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[Grieving Natashina]

Well that something people can't deny.

When ship rolls in with that little bity bow and that sail in your face you get sprung!

 

[Master Warder Z_]

I am sort of miffed about them removing mounted combat

 

i had this lovely fantasy of riding down a fleeing Fiona and basically bashing the back of head with my shield and climbing atop her. Just staring down at all broken and bloody and telling her it was all for naught! The rebellion pointless, that the people of Thedas would never accept them out of their cages, that warden or no, she was ultimately just a mage and in the end that was all she would ever be.

 

The weighted mail of my plate just pressing into the soft curvatures of her robes... The feeling of my gauntleted fist around her throat

 

Erm i need to go into those bushes and be alone for a few moments.

[Divine Justinia V]

I am sort of miffed about them removing mounted combat

 

i had this lovely fantasy of riding down a fleeing Fiona and basically bashing the back of head with my shield and climbing atop her. Just staring down at all broken and bloody and telling her it was all for naught! The rebellion pointless, that the people of Thedas would never accept them out of their cages, that warden or no, she was ultimately just a mage and in the end that was all she would ever be.

 

The weighted mail of my plate just pressing into the soft curvatures of her robes... The feeling of my gauntleted fist around her throat

 

Erm i need to go into those bushes and be alone for a few moments.

 

I think about doing this to Adrian.

[Grieving Natashina]

Wait, they were going to have mounted combat?  I thought that was fan speculation based upon getting a horse in the game?

 

..Um, Z, you're sounding a little too excited about brutally beating someone.   Even if it is Fiona, which you've so subtly hinted you don't like, could you dial it back a notch?

[Iron Fist]

This thread is the crowning achievement of all my work. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You may want to speak to a professional about that, Z.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm sure the assumptions of a random Imperium slave will prove entirely accurate.

 

 

Even if they were, then why wouldn't they close that front? It's just a waste of resources then, surrender the stupid island.

 

Qunari waste nothing remember?

 

Wasting Soldiers fighting over an island with no strategic importance makes little sense to me.

 

Here are some thoughts to consider, then.

 

First, is it a significant waste of resources? What to the Qunari perceive they are gaining, and what are they losing? And would 'closing that front' actually be preferable? Surrendering the island is a question mark for what the island is perceived as being needed for, but conquering Tevinter could easily be too much of a hassle for too little gain compared to fending off Tevinter attempts.

 

 

Second, is it just a stupid little island? In terms of size, it's the size of Rivain- but even without that, there's also a strategic relevance to it. Seheron effectively locks in the Tevinter navy to the Tevinter coastline, while blocking most of northern Thedas from Par Vollen. The only other nearby launching point is northern Rivian- which is also under Qunari control.

 

Between Seheron and northern Rivain, the Qunari have a significant naval buffer to any foe who would try to reach Par Vollen- and staging grounds for any other future expansions as well. For an empire that sees itself as building up to a future conquest when the time is right, that makes it key terrain for future expansion.

 

And that ignores if there are any hidden secrets the Qunari know about on the island- anything worth fighting to keep (or deny the Magisters).

 

 

 

Third, are the soldiers actually being wasted? Or is the Qunari military adapting and evolving to better handle future conflictss?

 

In many respects, Seheron is an ideal training ground for the Qunari military to address expected major issues: mages, insurgents, and developing an experienced and blooded force. With magic being often raised as the Qunari's primary weakness in military doctrine, fighting the Tevinters can develop anti-mage strategies and their own mage knowledge to mitigate that gap. With Fog Warriors, the Qunari learn to deal with insurgency warfare and unconventional fights that might face them in the future (or that they might wish to launch in the future). And by regular but rarely serious warfare, the Qunari can rotate and blood their forces to build and maintain a veteran, blooded, and experienced force for when the time is right- rather than try to seize their next force with untried green troops with much older veterans.

[Grieving Natashina]

This thread is the crowning achievement of all my work. 

Whatever you say, Martin.  However, your name leaves you subject to teasing.  You remember the dog, right?  The one you accidentally killed?

 

With glee, I shall call you: Poodle pumper. Hound hitter. Pooch puncher.

 

Don't give yourself too much credit here Blank.  Never forgot Budro!  

 

(if some don't get the joke, watch the movie Gross Pointe Blank)

[Master Warder Z_]

You may want to speak to a professional about that, Z.

 

Bah! I don't have PTSD! Those quacks at the VA were just having a lark at my expense.

 

 

Wait, they were going to have mounted combat?  I thought that was fan speculation based upon getting a horse in the game?

 

..Um, Z, you're sounding a little too excited about brutally beating someone.   Even if it is Fiona, which you've so subtly hinted you don't like, could you dial it back a notch?

 

It was mentioned a few times as a possibility in an interview with Game Informer, but it wasn't confirmed and it was later dismissed.

 

And...Alright.

 

._.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Here are some thoughts to consider, then.

