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[Iron Fist]

One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 

 

Matter is substance. Substance is something, so it can't mean nothing. It's meaning is just unknown.

[KainD]

One psychology class and this happens? lulz

 

I've never in my life have taken any psychology classes, I am a music tech major. Where are you getting this from? 

[wcholcombe]

That would explain the reactions from the two mages who were freed from tranquility, as they both preferred death to tranquility.

2 mages......................

[Master Warder Z_]

And yet they always choose to serve their closest authoritative figure. Poor guys.

 

Sometimes they wander though, serve local lords, i wouldn't be surprised if you had Tranquil owning businesses (the wonders of thedas comes to mind) or preforming other services, you run into tranquil that are just living, not serving any one.

 

One more time - life has no rational meaning only an emotional one. Take away emotions and life becomes meaningless. 

 

Can't agree with that perspective i guess.

 

Maybe because i spent much of my life clinging to it, rather then willing to give it up.

[AresKeith]

It's their choice because they have no desire to do anything else. No matter which way you want to flip it, it boils down to that lol. It's their choice because they have no desire for anything else. That's like a saying it's a slaves choice to continue being a slave. Are you kidding me lol?

 

Really? You're gonna bring up slavery which is Nothing like this at all?

 

Comments like that really ****** me off

[KainD]

but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so."

 

Such reasons could never exist, since they have no bias whatsoever. 

[wcholcombe]

Such reasons could never exist, since they have no bias whatsoever. 

They still have their concept of right and wrong.

 

And are you not familiar with Vulcans?

[Master Warder Z_]

Really? You're gonna bring up slavery which is Nothing like this at all?

 

Comments like that really ****** me off

 

Tell me about it.

[Grieving Natashina]

But the Maker even if not believed in a religious sense still presents a unification sigil that cannot be ignored. Honestly it makes me ponder how much better this world would be if we only had one major religion, that said.

 

But Lyrium is such a RUSH!

 

There ain't no dust better then dwarf dust!

 

I'm joking of course, I wish i could say the same to be honest, its just this place has a habit of turning impartial people into one follower of a faction or another, and it did that to me, well i was half way there already but this place gave it the final nudge.

 

I'd be happy if no religion had political power over others.  I'm fine with everyone believing in different things, but I take issue once the church is involved.

 

So is being free of addiction.  No better rush out there, at least to me.

 

I've had the opposite feeling, actually.  The longer I'm here, the longer I feel right being on neither side.  I'm actually learning a lot from both sides by doing it.  So don't ever expect me to pick a side, because there is too much to learn by staying out of it. 

[KainD]

Emotions don't define life.  Without emotions you still have your social construct of right and wrong.

 

No I don't. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Then how could Owain prefer familiarity to uncertainty or being alive to being killed?

[Master Warder Z_]

They still have their concept of right and wrong.

 

And are you not familiar with Vulcans?

 

Spock was awesome V ;o

[Divine Justinia V]

Really? You're gonna bring up slavery which is Nothing like this at all?

 

Comments like that really ****** me off

 

Then don't go in this thread?? I don't know what to tell you, it's happened multiple times now. That's like deliberately continuing to put your hand on a burner.

[KainD]

Matter is substance. Substance is something, so it can't mean nothing. It's meaning is just unknown.

 

It's how you FEEL on the matter. Otherwise you just won't even think about it, because you wouldn't care. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Vulcans have emotions, they just suppress them. Data would be a more apt analogy.

[wcholcombe]

No I don't. 

yes you do, because it is built on your social experiences.  Not on your emotions.  you completely take away emotion, you still know right from wrong.

 

And at the very least you know a stupid idea from a logical one.

[Daerog]

Well, trying to find a solution to prevent possession (obviously not forced possession like with Uldred's tranquil victims) is a nice goal. I would think being tranquil is a better alternative to being possessed, even though it is a... distasteful kind of solution. More study to find how to lessen one's connection to the Fade or to lessen whatever it is that makes one a mage would be welcome to those who are too weak of will to resist demons or are uncomfortable with the power and dangers that comes with being a mage.

 

However, there doesn't seem to be much dedicated research to the subject outside some individuals in the Chantry and Circle, and with the Chantry having many other priorities (as the Circle is not the Chantry's main priority) and the Circle too busy with infighting and working toward revolution, I doubt a better solution will be presented soon. Well, especially with this "war" that is currently going on now.

 

Wonder if the Chantry will still sponsor research if mages are no longer under their authority... maybe some mages will stick with them, like the loyalists... doubt many kingdoms will bother putting lots of resources towards research that doesn't include some form of profit... well, there are some groups formed like that one in Origins.

 

Just some thoughts.

[Iron Fist]

Sometimes they wander though, serve local lords, i wouldn't be surprised if you had Tranquil owning businesses (the wonders of thedas comes to mind) or preforming other services, you run into tranquil that are just living, not serving any one.

 

But does the job hold any utility or any intrinsic value for the tranquil? I think not.

[KainD]

And are you not familiar with Vulcans?

 

They are on a minimum not completely extinguished. As far as I know. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Then how could Owain prefer familiarity to uncertainty or being alive to being killed?

 

Emotion doesn't erase preferences or the logical process.

 

Tranquil minds obviously still work.

 

Hence why they can conduct business, form preferences and have actual opinions.

 

Still people, just think a little differently.

[Divine Justinia V]

Sometimes they wander though, serve local lords, i wouldn't be surprised if you had Tranquil owning businesses (the wonders of thedas comes to mind) or preforming other services, you run into tranquil that are just living, not serving any one.

 

Did the WoT guy actually own that place himself?

 

My memory of DA:O is cloudy, I haven't played it in a while and idk how many Tranquils we meet, besides the Circle tower mages and Ostagar

[Master Warder Z_]

But does the job hold any utility or any intrinsic value for the tranquil? I think not.

 

It provides the resources to continue existence, but if you mean satisfying greed, or causing social status to raise or their interest in that? No i doubt it.

 

My point is though, they are capable of maintaining an existence and being content with it.

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay, I see the discussion that's going to take over for the next 5-10 pages or so.  At least it isn't another Merrill debate.

 

I'll stay in the back.  I'll get less mud and blood on my clothes from all the slinging that's about to happen.  Popcorn, anyone?

[KainD]

yes you do, because it is built on your social experiences.  Not on your emotions.  you completely take away emotion, you still know right from wrong.

 

And at the very least you know a stupid idea from a logical one.

 

I decide for myself what is right and what is wrong. And believe me my judgement if very different from most people you know. 

Stupid idea is when you violate some involved objective laws like maths.

[Divine Justinia V]

Emotion doesn't erase preferences or the logical process.

 

Tranquil minds obviously still work.

 

Hence why they can conduct business, form preferences and have actual opinions.

 

Still people, just think a little differently.

 

I agree with you on that, I just think after what we've seen from Karl and Pharamond, it must be terrible.