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[Grieving Natashina]

Speaking of, I wonder if we've seen the last of Justice.

David said that we probably haven't seen the last of Justice and that they might have some story plans down the road for him.  David did keep it vague though, as is his wont.

[Iron Fist]

I think if the Red Templars are anything like Meredith, they are going to need a leader. Before anyone jumps down my throat, hear me out.  

 

Despite my serious issues with her, I'm still quite impressed by her for keeping it together for as long as she did after acquiring the idol.  Bartand proves that, without sufficent willpower, that red lyrium doesn't seem to take long to turn someone into a gibbering wreck.  Meredith had some incredible willpower and though she was crazy in the end, she was still aware of her actions.  No matter whether I agree with her or not, I've always admired her for it.

 

I don't think many of the average Templar would have that kind of will.  I have a hunch that Meredith was an exception with such willpower and I believe that some other Knight-Commanders/Knight-Lieutenants could keep it together.  The average Joe Templar though?  I have a feeling that wouldn't be the case.  After a point of madness, I would suspect someone would have to guide them to help keep their focus on the task at hand. Given the lawful ways of the Templars, I can see even the Red Templars making order within their ranks a top priority.

 

When it comes to the mages, that I'm very uncertain about.  The mages seemed to be scattered pretty far at the moment.  I'm guessing that while there is pockets of mages with leaders, there isn't a central leadership yet.  

 

I had this weird theory that the red templars operate under a hive mind (the ultimate form of order).

 

And are being controlled by someone, possibly a mage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe cole is a demon who is becoming uncorrupted? Who knows to be honest. Dudes a damn enigma.

Interesting. If a demon is as Justice said just a spirit perverted by their desires, then it is quite possible for a reversal of the perversion to occur.

[Grieving Natashina]

I had this weird theory that the red templars operate under a hive mind (the ultimate form of order).

 

And are being controlled by someone, possibly a mage.

My money is on a demon.  Now that would be poetic. 

 

Edit: Oh and give the loyal Templars a damned good reason to go after them.  

[Divine Justinia V]

David said that we probably haven't seen the last of Justice and that they might have some story plans down the road for him.  David did keep it vague though, as is his wont.

 

Oh Justice, I can't say I've missed him

I hope he has a host that isn't as... angry as Anders.

[Dean_the_Young]

It could be also that the Qunari lack the resources to manage an invasion of the Imperium once again, dealing not only with the Teveinter Military but also dealing with the mass slave revolts that broke the back of their occupation in the prior conflict, i doubt they forgot that lesson. Mass revolt coupled with a renewed offensive saw the Capital relived and the Imperium reclaimed.

 

Who said lack? There are plenty of things that can be done that aren't worth the cost- conquering all of Tevinter may or may not be one of them, but escalating the war can easily be.

 

If the Qunari can't conquer Tevinter, than holding on to Seheron is a strategic buffer to keep Tevinter away from the Qunari core. If the Qunari can conquer Tevinter, than limiting the fight to Seheron is a cheaper alternative while they bide their time for an ideal opportunity (like, say, a period of continental strife in which the Tevinter wouldn't be able to call upon Andrastian nations to support them).

 

I suppose it could serve as their Spanish civil war i grant you, adaption of Military tactics and invocation to counter methods of warfare that saw them defeated previously, but to me is the constant fighting being done there worth that possible knowledge based pay out.

 

 

To the Qunari, it is. Certainly bridging the gap between their mages and the rest of the continent would significantly reduce their only major military deficit.

 

Of course, military knowledge and experience probably isn't the sole reason, but one of various concerns. It might not even factor at all: the Qunari may just have a political/ideological fixation on the island.

 

 

 

 

They don't maintain control of Northern Rivain they only have a single bastion there which supposedly isn't there for military intentions despite being a supposedly well armed fort. So in theory while that could prove an issue in the advent of a future conflict, having a single bastion there wouldn't do them over much good given there is other places to launch said invasion from in the territory.

 

 

Let me rephrase it, then: by denying Rivain as a launching pad to others, Rivain serves the Qunari strategic interests. Occupying the bastion in the north (which has an unclear area of influence) is a part of that- preserving influence and keeping Rivain a divided region dominated by no one (as it effectively is now) serves as the strategic depth.

