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[Lulupab]

Not really

 

Outnumbering is the only Darkspawn strategy. They can't even cross waters. All Islands of Thedas has been safe from all blights in history.

[AresKeith]

Outnumbering is the only Darkspawn strategy. They can't even cross waters. All Islands of Thedas has been safe from all blights in history.

 

Dragonflight pretty much answered it for me. The Darkspawn are overall a bigger threat than the Qunari 

[dragonflight288]

Qunari are more dangerous than Darkspawn who are predictable and never have any strategies, they just pour over the land. 

 

They control the deep roads, which span across all of thedas. They don't need ships. They can go anywhere they like. 

 

As and example, I'll use ogres. Ogres are made out of qunari women-turned broodmother, yet there are very few qunari settlements in Ferelden, if any, but the ogres were there. 

[Lulupab]

Dragonflight pretty much answered it for me. The Darkspawn are overall a bigger threat than the Qunari 

 

Yet they were always defeated considerably easy except the first blight that it took some time for greywardens to appear. If there is enough soldiers to distract the horde the Grey Wardens can always target the archdemon and kill it. If you are talking about Dwarves then its another matter...

[Lulupab]

They control the deep roads, which span across all of thedas. They don't need ships. They can go anywhere they like. 

 

As and example, I'll use ogres. Ogres are made out of qunari women-turned broodmother, yet there are very few qunari settlements in Ferelden, if any, but the ogres were there. 

 

Deep roads don't go under the water. I.E there are no deep roads or dwarven cities on Seheron.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So practically Darkspawn are fooled by an army while a handful of grey wardens kill the archdemon. Oooh so intelligent and brilliant strategy. The Qunari are much more dangerous.

 

Eee not rly? if that was so easy blight wouldn't stand for decades and nope that doesn't work like that archdemon can communicate with darkspawn and request for help but eventually badass shows up and kill archdemon...

[TK514]

Actually, most people seem to believe strongly in the Chantry as devout Andrastians. I'm sure most people aren't aware of the politicking that happened between Justinia and Lambert, only that the seekers and the templars have gone rogue. 
 
I'm pretty sure I remember someone, somewhere in the book said something like that. If I'm wrong, then I'll just have to say "woops" but the Chantry no longer has the political clout or the military arm to enforce anything. At this point, the threat of an Exalted March is almost laughable with how little power the Chantry now has. 
 
It'll be interesting to see how the Chantry develops when all they have are likely to be a handful of templars and seekers, maybe a few loyalists, and their sugar daddy country Orlais too busy fighting itself to help them out.

A couple of things:

How will your average person know that the Templars have split with the Chantry? It's not as though they had Wolf Blitzer reporting live from the White Spire during the proceedings. Some will probably notice that there are fewer Templars around their local Chantry, but I doubt the local Revered Mother is going to be advertising the rift. In the two places with the most recent (attempted) Annulments, the Templars don't even have reason to leave. Kirkwall will remain a seat of Templar power with them firmly in control of the Gallows, and Rivain would be a Circle recently cleansed of Mages, also with the Templars still firmly in control of the facility. Locals in either place would likely see little change from normal. Templars that remain loyal to the Chantry would further cloud the issue. Then there's this whole Veil Tear problem causing its own brand of confusion and communications disruption, Word will certainly get around eventually, but by the time it becomes widespread enough to matter, the conflict may be over.

Second, the Templars and Seekers are not the source of the Chantry's power, nor what allows them to call an Exalted March and be obeyed. The people, the teeming masses, are the source of that power. And as you yourself have said, those masses believe by choice, not coercion. If an Exalted March is called, various nations will respond or not for the reasons they always have: self-interest and the temper of the masses, neither of which should be overtly swayed by the activities of the Church's anti-Mage force.

[KainD]

Yes rest of Thedas is destroying itself while Tevinter is fighting the true enemy of Thedas.

 

Tevinter is as much a true enemy of Thedas as the Qunari are. Had it not been for the Qunari, Tevinter would invade other countries instead. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They probably want to, anyway.

[dzs Angel]

The Qunari are busy fighting Tevinter

 

The Qunari view the mages as bugs trying to fight the ineviteable.

Yes rest of Thedas is destroying itself while Tevinter is fighting the true enemy of Thedas.

 

Edit: Hmm so Tevinter is based on Byzantine empire right? And they fought Ottomans who happened to have very advanced gun power. I'm not implying anything but the evidence is all over it.

 

Saladin´s achievements are most impressive.

But, and here's the important part- are the Qunari having much of their resources tied down by it? Enough to be considered 'busy' in a strategic sense?

 

You are right. I believe the bulk of their army isn´t even part of the war against Tevinter.

They control the deep roads, which span across all of thedas. They don't need ships. They can go anywhere they like. 

 

As and example, I'll use ogres. Ogres are made out of qunari women-turned broodmother, yet there are very few qunari settlements in Ferelden, if any, but the ogres were there. 