 

First, is it a significant waste of resources? What to the Qunari perceive they are gaining, and what are they losing? And would 'closing that front' actually be preferable? Surrendering the island is a question mark for what the island is perceived as being needed for, but conquering Tevinter could easily be too much of a hassle for too little gain compared to fending off Tevinter attempts.

 

 

Second, is it just a stupid little island? In terms of size, it's the size of Rivain- but even without that, there's also a strategic relevance to it. Seheron effectively locks in the Tevinter navy to the Tevinter coastline, while blocking most of northern Thedas from Par Vollen. The only other nearby launching point is northern Rivian- which is also under Qunari control.

 

Between Seheron and northern Rivain, the Qunari have a significant naval buffer to any foe who would try to reach Par Vollen- and staging grounds for any other future expansions as well. For an empire that sees itself as building up to a future conquest when the time is right, that makes it key terrain for future expansion.

 

And that ignores if there are any hidden secrets the Qunari know about on the island- anything worth fighting to keep (or deny the Magisters).

 

 

 

Third, are the soldiers actually being wasted? Or is the Qunari military adapting and evolving to better handle future conflictss?

 

In many respects, Seheron is an ideal training ground for the Qunari military to address expected major issues: mages, insurgents, and developing an experienced and blooded force. With magic being often raised as the Qunari's primary weakness in military doctrine, fighting the Tevinters can develop anti-mage strategies and their own mage knowledge to mitigate that gap. With Fog Warriors, the Qunari learn to deal with insurgency warfare and unconventional fights that might face them in the future (or that they might wish to launch in the future). And by regular but rarely serious warfare, the Qunari can rotate and blood their forces to build and maintain a veteran, blooded, and experienced force for when the time is right- rather than try to seize their next force with untried green troops with much older veterans.

Those are interesting points, and due make sense from a tactical point of view.

[Grieving Natashina]

@ Z Ah, it's probably the GI interview from either last September or the one from last summer.  

 

And thanks, I do appreciate it.  

[Iron Fist]

Imagine if every character from Asunder (except Leliana and Justinia) were killed off prior to DAI.

[Grieving Natashina]

Imagine if every character from Asunder (minus Leliana and Justinia) were killed off prior to DAI.

Oh, I think this reaction would take place.

 

 

I don't think I'd care all that much currently, but I also haven't read Asunder yet.

[Master Warder Z_]

Here are some thoughts to consider, then.

 

First, is it a significant waste of resources? What to the Qunari perceive they are gaining, and what are they losing? And would 'closing that front' actually be preferable? Surrendering the island is a question mark for what the island is perceived as being needed for, but conquering Tevinter could easily be too much of a hassle for too little gain compared to fending off Tevinter attempts.

 

 

Second, is it just a stupid little island? In terms of size, it's the size of Rivain- but even without that, there's also a strategic relevance to it. Seheron effectively locks in the Tevinter navy to the Tevinter coastline, while blocking most of northern Thedas from Par Vollen. The only other nearby launching point is northern Rivian- which is also under Qunari control.

 

Between Seheron and northern Rivain, the Qunari have a significant naval buffer to any foe who would try to reach Par Vollen- and staging grounds for any other future expansions as well. For an empire that sees itself as building up to a future conquest when the time is right, that makes it key terrain for future expansion.

 

And that ignores if there are any hidden secrets the Qunari know about on the island- anything worth fighting to keep (or deny the Magisters).

 

 

 

Third, are the soldiers actually being wasted? Or is the Qunari military adapting and evolving to better handle future conflictss?

 

In many respects, Seheron is an ideal training ground for the Qunari military to address expected major issues: mages, insurgents, and developing an experienced and blooded force. With magic being often raised as the Qunari's primary weakness in military doctrine, fighting the Tevinters can develop anti-mage strategies and their own mage knowledge to mitigate that gap. With Fog Warriors, the Qunari learn to deal with insurgency warfare and unconventional fights that might face them in the future (or that they might wish to launch in the future). And by regular but rarely serious warfare, the Qunari can rotate and blood their forces to build and maintain a veteran, blooded, and experienced force for when the time is right- rather than try to seize their next force with untried green troops with much older veterans.

 

It could be also that the Qunari lack the resources to manage an invasion of the Imperium once again, dealing not only with the Teveinter Military but also dealing with the mass slave revolts that broke the back of their occupation in the prior conflict, i doubt they forgot that lesson. Mass revolt coupled with a renewed offensive saw the Capital relived and the Imperium reclaimed.

 

I suppose it could serve as their Spanish civil war i grant you, adaption of Military tactics and invocation to counter methods of warfare that saw them defeated previously, but to me is the constant fighting being done there worth that possible knowledge based pay out.

 

They don't maintain control of Northern Rivain they only have a single bastion there which supposedly isn't there for military intentions despite being a supposedly well armed fort. So in theory while that could prove an issue in the advent of a future conflict, having a single bastion there wouldn't do them over much good given there is other places to launch said invasion from in the territory.

 

I already acknowledged they had a possible defense role for their fort but i am of a mind until we actually see the structure we cannot determine if it can serve as an adequate buffer to Par Vollen or no. 

