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[Divine Justinia V]

*snip*

 

He looks perfect.

[Iron Fist]

Non-mages will help fight the demons, not help the mages. 

 

I play a dwarf and I'm helping mages. 

[Grieving Natashina]

No one should speak for the desires of every mage.  Some might be happy to return to live under the Chantry.  The mistake some pro-Mage posters make is the same one Anders made: Assuming that all mages want the same thing.

 

The same can be said for the Templars, for that matter.

[KainD]

I play a dwarf and I'm helping mages. 

 

Why? 

[LobselVith8]

To clarify: I'm not suggesting that the Dalish should, morally speaking, destroy all humans or that this is a desirable action for any character to undertake. What I've said is primarily a hope for some sort of third-party or environmental action that evens out population numbers (the Ghost Dance thing wouldn't have to be fatal).

However, retaking the Dales will require no ethnic cleansing. Those humans who wish to remain living under elven government will be free to do so.

I see at least two nations the Inquisitor can help lean in a pro-mage position: the Dales and Ferelden.

A free Dales would be a nation of free mages and non-mages as well, if the Dalish play a significant role in emancipating the kingdom from Orlesian governance. An autonomous kingdom of the Dales could give the elven mages a sanctuary, since a plethora of Andrastian humans will continue to see elves as less than people. A nation where mages and non-mages live together, like they did centuries ago in the Dales, and in the Dalish clans.

The same could also be true for Ferelden, given how the Hero of Ferelden from the nation's Circle of Magi can publicly ask for the mages to be given their independence from the Chantry, and the ruler will agree that the mages have earned the right to govern themselves. Queen Anora can decree support for this royal boon, and her husband supports it several years later in debate with Meredith. With the dissolution of Chantry control, perhaps the Inquisitor can aid the mages in keeping their freedom from the templars trying to cut them down.

[Iron Fist]

Why? 

 

My woman is a mage. 

 

And magic is cool. What's wrong with dat? 

[KainD]

My woman is a mage. 

 

And magic is cool. What's wrong with dat? 

 

Fair enough. 

[LobselVith8]

Yes, but is it a mage centered future, or a thedosian future? They broke free, but will they remain separate from the rest of society or rejoin it? Will they share or dominate? Will they give concessions or give demands? Will they bend the knee to local lords or give them a boot to the face?

This is a big question for the mages, will they try to remain as a separate society like the Dalish or try to reintegrate themselves with the different nations and societies and take on the chains that comes with?

I think it would vary, depending on the region. I can imagine some elven mages heading to the Dalish in some areas, while other regions might seek to build their own societies, or focus entirely on mounting a defense against the templars. It depends on the local leaders as well.

[Daerog]

 

They will create a society they like, that´s the beauty of it.

 

So, a mage centered society? Like the kind KainD mentioned?

 

What do they like? What will they like? Do they want a second Tevinter (benevolent or not, whatever, just a mage dominated society that isn't tribal)?

 

If they make their own society, carve out their own empire, then it may end up being the Fall of the Dales but this time with mages. They will have to make nice with their neighbors, but how after all this magic chaos that has happened with the Veil tearing and such? Could make nice with Tevinter, I suppose, and then have political dealings with the city states of the free marshes, maybe give support to Nevarra's rivalry with Orlais. They have options, yes, just wondering what they would do and what would be best. Because a society they like will likely not work out and they will have to make a society that works, an ideal one won't work unless other nations are on board with it.

 

If they integrate back into society... what am I saying? They will always be in society, they can't separate from the nations, just the Circle can, but the new generations will remain with the nations they are born in and have to deal with whatever system that nation has in place. A nation may no longer allow their citizens join the Circle if they no longer approve of the Circle.

 

The second mage nation will grow, mundanes will outnumber the mages in that nation eventually, the mages outside that nation will continue, may end up in a new kind of Circle system. And so Thedas continues, with just a second Tevinter.

 

Unless the mages choose to not separate themselves, and just advocate mage freedoms in all the nations, but won't make sweeping changes of course... unless they decide to conquer the nations...

 

Eh, just rambling now...

[KainD]

unless they decide to conquer the nations...

 

That's the way to go.

[Steelcan]

And its still going

[Divine Justinia V]

And its still going

 

Does it ever stop?

[Daerog]

I think it would vary, depending on the region. I can imagine some elven mages heading to the Dalish in some areas, while other regions might seek to build their own societies, or focus entirely on mounting a defense against the templars. It depends on the local leaders as well.

 

So, just trying to reintegrate into society the best they can and hope that the changes, if any, that they made will last. Breaking up into multiple societies is asking for them to remain clandestine or be removed or assimilated one by one into a larger group. Like Tevinter taking over any small nations in the north to "protect" them or being cut off economically from neighbors who don't like them or whatever.

