Yes the ogres come from that early settlement. And just because the roads don't extend to par vollen doesn't mean the darkspawn can't tunnel there if they wanted.
True, although wouldn't that require tunneling underneath an actual ocean? That seems a little harder to pull off, because the darkspawn would have to go extremely deep.
Yes the ogres come from that early settlement. And just because the roads don't extend to par vollen doesn't mean the darkspawn can't tunnel there if they wanted.
*Pictures that conversation between the hivemind*
Darkspawn Overseer:Yes let us tunnel in this random direction!
Random Darkspawn: But shouldn't we heed the call?
DO: Forget the call! We must find Qunari!...For some reason...I forget why...
RD: ....
*Pictures that conversation between the hivemind*
Darkspawn Overseer:Yes let us tunnel in this random direction!
Random Darkspawn: But shouldn't we heed the call?
DO: Forget the call! We must find Qunari!...For some reason...I forget why...
RD: ....
I don't think the Darkspawn are going to "just" tunnel" under an ocean. It would be quite the feat of engineering, and probably beyond the capabilities of the Darkspawn.
I'm sure the assumptions of a random Imperium slave will prove entirely accurate.
Even if they were, then why wouldn't they close that front? It's just a waste of resources then, surrender the stupid island.
Qunari waste nothing remember?
Wasting Soldiers fighting over an island with no strategic importance makes little sense to me.
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Spoken like a true imperial
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Verdun, First World War would be a fine example for that strategy
Well, considering the Chantry and Templars split I don't see the red templars affecting the chantry. Also, just because there are crazy templars running around, isn't going to make people suddenly like mages. Have you read Asunder? I am sure you have from our previous discussions, the peasants in that tavern certainly seemed to hate the mages enough to threaten them even with a Templar there.
You should have read the entire post. I agreed on the issue. I just pointed out that the population from now on will hate the templars all the same, because they are being slaughtered by Red Templars. TK pointed out the fact, that the normal population in these times isn´t as educated as we are. So they wouldn´t make a difference between chantry,templars or red templars. Thus it would effect the reputation of the chantry as well as the templars.
The entire First World War could be used as an example of waste of human life in generally with little to no gain at all.
I don't think the Darkspawn are going to "just" tunnel" under an ocean. It would be quite the feat of engineering, and probably beyond the capabilities of the Darkspawn.
Indeed. Tunneling underneath stone is one thing, but through an ocean would be beyond their abilities.
We thought that before we learned it was under assault during the Qunari wars and even being invaded during them in WOT, Furthermore it like Seheron was originally in the dominion of the Imperium, only makes sense they would want it back too.
*Mocking voice* "Only tiny pockets of Seheron are under imperial control"
Add in the fog warriors, combating both factions, The Imperium launching an invasion every other year and you have the stage as it sat for the past...two hundred and sixty or so odd years.
Personally i'd look at the campaign in the light of this, both sides are still fighting over it with out gaining advantage over the other faction, if there clearly was one side dominating the conflict then it would end. The Qunari do not fight needlessly, nor do they seem to prolong conflict for the sake it.
Par Vollen was under assault during the Qunari Wars? According to who?
The Fog Warriors rebellion says nothing about the Imperium's ability to resist the Qunari. And the recent state of the Island has only been so for about 85 years. The Qunari surrender it back to the Imperium after the Llomerryn Accord. They reconquered it in from Tevinter in the Blessed Age. Since then the Imperium has launched invasions to retake it but they have all failed. Since most of the island is under Qunari control I'd say they most definitely have the advantage over all their opponents.
Fenris isn't just some random Tevinter slave. He was in Seheron for much of his life. He even spent some time there after he was free. He's obviously encountered enough Qunari to know something about their culture.
Seheron does have strategic value. It's much easier to invade Tevinter and the rest of Thedas from the Seheron Coast than Par Vollen.
My best bet is: There are going to be 3 different groups forming the bulk of the surviving mages.
1. Pro Tevinter
This Group will probably join the magisters
2. Elven Mages
If the Dales will be reestablished, it is safe to assume most elven mages will join théir brethren.
3. The Independence ( Mages like Fiona and Anders)
a ) Create a state of their own as a safehaven for mages
b ) Join Ferelden ( if a future Mage King or Primeminister Connor is possible)
c ) Destroy The chantry( or at least the circle system) to ensure safety for mages in all of thedas
More like this:
1. If they want to go seek refuge in Tevinter let them.
2. I highly doubt this. Most elves in the circle don't even seem to be of dalish origin. I don't see Orsino going and living among the dalish. Just an example.
3. Ferelden ain't practicing free mages. Also, the mages have to worry about the Templars first, going after the Chantry is the least of their concerns. Especially a Chantry headed by a Divine who in the end was in part responsible for their freedom.
They have to have the numbers to do all this.
According to Asunder, there are only a few hundred free mages there. They will have issues standing firm if they are all together, much less if they splinter off into all these seperate groups.
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Absolutely. But like I said, I don´t care for slavers or people who are willing to join an empire based on and created by slavery.
