How would you do it, or what would you change?



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But Tranquil choose their path, they can choose to serve the circle or move beyond it.

 

They still have freedom of choice and will, that isn't removed via the removal of the constraints of magic and emotion.

 

One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 



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And yet they always choose to serve their closest authoritative figure. Poor guys.

 

It's their choice



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Weird, I keep agreeing with you today.  Must be the weather; it's snowing like crazy out here.

 

I want snow too! Never snowed the whole year. :(



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One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 

 

One psychology class and this happens? lulz



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It's their choice

 

It's their choice because they have no desire to do anything else. No matter which way you want to flip it, it boils down to that lol. It's their choice because they have no desire for anything else. That's like a saying it's a slaves choice to continue being a slave. Are you kidding me lol?


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Um, no thanks, though I take the offer as a compliment. :)

 

I like being unaffiliated, it makes my job easier.  Besides, I won't use hard drugs (lyrium,) I hate most institutionalized religion, don't believe in monotheism, despise the Circle system and think the Templars have too much power.  That kind of thinking would get a lady killed and I prefer to keep my head firmly on my neck.  

 

I respect you guys, but forgive me if I keep a distance. :P

 

But the Maker even if not believed in a religious sense still presents a unification sigil that cannot be ignored. Honestly it makes me ponder how much better this world would be if we only had one major religion, that said.

 

But Lyrium is such a RUSH!

 

There ain't no dust better then dwarf dust!

 

I'm joking of course, I wish i could say the same to be honest, its just this place has a habit of turning impartial people into one follower of a faction or another, and it did that to me, well i was half way there already but this place gave it the final nudge.



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One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 

 

That would explain the reactions from the two mages who were freed from tranquility, as they both preferred death to tranquility.



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Tranquil are free to do whatever they want. But since they want nothing they just follow orders of the closest people around that have some kind of authority.

Not exactly.

 

"The Tranquil are stripped of their capacity to form anything other than a logical opinion.However, they neither lose their memory nor become automatons: they possess free will. They do not wish to die and are no more susceptible to suggestion than they were previously. They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure, since they do not possess the desire to object, but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so."



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One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 

For many, like you and I.  For others, emotions are simply baggage that weigh them down and tear them apart.  Even though you and I see eye to eye on this, not everyone is going to.  There is some that would happily decide to never feel again.  Sure, it would take away joy but it takes away heartache too.  

 

I could never do that though.  I'm going to live with myself and all the emotions that entails. 


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One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 

Emotions don't define life.  Without emotions you still have your social construct of right and wrong.

 

Didn't you ever watch Star Trek? :)