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[KainD]

So Social Darwinism is the way to go in your eyes? 

 

One of the ways to go. The other way is similar to the ways of the Qunari. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One correction: Augustus didn't declare himself emperor. His title was princeps, the first citizen. He was quite savvy about the whole "not being a king" thing.

Yeah, the first couple of centuries of the Empire, the Emperors did not being called a King because in their mind they were still serving the Republic, just in a more efficient matter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One of the ways to go. The other way is similar to the ways of the Qunari. 

Of the two, I'd rather have the Qun. Social Darwinism has always disgusted me. How anyone could advocate it is beyond me.

[KainD]

Of the two, I'd rather have the Qun. Social Darwinism has always disgusted me. How anyone could advocate it is beyond me.

 

Social Darwinism makes up all our modern society... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Social Darwinism makes up all our modern society... 

And?

 

Besides which, we at least have systems for the 'weak' to speak and influence the system, while SD doesn't.

[KainD]

And?

 

Fair enough. 

[Iron Fist]

There are only 2 systems out there. The system of the self and a system of the collective. 

 

Is there really a distinction? In any system, there is interaction among multiple individuals. The self is defined against other people. A collective is necessary.

[KainD]

Besides which, we at least have systems for the 'weak' to speak and influence the system, while SD doesn't.

 

SD can very easily have systems for the weak, you don't necessary have to be a complete jack if you are at the top of the ladder, and making weak as happy is possible while keeping them weak is good, because it promotes safety. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

SD can very easily have systems for the weak, you don't necessary have to be a complete jack if you are at the top of the ladder, and making weak as happy is possible while keeping them weak is good, because it promotes safety. 

Yeah, because if Thedas has taught us anything, it's that the governments desire safety for all the people they govern. Oh wait, they don't.

[KainD]

Is there really a distinction? In any system, there is interaction among multiple individuals. The self is defined against other people. A collective is necessary.

 

In a collective system, self matches priorities of other people as opposed to social Darwinism. 

[KainD]

Yeah, because if Thedas has taught us anything, it's that the governments desire safety for all the people they govern. Oh wait, they don't.

 

No they desire safety for themselves, from said people. 

[dzs Angel]

@Angel Er, bit of a generalization there.  Julius was assassinated mainly due to the panic of the Roman Senate.  After the fall of the Etruscans, Rome swore to never allow a single king or ruler to govern over the Roman people.  Thus the Senate was established.  Julius came along, as a war hero and crossed the Rubicon when ordered not to, famously kicking off the civil war between him and Pompeii.  After his triumph (a rather cool battle if you're into that sort of thing) he declared himself dictator for life, and was largely on the side of the Roman plebs.  This was a fact that actually angered the old and more powerful families of Rome.  He also did very controversial moves, such as appointing a Gaul as a member of Senate.  Many of those were the factors that led to his assassination.  The city of Rome mourned his death greatly and celebrated when his appointed heir, his nephew Octavian Augustus Caeser took the title of Emperor.

 

Yes, you are right. I don´t consider Caesar to be a tyrant. I was just referring to Kain´s example. You either lead with the consent of the people or you do anything to get rid of your competition. You can´t servive as primus inter pares in an aristocracy. One way or the other, you have to deal with your rivals. I myself prefer democracy and the consent of the people.

One correction: Augustus didn't declare himself emperor. His title was princeps, the first citizen. He was quite savvy about the whole "not being a king" thing.

Yes,absolutely.

[Iron Fist]

In a collective system, self matches priorities of other people as opposed to social Darwinism. 

 

Either way, an individual must take into account others. One must (or will necessarily be) aware of other people's priorities, regardless of whether they match.

[KainD]

Either way, an individual must take into account others. One must (or will necessarily be) aware of other people's priorities, regardless of whether they match.

 

Being aware of other peoples priorities =/= taking those into account. 

[Daerog]

Nations gaining a monopoly over a strategic asset that had been internationalized and rendered apolitical strikes me as a very bad thing for the Chantry- the nationalization of the Circles will almost certainly see mages turned into tools of the state, and then used as tools of the state against other states. At which point you'll have more devastating wars and more destroyed Chantries, and the various sides demanding the Chantry pick a side with the dissenter schisiming away and establishing yet another Chantry.

 

Having more money for the sick, homeless, and orphas can quickly be surpassed by more sick, homeless, and orphas resulting from the weaponization of what are essentially already tactical WMDs.

 

Uhg, ya, that is a good point.... that's what I get for trying to see the silver lining in some things... 

 

Here's to hoping the Inquisition becomes the magic monitors. Maybe?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No they desire safety for themselves, from said people. 

Any ruler who puts themselves before those they rule does not deserve their position.

[TK514]

Well, we had a good thing going with most of the hot Mage on Templar action confined to one thread, but that appears to have finally faded. It will be a shame to see this thread end. So close to 300 pages. We coulda been somebody.

We coulda been a contender.

[Shadow Fox]

I sometimes wonder if Kain is just trolling when he posts this stuff.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, we had a good thing going with most of the hot Mage on Templar action confined to one thread, but that appears to have finally faded. It will be a shame to see this thread end. So close to 300 pages. We coulda been somebody.

We coulda been a contender.

What do you mean? 

[KainD]

Any ruler who puts themselves before those they rule does not deserve their position.

 

No one deserves anything, also if people care about each other there is no need for a ruler. 

[Grieving Natashina]

What do you mean? 

Yeah, the debate is still going on as we speak.  

[KainD]

I sometimes wonder if Kain is just trolling when he posts this stuff.

 

Your not alone. 

[AresKeith]

I sometimes wonder if Kain is just trolling when he posts this stuff.

 

From what I heard from people who knew him in the past, that's most likely

[KainD]

From what I heard from people who knew him in the past, that's most likely

 

That's.. actually surprising. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Well, we had a good thing going with most of the hot Mage on Templar action confined to one thread, but that appears to have finally faded. It will be a shame to see this thread end. So close to 300 pages. We coulda been somebody.

We coulda been a contender.

 

So close but yet so far.