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a ) The Dalish are willing to accept almost every fellow elf( example: Dalish Origin, DAO´s Elves in the wood, Wynne´s former pupil, etc.).
b ) There already is an elven uprising( book: The masked Empire), even if it fails the dalish will have a lot of new citizens from the alienages. So they might as well incorparate a few mages as well.
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Orlais is weakend on several fronts:
a ) Civil war
b ) Mage-templar war
c ) the templars split from the chantry, so they are not taking orlaisian commands anymore
d ) elven uprising in the alienages
e) possible Qunari invasion. Like I said, the Qunari are not stupid. They realize an opportunity, and a weakend Orlais is an opportunity to attack.
2. We don't actually know the elves are uprising in that book unless some new info has come out. We know the elves will play an important role, this could just mean they support Celene against Gaspard. They may be uprising, but in Asunder it was mentioned as a rumor and I haven't seen anything saying they are uprising.
3. Orlais never got its power from the freaking templars anyway. Its called Chevaliers, that is how Orlais has conquered all that territory. They have basically the finest heavy calvary in the world. So unless William Wallace is coming out of the wilds to teach the world how to use large sharpened poles against heavy calvary, Orlais aint gonna be missing the Templars.
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Spoken like a true imperial
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Verdun, First World War would be a fine example for that strategy
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Did you just refer to me as a citizen of the Imperium?
._. Cus that's sort of laughable.
And random historic battle is somehow significant here?
West Wall Offensive! Hurtgen Forest! Nashville, Kabul!
._. I can do it too.
*Pictures that conversation between the hivemind*
Darkspawn Overseer:Yes let us tunnel in this random direction!
Random Darkspawn: But shouldn't we heed the call?
DO: Forget the call! We must find Qunari!...For some reason...I forget why...
RD: ....
Forget the bird, follow the river!
I don't think the Darkspawn are going to "just" tunnel" under an ocean. It would be quite the feat of engineering, and probably beyond the capabilities of the Darkspawn.
Who says there isn't an OG under Seheron or Par Vollen.
Personally the sheer idea that the darkspawn tunnel as well as they do impresses me. Its amazing what near limitless numbers and near mindless devotion to something can accomplish.
Who says there isn't an OG under Seheron or Par Vollen.
Personally the sheer idea that the darkspawn tunnel as well as they do impresses me. Its amazing what near limitless numbers and near mindless devotion to something can accomplish.
While that might be very well be true, they would still have to tunnel through a freaking ocean. It would take them a very long time to do that, if it were even possible.
I did it too.
If my comparison is true aka Tevinter is Byzantine empire and the Qunari Ottoman empire (a nation with very advanced gun power), if Byzantine falls half of the Europe follows. So Tevinter is like a wall against Qunari, just as how Byzantine was a wall against ottoman invasion of Europe.
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Spoken like a true imperial
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Verdun, First World War would be a fine example for that strategy
You should have read the entire post. I agreed on the issue. I just pointed out that the population from now on will hate the templars all the same, because they are being slaughtered by Red Templars. TK pointed out the fact, that the normal population in these times isn´t as educated as we are. So they wouldn´t make a difference between chantry,templars or red templars. Thus it would effect the reputation of the chantry as well as the templars.
Yes, but when you consider the role of the Chantry as basically the internet, evening news, and newspaper all rolled into one, I am pretty certain they will distance themselves from the red templars very quickly if not all templars period.
Par Vollen was under assault during the Qunari Wars? According to who?
The Fog Warriors rebellion says nothing about the Imperium's ability to resist the Qunari. And the recent state of the Island has only been so for about 85 years. The Qunari surrender it back to the Imperium after the Llomerryn Accord. They reconquered it in from Tevinter in the Blessed Age. Since then the Imperium has launched invasions to retake it but they have all failed. Since most of the island is under Qunari control I'd say they most definitely have the advantage over all their opponents.
Fenris isn't just some random Tevinter slave. He was in Seheron for much of his life. He even spent some time there after he was free. He's obviously encountered enough Qunari to know something about their culture.
Seheron does have strategic value. It's much easier to invade Tevinter and the rest of Thedas from the Seheron Coast than Par Vollen.
According to WOT
where it mentioned the involvment of the Raiders assaulting shipping lines and launching invasions of Par Vollen it self, Another reason why the Qunari in my eye sued for peace.
Their homeland was being attacked while their thedosian campaign was bogging down and failing utterly.
To the other point.
Truly? Well bully for you, I misremembered Lore, figured the Oxmen just kept it once they took it.
No we don't have a full picture of the Qunari Power nor what the Imperium has sent to retake it, but given they are launching contestant invasions and logistical support enough to support said string of invasions i'd argue the Imperium has a decent enough position. But then i'm of the mind its much easier to keep launching invasions when you have assets on the location to receive them doing it all from scratch every time.
Fenris recalls more of Sehron then much anywhere else but he was only there because his Master brought him, Aka we have a rough guessimate of the time he spent there, most of which was among the Fog Warriors before he fled the Island after murdering them. Any interaction he may or may not had with Qunari doesn't make him privy to military secrets of their kind.