 

Some nations may be more supportive and mages will flock there, but wouldn't it be turned into a new mage dominated society? Perhaps that nation has super new and cool magic police, but will the mage politicians keep with that or find ways around it?

 

Still, when everything settles, it will end up being how nice the mages played it with all the nations, how supportive and such they are, if mages want future mages to remain free throughout Thedas. So, that means putting some chains back on when it comes to lobbying all the nations.

 

Or the current Circle mages can not care and just take care of their own.

[Steelcan]

Does it ever stop?

 

This is like the geth/quarian debate on the ME forum

 

Same voices saying the same things over and over again

 

 

Though at least we used to have Auld Wulf in those debates, he was fun

[Divine Justinia V]

This is like the geth/quarian debate on the ME forum

 

Same voices saying the same things over and over again

 

 

Though at least we used to have Auld Wulf in those debates, he was fun

 

Imagine how it'll be when DA:I actually comes out.

[Daerog]

That's the way to go.

 

Ya, I'm starting to see that is the end game. Society dominated by the superhumans (maybe an elf here and there). Reminds me of Avatar TLAB a bit.

 

Guess the only way for an ideal solution is to cut everyone off from the Fade or make everyone able to be potentially mages. Problems with the latter being more targets for demons, problems with the former being everyone forced to live underground with the dwarves forever.

 

I guess it will just have to be a struggle for all time or a submission of the mundanes or mages.

[Steelcan]

Imagine how it'll be when DA:I actually comes out.

 

I think everyone is gonna be in shock that they can't enact their headcanon fantasy into the game

[KainD]

This is like the geth/quarian debate on the ME forum

 

 

That geth/quarian war, it's so much less sophisticated than the mage/templar one. 

[Steelcan]

That geth/quarian war, it's so much less sophisticated than the mage/templar one. 

mmm perhaps

[Shadow Fox]

I think everyone is gonna be in shock that they can't enact their headcanon fantasy into the game

Not me I can be a female Elf all is right in the world again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not me I can be a female Elf all is right in the world again.

Yeah, I'm just glad they brought back race selection(minus the 'No City Elf' news). Other than that, I don't have any real expectations of the game on how it will handle situations. 

[The Baconer]

Ya, I'm starting to see that is the end game. Society dominated by the superhumans (maybe an elf here and there).

 

SO BEGINS A NEW AGE OF KNOWLEDGE

 

[dzs Angel]

So, just trying to reintegrate into society the best they can and hope that the changes, if any, that they made will last. Breaking up into multiple societies is asking for them to remain clandestine or be removed or assimilated one by one into a larger group. Like Tevinter taking over any small nations in the north to "protect" them or being cut off economically from neighbors who don't like them or whatever.

 

Some nations may be more supportive and mages will flock there, but wouldn't it be turned into a new mage dominated society? Perhaps that nation has super new and cool magic police, but will the mage politicians keep with that or find ways around it?

 

Still, when everything settles, it will end up being how nice the mages played it with all the nations, how supportive and such they are, if mages want future mages to remain free throughout Thedas. So, that means putting some chains back on when it comes to lobbying all the nations.

 

Or the current Circle mages can not care and just take care of their own.

Why should they play nice with anyone. They have been enslaved and abused for centuries, why should they put up with anyone? The deal is, the qunari changed the game. Every nation has to keep in mind, that they need an army strong enough to fight the next qunari invasion. They can´t just go to war and subjugate other nations, cause in that case the qunari would seize the opportunity and attack. They are not stupid after all. They know a weákend enemy is an opportunity like everybody else does. The nations of thedas need to think about everything they wanna do very carefully, or they will be conquered. Add to the mix the ungoing civilwar in orlais and the elves as well as the mages have a shot at securing their own realm, as well as a chance to keep it for good.

[wcholcombe]

Not gonna reply to the largely head cannon of the last 10 pages but I will say this.

Lawful good you bunch of pansies.

[Master Warder Z_]

@Angel Er, bit of a generalization there.  Julius was assassinated mainly due to the panic of the Roman Senate.  After the fall of the Etruscans, Rome swore to never allow a single king or ruler to govern over the Roman people.  Thus the Senate was established.  Julius came along, as a war hero and crossed the Rubicon when ordered not to, famously kicking off the civil war between him and Pompeii.  After his triumph (a rather cool battle if you're into that sort of thing) he declared himself dictator for life, and was largely on the side of the Roman plebs.  This was a fact that actually angered the old and more powerful families of Rome.  He also did very controversial moves, such as appointing a Gaul as a member of Senate.  Many of those were the factors that led to his assassination.  The city of Rome mourned his death greatly and celebrated when his appointed heir, his nephew Octavian Augustus Caeser took the title of Emperor.

 

He was also due to the great love held for him by the common people given the first place in the pantheon opened for a mortal man since Romulus the founder of Rome it self.

 

He was raised to deity status, a fact often overlooked, he wouldn't be the last dictator raised there but he would be the greatest.