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[EmissaryofLies]

Seems that the Chantry and its bucketheaded goons place much more emphasis on the latter part of that statement.

 

"Blessing and Curse."

[AresKeith]

I don't see the curse side. 

 

I'm not surprised that you don't

[Master Warder Z_]

Seems that the Chantry and its bucketheaded goons place much more emphasis on the latter part of that statement.

 

With Good reason.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't see the curse side. 

Possible demon possession, nightmares, out of control spells (like Wynne accidentally setting a boy's hair on fire,) the biggest Church in the land considering you a walking monster or just a useful tool, and either a life spent on the run or spent in a glorified internment camp.

 

And we're not even talking about just being born a mage as a Qunari. 

 

There's definitely an element that can be considered a curse here.   Whether or not one believes it's a curse it's up to them.  Some do and that's why some opt for Tranquility.

[AresKeith]

Seems that the Chantry and its bucketheaded goons place much more emphasis on the latter part of that statement.

 

"Blessing and Curse."

 

Well with the constant danger of demon possession and the damage a blood mage can do, Yeah

[KainD]

The curse side is probably the demon bit.

 

 

People are hostile and oppressive towards you. Spirits and demons want to assume your form. 

 

I've met enough people in my life that were hostile towards me, nothing special. Having a trade-off of immense power would make it completely trivial all together. Spirits and demons are all up to the mage and their will. 

[EmissaryofLies]

To be fair, I acknowledge that some mages genuinely do want to be made tranquil and are not brainwashed. Like Feynreil if you forgo sending him to the Dalish and demand he go to the circle. But I also acknowledge the Keilis and take their stockholm syndrome quite seriously.

[Grieving Natashina]

To be fair, I acknowledge that some mages genuinely do want to be made tranquil and are not brainwashed. Like Feynreil if you forgo sending him to the Dalish and demand he go to the circle. But I also acknowledge the Keilis and take their stockholm syndrome quite seriously.

I agree with you here.

[KainD]

Possible demon possession, nightmares, out of control spells (like Wynne accidentally setting a boy's hair on fire,) the biggest Church in the land considering you a walking monster or just a useful tool, and either a life spent on the run or spent in a glorified internment camp.

 

And we're not even talking about just being born a mage as a Qunari. 

 

There's definitely an element that can be considered a curse here.   Whether or not one believes it's a curse it's up to them.  Some do and that's why some opt for Tranquility.

 

Your talking about particular society vs the bare fact of being a mage. A lot of things you describe dissapear if one is born in Tevinter for example, or as a dalish mage or some other society. 

[dzs Angel]

I cannot say that without knowing the terms on which they would merge with city elves. It'd be baseless speculation.

Guess so. 

[Master Warder Z_]

To be fair, I acknowledge that some mages genuinely do want to be made tranquil and are not brainwashed. Like Feynreil if you forgo sending him to the Dalish and demand he go to the circle. But I also acknowledge the Keilis and take their stockholm syndrome quite seriously.

 

She was unhinged by a tragedy at her home that was caused by her own kind.

 

I wouldn't mock her  by calling it Stockholm Syndrome.

 

:/

[Master Warder Z_]

Your talking about particular society vs the bare fact of being a mage. A lot of things you describe dissapear if one is born in Tevinter for example, or as a dalish mage or some other society. 

 

Yeah one you can either be enslaved or killed off for being a possible rival to lord such and such or another when you get possessed you go on a rampage and destroy your own clan.

 

Lovely alternative realities you have there.

[EmissaryofLies]

She was unhinged by a tragedy at her home that was caused by her own kind.

 

I wouldn't mock her  by calling it Stockholm Syndrome.

 

:/

I do not mock her. But these statements....They're very disturbing.

 

https://www.youtube....b-6oqixsNs#t=42

[Iron Fist]

I've met enough people in my life that were hostile towards me, nothing special. Having a trade-off of immense power would make it completely trivial all together. Spirits and demons are all up to the mage and their will. 

 

Your experience is anecdotal and probably nothing comparable to the mage experience.

 

And do I need to quite Uncle Ben about power and responsibility? 

 

Fair enough about the last part.

[KainD]

Yeah one you can either be enslaved or killed off for being a possible rival to lord such and such or another when you get possessed you go on a rampage and destroy your own clan.

 

Lovely alternative realities you have there.

 

It's all up to YOU as mage. You can run, kill the lords, raise in ranks, be smarter than the demons. Life is a struggle, mage or not. A lot of people die of hunger in our society due to bad social and living skills. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Your experience is anecdotal and probably nothing comparable to the mage experience.

 

And do I need to quite Uncle Ben about power and responsibility? 