 

I suppose you have given a bit to consider but i'd be of the mind that Sehron is more equivalent to a Vietnam scenario then a training scenario considering we don't know the attrition rate for the conflict on either side but Jungle Warfare tends to invite a lot of nastiness such as Disease, famine, but given we don't know if they are operating as a traditional army would or no it could very well be as you said, a mere buffering ground for the advancement of their forces. It could be they have designs upon the Island as you said and are merely unwilling to surrender it to the Imperium despite it being a costly affair to hold.

 

Ultimately the Oxmen will do what they will do and we will be left to interpret the why of it.

[Divine Justinia V]

Imagine if every character from Asunder (except Leliana and Justinia) were killed off prior to DAI.

 

Everyone but Rhys, Evangeline, Fiona (sorry Z), and Shale. That's all I care about.

Cole can't... really be killed? Well, I guess demon-cole could, so add him in there too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Everyone but Rhys, Evangeline, Fiona (sorry Z), and Shale. That's all I care about.

Cole can't... really be killed? Well, I guess demon-cole could, so add him in there too.

Well, he can be turned into a nearly mindless Wisp Wraith for who knows how long.

[Grieving Natashina]

From what I read about Cole, he certainly seems to be a very special case.  Banishing him back to a wisp seems possible, but I'm not sure they would do that to someone that was a major character in the EU. I boned up on my knowledge about him via wiki.  

 

I did want to mention that I would care about Shale.  She is my favorite character in the entire series of DA games so far, and I'd want to see her again.  I'm not betting on it, but I do admit I'd be quite sad if she died offscreen.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well, he can be turned into a nearly mindless Wisp Wraith for who knows how long.

 

Lol true, but I'd like to avoid that

I still feel like he's a vengeance type of demon, maybe a demon of mercy.. I think you or Tash mentioned that. 

[Iron Fist]

Based on the presence of red templars and the possible proliferation of blood magic use (admittedly a weak conclusion based solely on a single bit of concept art), I wonder if anybody is actually leading the two sides of the mage-templar conflict. Or is it a free-for-all?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lol true, but I'd like to avoid that

I still feel like he's a vengeance type of demon, maybe a demon of mercy.. I think you or Tash mentioned that. 

Demon of Mercy? Well, that's an interesting concept since Mercy is viewed as a positive aspect. Though he could be a corrupted version of one I suppose. 

 

I think Tash was the one since I haven't said much on Cole.

[Divine Justinia V]

Demon of Mercy? Well, that's an interesting concept since Mercy is viewed as a positive aspect. Though he could be a corrupted version of one I suppose. 

 

I think Tash was the one since I haven't said much on Cole.

 

Given the events of Asunder and how he originally became "Cole" I think it could be a cool concept (a corrupted version). Or, like I said, vengeance. He took vengeance a lot - justifiable, I think.

 

but I can't for the life of me remember who else he killed and why he killed them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Based on the presence of red templars and the possible proliferation of blood magic use (admittedly a weak conclusion based solely on a single bit of concept art), I wonder if anybody is actually leading the two sides of the mage-templar conflict. Or is it a free-for-all?

I think if the Red Templars are anything like Meredith, they are going to need a leader. Before anyone jumps down my throat, hear me out.  

 

Despite my serious issues with her, I'm still quite impressed by her for keeping it together for as long as she did after acquiring the idol.  Bartand proves that, without sufficent willpower, that red lyrium doesn't seem to take long to turn someone into a gibbering wreck.  Meredith had some incredible willpower and though she was crazy in the end, she was still aware of her actions.  No matter whether I agree with her or not, I've always admired her for it.

 

I don't think many of the average Templar would have that kind of will.  I have a hunch that Meredith was an exception with such willpower and I believe that some other Knight-Commanders/Knight-Lieutenants could keep it together.  The average Joe Templar though?  I have a feeling that wouldn't be the case.  After a point of madness, I would suspect someone would have to guide them to help keep their focus on the task at hand. Given the lawful ways of the Templars, I can see even the Red Templars making order within their ranks a top priority.

 

When it comes to the mages, that I'm very uncertain about.  The mages seemed to be scattered pretty far at the moment.  I'm guessing that while there is pockets of mages with leaders, there isn't a central leadership yet.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Given the events of Asunder and how he originally became "Cole" I think it could be a cool concept (a corrupted version). Or, like I said, vengeance. He took vengeance a lot - justifiable, I think.

 

but I can't for the life of me remember who else he killed and why he killed them.

Well, Lambart is supposedly his last known victim, but I doubt we've seen the last of him. 

 

But yeah, I can see how like Justice the spirit's time here and experiencing all the negative things in the World of the Living may have corrupted him somewhat. Perhaps that is a reason why spirits also tend to avoid our realm. They know that too long without a host or a host not pure in heart could corrupt them into demons.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Maybe cole is a demon who is becoming uncorrupted? Who knows to be honest. Dudes a damn enigma.

[Divine Justinia V]

Speaking of, I wonder if we've seen the last of Justice.