Fair enough point, But ultimately it still does leave the Imperium in a position to assault the Qunari Rearguard lines if any invasion of Thedas was launched though, Hence why if they magically had the strength, i figure they would be assaulting the Imperium like they did in the first war. Not this Island fighting they have descended into.
One!
Did you just refer to me as a citizen of the Imperium?
._. Cus that's sort of laughable.
And random historic battle is somehow significant here?
West Wall Offensive! Hurtgen Forest! Nashville, Kabul!
._. I can do it too.
It is quite obvious you can´t 
While I agree about the Red Templars, I'm going to have to disagree about the rest. This would be a perfect time for the Chantry to back their remaining loyal Templars as champions of the people. I could see them educating folks upon the differences between the splinter faction and the ones that remained loyal. I could then picture them using that to have "the nations of Thedas rally around the true followers of the Maker in this time of crisis." Or something like that.
It would be very very shortsided to simply cut off all ties to any Templar remaining.
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I disagree, the Rivaini don´t take kindly to their Seer´s being slaughtered.
According to WoT, the rural society is lead by the Seer's, the nobility and aristocracy who rule and control Rivani are strict adherents to the Chantry and are the ones who support the circle and Chantry in Rivani. Also, wasn't it stated that the followers of the Qun that were killed in Rivani were killed by the Rivaini traditionalists because they wouldn't convert back to Chantry? That sounds pretty pious to me.
It is quite obvious you can´t
Kabul actually works on a few levels considering i was there
Wasn't there for the others, wasn't even born to be honest...But that isn't a failing.
Sort of glad i missed out on Hurtgen...Battle was a meat grinder.
Who says there isn't an OG under Seheron or Par Vollen.
Personally the sheer idea that the darkspawn tunnel as well as they do impresses me. Its amazing what near limitless numbers and near mindless devotion to something can accomplish.
According to WoT, the rural society is lead by the Seer's, the nobility and aristocracy who rule and control Rivani are strict adherents to the Chantry and are the ones who support the circle and Chantry in Rivani. Also, wasn't it stated that the followers of the Qun that were killed in Rivani were killed by the Rivaini traditionalists because they wouldn't convert back to Chantry? That sounds pretty pious to me.
Seems like a small leap to me.
You already have them killing Qunari, Why not abominations? Or Apostates?
I did it too.
If my comparison is true aka Tevinter is Byzantine empire and the Qunari Ottoman empire (a nation with very advanced gun power), if Byzantine falls half of the Europe follows. So Tevinter is like a wall against Qunari, just as how Byzantine was a wall against ottoman invasion of Europe.
Constantinople didn't fall untill 1453. Muslim expansion in western europe had long been halted at that time. It is true that after the fall of Byzantium that the Ottomans made great advances through Greece and the Balkans, but half of europe? Not even close.
According to WOT
where it mentioned the involvment of the Raiders assaulting shipping lines and launching invasions of Par Vollen it self, Another reason why the Qunari in my eye sued for peace.
Their homeland was being attacked while their thedosian campaign was bogging down and failing utterly.
To the other point.
Truly? Well bully for you, I misremembered Lore, figured the Oxmen just kept it once they took it.
No we don't have a full picture of the Qunari Power nor what the Imperium has sent to retake it, but given they are launching contestant invasions and logistical support enough to support said string of invasions i'd argue the Imperium has a decent enough position. But then i'm of the mind its much easier to keep launching invasions when you have assets on the location to receive them doing it all from scratch every time.
Fenris recalls more of Sehron then much anywhere else but he was only there because his Master brought him, Aka we have a rough guessimate of the time he spent there, most of which was among the Fog Warriors before he fled the Island after murdering them. Any interaction he may or may not had with Qunari doesn't make him privy to military secrets of their kind.
Fair enough point, But ultimately it still does leave the Imperium in a position to assault the Qunari Rearguard lines if any invasion of Thedas was launched though, Hence why if they magically had the strength, i figure they would be assaulting the Imperium like they did in the first war. Not this Island fighting they have descended into.
Where in World of Thedas does it mention invasions of Par Vollen? The timeline only mentions the Raiders taking the island of Estwatch from the Qunari. The DA II codex only mentions invasions of "the Qunari coastline," which could mean anywhere considering they still owned a sizable chunk of Thedas at the time.
While I agree about the Red Templars, I'm going to have to disagree about the rest. This would be a perfect time for the Chantry to back their remaining loyal Templars as champions of the people. I could see them educating folks upon the differences between the splinter faction and the ones that remained loyal. I could then picture them using that to have "the nations of Thedas rally around the true followers of the Maker in this time of crisis." Or something like that.
It would be very very shortsided to simply cut off all ties to any Templar remaining.
I was operating more on the idea that their are the red templars and possibly another set of not crazy templars who have broken away in addition to those still loyal. It has been hypothesized anyway. No I wouldn't expect the loyal templars to be ostricized by the chantry.
I was operating more on the idea that their are the red templars and possibly another set of not crazy templars who have broken away in addition to those still loyal. It has been hypothesized anyway. No I wouldn't expect the loyal templars to be ostricized by the chantry.
I think it would depend on the local Chantry leadership. I can see some supporting Lambert's defection, while others may oppose it.
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