 

Fair enough about the last part.

 

But dat rice though.

[Iron Fist]

Your talking about particular society vs the bare fact of being a mage. A lot of things you describe dissapear if one is born in Tevinter for example, or as a dalish mage or some other society. 

 

How likely is a mage to be born in Tevinter as opposed to outside of it?

 

Considering it represents a single country out of several, the probability is low.

[dzs Angel]

Seems that the Chantry and its bucketheaded goons place much more emphasis on the latter part of that statement.

 

"Blessing and Curse."

 

They always do, because without it they would have no justification to do what they want to do.

Your talking about particular society vs the bare fact of being a mage. A lot of things you describe dissapear if one is born in Tevinter for example, or as a dalish mage or some other society. 

Excactly, mages of different cultures have a different perspective compared to what Andrastians believe. Qunari condsider their methods to be ineffective, while the rest view them as oppression.

[KainD]

And do I need to quite Uncle Ben about power and responsibility? 

 

I just couldn't disagree more with Uncle Ben. The only thing power grants is freedom. Freedom from responsibility, from limitations and continuances. And if you still have responsibility, then you don't know what power is. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Your talking about particular society vs the bare fact of being a mage. A lot of things you describe dissapear if one is born in Tevinter for example, or as a dalish mage or some other society. 

 

Disappear in what sense? Merrill outright confirms that abominations happen to the Dalish as well, and we see it occur in DA2. No one in the universe has ever claimed that mages in other cultures, even Tevinter, don't deal with demonic whispers and possesion risks. We haven't seen them occur, true, but we also haven't been to most of those places for any extensive (or just plain any) amount of time. Being a mage certainly has an impact in your role in societies: Tevinter, Rivian, and even the Andaar barbarians keep a convenient slot for mages, so restrictive social opportunities applies as well.

 

Those societies might not care about the costs, or not enough to stand out in the few codex we have about them, and certainly not as much as the Andrastians, but there's no support in the lore that they don't happen.

[Grieving Natashina]

Your talking about particular society vs the bare fact of being a mage. A lot of things you describe dissapear if one is born in Tevinter for example, or as a dalish mage or some other society. 

True, but that is a lot of society in Thedas.  Tevinter comes with a whole new set of problems for a mage, including possible enslavement by another mage.  The Dalish need to stay on the run, of course.  As far as how the Dalish treats their mages (outside of no Circles, of course,) we've had some conflicting views from the same clan between two different games.  Merrill in Origins seemed to be pretty well adjusted among her people and accepted as well as liked.  In DA2, Merrill comments that the others were afraid of her growing up and never gave her anything just to be nice.   

 

I'm still waiting for another clan's perspective on this.  They seem to revere magic more than many of the human lands do, but they still seem about as afraid of mages.  Again, not enough information to judge and what I've seen is a little contradictory.

 

I didn't say it was a curse, only that some might see it that way.  Plus, society's views on mages makes it feel subjectively even more of a curse than just the actual magic.  I'm sure being told you're a walking time bomb,  yanked away from your family with or without your consent, that the Maker has disdain for you, that your power helped cause the Blights, that you'll be killed at any minute if you show signs of forbidden magic helps it feel more like a curse.

 

I think the Chantry's stances on it are a touch too far (to say the very least,) but I'll save that rant for another time.

[Master Warder Z_]

I do not mock her. But these statements....They're very disturbing.

 

https://www.youtube....b-6oqixsNs#t=42

 

You take serious religious devotion, history and a decent education and couple it together and you can some some very enlightening conclusions about mages and magic.

 

Add in a horror show and there you have it, unhinged mage stating they should all be killed for their sins, Its not an overt sign of chantry Dogma mind you considering the canticles mentioning magic it self, claim it to be a blessing from their god. But it also speaks of punishing those who misuse said gift.

 

 I don't fault her overly for those either, But i do agree with the assessment of Leliana, Mages deserve to live as much as anybody else, they just need to be locked away for the betterment of everybody else.

[KainD]

How likely is a mage to be born in Tevinter as opposed to outside of it?

 

Considering it represents a single country out of several, the probability is low.

 

What does it matter? We are just talking about being a mage.

[Master Warder Z_]

I just couldn't disagree more with Uncle Ben. The only thing power grants is freedom. Freedom from responsibility, from limitations and continuances. And if you still have responsibility, then you don't know what power is. 

 

I feel like i need to quote Darth Bane here.

[Grieving Natashina]

I feel like i need to quote Darth Bane here.

Why, to balance things out some?  Hehe, I'll convert you yet.

 

...Come to the Grey Side.  We have tea, coffee and snacks.  We also have the snacks available GF as well.