 

Tal Vashoth

A couple of things:

How will your average person know that the Templars have split with the Chantry? It's not as though they had Wolf Blitzer reporting live from the White Spire during the proceedings. Some will probably notice that there are fewer Templars around their local Chantry, but I doubt the local Revered Mother is going to be advertising the rift. In the two places with the most recent (attempted) Annulments, the Templars don't even have reason to leave. Kirkwall will remain a seat of Templar power with them firmly in control of the Gallows, and Rivain would be a Circle recently cleansed of Mages, also with the Templars still firmly in control of the facility. Locals in either place would likely see little change from normal. Templars that remain loyal to the Chantry would further cloud the issue. Then there's this whole Veil Tear problem causing its own brand of confusion and communications disruption, Word will certainly get around eventually, but by the time it becomes widespread enough to matter, the conflict may be over.

Second, the Templars and Seekers are not the source of the Chantry's power, nor what allows them to call an Exalted March and be obeyed. The people, the teeming masses, are the source of that power. And as you yourself have said, those masses believe by choice, not coercion. If an Exalted March is called, various nations will respond or not for the reasons they always have: self-interest and the temper of the masses, neither of which should be overtly swayed by the activities of the Church's anti-Mage force.

I completely agree with the first part of your assessment. But the people have never been told about the conditions the mages had to endure. They just believed in the maker and the chantry. Now they are harrassed and killed by Red Templars, for all we know, they are the only templars in this war, or the main body of the templar army. This will definitly change the opinion about templars concerning the commoners. The mages doing their utmost to spread the story. For the last 1000 years the chantry was protecting humanity from mage oppression in the eyes of the population. Now the population is threatened by Bloodmages and Red Templars. I don´t see volunteers fighting beside templars for the foreseeable future, if the templars would agree to a second joining of the chantry. So exalted marches will loose most of their strength.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Qunari view the mages as bugs trying to fight the ineviteable.

 

And yet they have been contesting Par Vollen and Sehron with them for what? 

 

Nearly three centuries or so?

 

If the Magisters were "Bugs" as you put it, why would that stalemate still be ongoing?
 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They control the deep roads, which span across all of thedas. They don't need ships. They can go anywhere they like. 

 

As and example, I'll use ogres. Ogres are made out of qunari women-turned broodmother, yet there are very few qunari settlements in Ferelden, if any, but the ogres were there. 

 

Ogres are explained by the Kossith settlements they darkspawn destroyed during the First Blight. Any ogres are presumably left over since then, which explains why they are rare enough to be usually only seen in Blights.

[TK514]

I completely agree with the first part of your assessment. But the people have never been told about the conditions the mages had to endure. They just believed in the maker and the chantry. Now they are harrassed and killed by Red Templars, for all we know, they are the only templars in this war, or the main body of the templar army. This will definitly change the opinion about templars concerning the commoners. The mages doing their utmost to spread the story. For last 1000 years the chantry was protecting humanity from mage oppression in the eyes of the population. Now the population is threatened by Bloodmages and Red Templars. I don´t see volunteers fighting beside templars for the foreseeable future. So exalted marches will loose most fo their strength.

Well, if the Chantry called an Exalted March while the Templars were otherwise engaged, volunteers wouldn't be fighting next to Templars anyway. Not that I suspect there was much in the way of joint operations in previous Marches.

And I doubt your average citizen would have much sympathy for the Mage plight upon hearing about how they actually live. Noble accommodations, free education, no backbreaking dawn-to-dusk manual labor, no concerns over money, food, taxes, or any of other hardships commoners deal with every day of their live, plus the ability to bend reality at a whim? Certainly, as Cullen said, there is the image of the poor apprentice in chains, but I suspect that would quickly fade in the face of soft reality. And the actual hardship Mages do face, Tranquility foremost among them, most commoners won't have the same understanding and frame of reference to judge it as we do. To many of them, being freed of magic would seem like a gift to Mages, not a punishment.

[Grieving Natashina]

And yet they have been contesting Par Vollen and Sehron with them for what? 

 

Nearly three centuries or so?

 

If the Magisters were "Bugs" as you put it, why would that stalemate still be ongoing?
 

First off, morning Z.

 

You need to double check Angel's post.  Angel didn't say that was her(?) feelings, only that they felt the Qunari viewed Tevinter that way.  I'm inclined to believe that too, given what I know about the Qunari.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Par Vollen isn't contested by anyone. Qunari rule seems to be absolute. Only tiny pockets of Seheron are in Imperial control.

[LobselVith8]

Ogres are explained by the Kossith settlements they darkspawn destroyed during the First Blight. Any ogres are presumably left over since then, which explains why they are rare enough to be usually only seen in Blights.

 

I certainly think the early Kossith settlements and the Qunari settlement in the Anderfels explains some of the Ogres, but I don't think it's impossible for the Deep Roads to reach out to the islands that the Qunari control. The Deep Roads are as vast as the continent of Thedas, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some cavernous areas on Par Vollen and Seheron.

[Master Warder Z_]

First off, morning Z.

 

You need to double check Angel's post.  Angel didn't say that was her(?) feelings, only that they felt the Qunari viewed Tevinter that way.  I'm inclined to believe that too, given what I know about the Qunari.

 

Sten gave personal indicators of distaste for the Magisters but he also viewed them as...what did he call them, Mage Lords? He purposely attached a title to the end of it.

