That´s like calling torture enhanced interogation
Well mages really aren't slaves. Chantry can't tell mages what to do, they just hold them locked up, but inside they are free to do whatever they want. ( if it doesn't brake the law ). So that sounds like prisoners to me.
Man, I hope the Mage/Templar isn't the main focus in future titles
People sometimes forget that in some cultures, slaves were treated better than free men. It really depended upon the master.
Food for thought.
Note: I'm staying out of the "mages are slaves" aspect to the debate, because I have mixed feelings on the matter.
Man, I hope the Mage/Templar isn't the main focus in future titles
Man, I hope the Mage/Templar isn't the main focus in future titles
Sure isn't, already confirmed.
Eh, at least their resources can be more focused on other important matters. Like education, sponsoring research, caring for the sick, homeless, and orphans, etc.
Edit: Honestly, this Templar rebellion thing and Circle breaking away sounds like a good thing for the Chantry imo. The nations can control their own circles or a new international system will be in place to govern the Circles (doubtful, but maybe). So, the Chantry doesn't have to use up so many resources on it all and spread out too thin, they do a lot even without funding the Circle. So, bigger budget for education and local chantries.
Nations gaining a monopoly over a strategic asset that had been internationalized and rendered apolitical strikes me as a very bad thing for the Chantry- the nationalization of the Circles will almost certainly see mages turned into tools of the state, and then used as tools of the state against other states. At which point you'll have more devastating wars and more destroyed Chantries, and the various sides demanding the Chantry pick a side with the dissenter schisiming away and establishing yet another Chantry.
Having more money for the sick, homeless, and orphas can quickly be surpassed by more sick, homeless, and orphas resulting from the weaponization of what are essentially already tactical WMDs.
Where?Sure isn't, already confirmed.
People sometimes forget that in some cultures, slaves were treated better than free men. It really depended upon the master.
Circle wasn't your typical prison either, much better conditions.
Sure isn't, already confirmed.
Not for DA:I, I mean if the war doesn't get resolved in DA:I and expands into future titles
Where?
What do you men where? Burning holes in the sky, demons - that's not about mages/templars.
I think Ares meant for future DA titles, after DAI.What do you men where? Burning holes in the sky, demons - that's not about mages/templars.
Sure isn't, already confirmed.
Thank goodness for that.
Well mages really aren't slaves. Chantry can't tell mages what to do, they just hold them locked up, but inside they are free to do whatever they want. ( if it doesn't brake the law ). So that sounds like prisoners to me.
They can be sent to any other circle without their consent. They have to die if the Knight Commander wants. The don´t get to have real relationships or children, if the templars are against it. It is slavery.
Man, I hope the Mage/Templar isn't the main focus in future titles
Yes,it does have to end in DA:I
People sometimes forget that in some cultures, slaves were treated better than free men. It really depended upon the master.
Food for thought.
Note: I'm staying out of the "mages are slaves" aspect to the debate, because I have mixed feelings on the matter.
Tell that to Brother Malcolm
Not for DA:I, I mean if the war doesn't get resolved in DA:I and expands into future titles
I have a feeling future titles might not take place in Dragon Age.
They can be sent to any other circle without their consent. They have to die if the Knight Commander wants. The don´t get to have real relationships or children, if the templars are against it. It is slavery.
Yeah, prisoners can be transferred between prisons as well, and if a prisoner misbehaves grossly in some countries there is a death punishment. Mages are actually allowed to have relationships and children, they are just not allowed to keep children.
@ The Elder King
I had edited my post when you were likely replying to my original one.
The Inquisition will more than likely ultimately be dissolved with its foundation intact it will go to ground and appear when needed or preside over the rest of Thedas, having gained its trust.
Nations gaining a monopoly over a strategic asset that had been internationalized and rendered apolitical strikes me as a very bad thing for the Chantry- the nationalization of the Circles will almost certainly see mages turned into tools of the state, and then used as tools of the state against other states.
That is excactly what the chantry does. They did it against the elves, the qunari and tevinter. Your theory happens to work just fine, as long as you are a citizen of orlais, but if you are not a citizen of orlais, it doesn´t work at all.
I doubt it will. Howewer, if it will end in DAI, I'm sure a lot of people will be disappointed by the outcome.
Yes,it does have to end in DA:I
The issue might still be here, unless the timeskip is for centuries.I have a feeling future titles might not take place in Dragon Age.
Yeah, prisoners can be transferred between prisons as well, and if a prisoner misbehaves grossly in some countries there is a death punishment. Mages are actually allowed to have relationships and children, they are just not allowed to keep children.
I thought even the underlined was frowned upon. They seem to look the other way at relationships, depending upon the Circle, but I thought that even relationships were a no-no, due to the risk it could have producing mage children. And I am really confused at the children part; I thought the last thing they wanted was more mage kids...?
I have a feeling future titles might not take place in Dragon Age.
They've got about 60 years left to tell.
Well mages really aren't slaves. Chantry can't tell mages what to do, they just hold them locked up, but inside they are free to do whatever they want. ( if it doesn't brake the law ). So that sounds like prisoners to me.
Well, merriam-webster defines 'prisoner' as "a person deprived of liberty and kept under involuntary restraint, confinement, or custody."
Which is pretty much indisputable and completely correct.
Whereas the most relevant definition of 'slave' is "someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay."
Which is indisputably not the case by objective facts: mages aren't owned, aren't forced to work, and when they do work it isn't without pay.
Slave and prisoner are not synonyms, and the situation of mages in the Towers is far closer to the former than the later.
Yeah, prisoners can be transferred between prisons as well, and if a prisoner misbehaves grossly in some countries there is a death punishment. Mages are actually allowed to have relationships and children, they are just not allowed to keep children.
Oh, that´s so much better.
I guess it's possible, since both versions of it emerged in difficult situation, with the goal of restore order. Can't say I'm a fan of it.@ The Elder King
I had edited my post when you were likely replying to my original one.
The Inquisition will more than likely ultimately be dissolved with its foundation intact it will go to ground and appear when needed or preside over the rest of Thedas, having gained its trust.
Oh, that´s so much better.
I agree.
I agree.
You missed the sarcasm on purpose, didn't you? 
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