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[KainD]

Xil, why do you care about the elves? Do you just roleplay one? 

[Xilizhra]

Xil, why do you care about the elves? Do you just roleplay one? 

I care about everyone living under oppression. I just don't talk as much about human commoners because there aren't any social movements in DA to liberate them, so it doesn't seem to be part of the universe yet.

[Master Warder Z_]

So he would be beating the mage on the head with his helmet? 

 

In essence.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I care about everyone living under oppression. I just don't talk as much about human commoners because there aren't any social movements in DA to liberate them, so it doesn't seem to be part of the universe yet.

Now I want the commoners to do a Magna Carta type thing in Inquisition.

[Xilizhra]

Now I want the commoners to do a Magna Carta type thing in Inquisition.

The Magna Carta was done by nobles IRL, so I don't really see how this'd work.

[KainD]

I care about everyone living under oppression. I just don't talk as much about human commoners because there aren't any social movements in DA to liberate them, so it doesn't seem to be part of the universe yet.

 

Oppression isn't ever going anywhere as long as there is authority in the first place. You have to have an anarchic society to end oppression. 

[Xilizhra]

Oppression isn't ever going anywhere as long as there is authority in the first place. You have to have an anarchic society to end oppression. 

My girlfriend is working on that, actually (which makes me slightly fear for her life, although I don't think the local fascist groups have really targeted hers). But it has to be one step at a time, and so it is in Thedas. If we can't remove it altogether, we can at least make it lighter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Magna Carta was done by nobles IRL, so I don't really see how this'd work.

It still limited the power of the royals, thus filling in some of the distance between them and commoners.

[Xilizhra]

It still limited the power of the royals, thus filling in some of the distance between them and commoners.

Ferelden, at least, seems to be in that state now.

[Iron Fist]

Oppression isn't ever going anywhere as long as there is authority in the first place. You have to have an anarchic society to end oppression. 

 

The real world international system is anarchic (lacking a central authority, since the UN cannot supersede state sovereignty).

 

States still oppress other states economically, politically, etc.

[KainD]

My girlfriend is working on that, actually (which makes me slightly fear for her life, although I don't think the local fascist groups have really targeted hers). But it has to be one step at a time, and so it is in Thedas. If we can't remove it altogether, we can at least make it lighter.

 

You have to kill so many people to make that work, it's not even funny. Why not just embrace oppression and head for the top of the food chain if you have power? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You have to kill so many people to make that work, it's not even funny. Why not just embrace oppression and head for the top of the food chain if you have power? 

And what of those who don't have the power?

[KainD]

And what of those who don't have the power?

 

They live in worse conditions. It's only natural. 

[Grieving Natashina]

And what of those who don't have the power?

Yeah, this.  

 

 

 

So, what Kain, they're not allowed to change things to improve their lot in life?  Are you sure you didn't convert to the Qun when I wasn't looking? 

[KainD]

Yeah, this.  

 

I mean it's either that, or you have to kill off every human that doesn't support complete equality and mutual wealth sharing. 

[AresKeith]

Well this just got dark after Xil showed up 

[dzs Angel]

You have to kill so many people to make that work, it's not even funny. Why not just embrace oppression and head for the top of the food chain if you have power? 

If someone powerful wouldn´t be interested in the commoners, why should he be interested in the aristocracy? Louis the 14th of France clearly stated: I am the state. 

Caesar cared for his fellow aristocrats and look what he got in return. An assassination, what a wonderful present.

[KainD]

 

So, what Kain, they're not allowed to change things to improve their lot in life?  Are you sure you didn't convert to the Qun when I wasn't looking? 

 

Although I don't agree with everything Qun has to offer, it is a much superior system to everything else in Thedas atm, imo. 

[Grieving Natashina]

@Angel Er, bit of a generalization there.  Julius was assassinated mainly due to the panic of the Roman Senate.  After the fall of the Etruscans, Rome swore to never allow a single king or ruler to govern over the Roman people.  Thus the Senate was established.  Julius came along, as a war hero and crossed the Rubicon when ordered not to, famously kicking off the civil war between him and Pompeii.  After his triumph (a rather cool battle if you're into that sort of thing) he declared himself dictator for life, and was largely on the side of the Roman plebs.  This was a fact that actually angered the old and more powerful families of Rome.  He also did very controversial moves, such as appointing a Gaul as a member of Senate.  Many of those were the factors that led to his assassination.  The city of Rome mourned his death greatly and celebrated when his appointed heir, his nephew Octavian Augustus Caeser took the title of Emperor.

[Veruin]

Well this just got dark after Xil showed up 

At least it's a fresh, new, young topic.

[Xilizhra]

@Angel Er, bit of a generalization there.  Julius was assassinated mainly due to the panic of the Roman Senate.  After the fall of the Etruscans, Rome swore to never allow a single king or ruler to govern over the Roman people.  Thus the Senate was established.  Julius came along, as a war hero and crossed the Rubicon when ordered not to, famously kicking off the civil war between him and Pompeii.  After his triumph (a rather cool battle if you're into that sort of thing) he declared himself dictator for life, and was largely on the side of the Roman plebs.  This was a fact that actually angered the old and more powerful families of Rome.  He also did very controversial moves, such as appointing a Gaul as a member of Senate.  Many of those were the factors that led to his assassination.  The city of Rome mourned his death greatly and celebrated when his appointed heir, his nephew Octavian Augustus Caeser took the title of Empire.

One correction: Augustus didn't declare himself emperor. His title was princeps, the first citizen. He was quite savvy about the whole "not being a king" thing.

[Iron Fist]

Although I don't agree with everything Qun has to offer, it is a much superior system to everything else in Thedas atm, imo. 

 

It's a system like any other. There's nothing special about it. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They live in worse conditions. It's only natural. 

So Social Darwinism is the way to go in your eyes? 

[Grieving Natashina]

One correction: Augustus didn't declare himself emperor. His title was princeps, the first citizen. He was quite savvy about the whole "not being a king" thing.

Ah, true true.  He was quite careful with his wording.

[KainD]

It's a system like any other. There's nothing special about it. 

 

There are only 2 systems out there. The system of the self and a system of the collective.