 

Aka i'd argue he views them as at least worth foes.

 

My point was though, Military capacity. Which was clearly what was being indicated, Viewing as bugs indicates a society, caste or group that cannot harm you or stand against, and they did just that for the prior three centuries.

[Master Warder Z_]

Par Vollen isn't contested by anyone. Qunari rule seems to be absolute. Only tiny pockets of Seheron are in Imperial control.

 

We thought that before we learned it was under assault during the Qunari wars and even being invaded during them in WOT, Furthermore it like Seheron was originally in the dominion of the Imperium, only makes sense they would want it back too.

 

*Mocking voice* "Only tiny pockets of Seheron are under imperial control"

 

 Add in the fog warriors, combating both factions, The Imperium launching an invasion every other year and you have the stage as it sat for the past...two hundred and sixty or so odd years.

 

  Personally i'd look at the campaign in the light of this, both sides are still fighting over it with out gaining advantage over the other faction, if there clearly was one side dominating the conflict then it would end. The Qunari do not fight needlessly, nor do they seem to prolong conflict for the sake it.

[TK514]

I certainly think the early Kossith settlements and the Qunari settlement in the Anderfels explains some of the Ogres, but I don't think it's impossible for the Deep Roads to reach out to the islands that the Qunari control. The Deep Roads are as vast as the continent of Thedas, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some cavernous areas on Par Vollen and Seheron.

I seem to recall ogres are a result of an early attempt at Qunari settlement in the south of the Kokari Wilds. And I think you're right that the deep roads don't extend to Par Vollen.

[Master Warder Z_]

I seem to recall ogres are a result of an early attempt at Qunari settlement in the south of the Kokari Wilds.

 

Yeah i recall the same.

[dzs Angel]

And yet they have been contesting Par Vollen and Sehron with them for what? 

 

Nearly three centuries or so?

 

If the Magisters were "Bugs" as you put it, why would that stalemate still be ongoing?
 

Because the Qunari are building up a force for the next invasion.

 

Well, if the Chantry called an Exalted March while the Templars were otherwise engaged, volunteers wouldn't be fighting next to Templars anyway. Not that I suspect there was much in the way of joint operations in previous Marches.

And I doubt your average citizen would have much sympathy for the Mage plight upon hearing about how they actually live. Noble accommodations, free education, no backbreaking dawn-to-dusk manual labor, no concerns over money, food, taxes, or any of other hardships commoners deal with every day of their live, plus the ability to bend reality at a whim? Certainly, as Cullen said, there is the image of the poor apprentice in chains, but I suspect that would quickly fade in the face of soft reality. And the actual hardship Mages do face, Tranquility foremost among them, most commoners won't have the same understanding and frame of reference to judge it as we do. To many of them, being freed of magic would seem like a gift to Mages, not a punishment.

 

I completely agree, the population won´t shed any tears over mages like Vivienne or Orsinus or Uldred. But they are faced with the danger of the Red Templars(like we have  seen at PAX). I am not saying, they would prefer the mages, but that they would at least dislike( probably even worth) the templars from now on. Thus they wouldn´t be inclined to join any exalted march for the foreseeable future. They don´t hate or envy mages for their power, they are afraid of their power. And now, they are afraid of the templars as well. And I don´t believe fear will keep them in line.

First off, morning Z.

 

You need to double check Angel's post.  Angel didn't say that was her(?) feelings, only that they felt the Qunari viewed Tevinter that way.  I'm inclined to believe that too, given what I know about the Qunari.

Sorry honey, I am a guy. But you are right, it is not my point of view.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oops, sorry Angel. That's why I get for assuming pronouns. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Because the Qunari are building up a force for the next invasion.

 

I'm sure the assumptions of a random Imperium slave will prove entirely accurate.

 

 

Even if they were, then why wouldn't they close that front? It's just a waste of resources then, surrender the stupid island.

 

Qunari waste nothing remember?

 

Wasting Soldiers fighting over an island with no strategic importance makes little sense to me.

[wcholcombe]

 

 

 

I completely agree, the population won´t shed any tears over mages like Vivienne or Orsinus or Uldred. But they are faced with the danger of the Red Templars(like we have  seen at PAX). I am not saying, they would prefer the mages, but that they would at least dislike( probably even worth) the templars from now on. Thus they wouldn´t be inclined to join any exalted march for the foreseeable future. They don´t hate or envy mages for their power, they are afraid of their power. And now, they are afraid of the templars as well. And I don´t believe fear will keep them in line.

 

Well, considering the Chantry and Templars split I don't see the red templars affecting the chantry.  Also, just because there are crazy templars running around, isn't going to make people suddenly  like mages.  Have you read Asunder?  I am sure you have from our previous discussions, the peasants in that tavern certainly seemed to hate the mages enough to threaten them even with a Templar there.

[wcholcombe]

I seem to recall ogres are a result of an early attempt at Qunari settlement in the south of the Kokari Wilds. And I think you're right that the deep roads don't extend to Par Vollen.

Yes the ogres come from that early settlement.  And just because the roads don't extend to par vollen doesn't mean the darkspawn can't tunnel there if they wanted.