 

Rivain is effectively denied as a anti-Qunari launchpad.
 

 

I suppose you have given a bit to consider but i'd be of the mind that Sehron is more equivalent to a Vietnam scenario then a training scenario considering we don't know the attrition rate for the conflict on either side but Jungle Warfare tends to invite a lot of nastiness such as Disease, famine, but given we don't know if they are operating as a traditional army would or no it could very well be as you said, a mere buffering ground for the advancement of their forces. It could be they have designs upon the Island as you said and are merely unwilling to surrender it to the Imperium despite it being a costly affair to hold.

 

 

 

There's also the fact that a lot of jungle islands and regions have been conquered and fought over with costs far less than Vietnam. Besides the Qunari have advantages in food and medicine, there's not terribly much to support the Fog Warriors being a major insurgency force. They  could be more akin to, say, the Philippine insurgency in its threat and effect.

 

 

Ultimately the Oxmen will do what they will do and we will be left to interpret the why of it.

 

 

Yup.

[AresKeith]

Speaking of, I wonder if we've seen the last of Justice.

 

David Gaider once said that Justice's story isn't over even if you killed Anders

[Divine Justinia V]

David Gaider once said that Justice's story isn't over even if you killed Anders

 

I really hope he's in DA:I, even though he's kind of annoyed me since Awakening (but I also pity him idk it's conflicting).

It was be awesome if he possessed an angry Templar now to show us the contrast.

[Iron Fist]

My money is on a demon.  Now that would be poetic. 

 

Edit: Oh and give the loyal Templars a damned good reason to go after them.  

 

Indeed. The red templars would effectively be working against Thedas, but they don't know it.

 

If they were to ever achieve their goal of eradicating mages, then the red templars would be among the most powerful people in Thedas.

 

Interesting.

[Master Warder Z_]

My money is on a demon.  Now that would be poetic. 

 

Edit: Oh and give the loyal Templars a damned good reason to go after them.  

 

You do realize there is a clear and evident distinction between the Templars who went to war with the Mages and the Red Templars Yes?

 

They likely were a splinter of said faction but they are a separate entity. Given that in initial interviews about the Red Templars Bioware replied they were a "new" faction, add in that the Templar Order will be a faction in DAI.

 

And thankfully we get "rebel templars" that aren't nutters.

 

You know they just fight for their flag.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh Justice, I can't say I've missed him

I hope he has a host that isn't as... angry as Anders.

I don't think I'm the only one that though Anders was angry in Awakening either.  I liked Justice, but this hybrid can stay far far away. 

 

On that note, let's keep the Anders talk to the Anders thread.  You know that's a hornet's nest in here.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think I'm the only one that though Anders was angry in Awakening either.  I liked Justice, but this hybrid can stay far far away. 

 

On that note, let's keep the Anders talk to the Anders thread.  You know that's a hornet's nest in here.

 

*Purposefully ignoring the mention of Osama Bin Anders and his demon*

[Grieving Natashina]

*Purposefully ignoring the mention of Osama Bin Anders and his demon*

...Then why did you type that?  Let's not go there, okay?

[Master Warder Z_]

Who said lack? There are plenty of things that can be done that aren't worth the cost- conquering all of Tevinter may or may not be one of them, but escalating the war can easily be.

 

If the Qunari can't conquer Tevinter, than holding on to Seheron is a strategic buffer to keep Tevinter away from the Qunari core. If the Qunari can conquer Tevinter, than limiting the fight to Seheron is a cheaper alternative while they bide their time for an ideal opportunity (like, say, a period of continental strife in which the Tevinter wouldn't be able to call upon Andrastian nations to support them).

 

To the Qunari, it is. Certainly bridging the gap between their mages and the rest of the continent would significantly reduce their only major military deficit.

 

Of course, military knowledge and experience probably isn't the sole reason, but one of various concerns. It might not even factor at all: the Qunari may just have a political/ideological fixation on the island.

 

 

 

 

Let me rephrase it, then: by denying Rivain as a launching pad to others, Rivain serves the Qunari strategic interests. Occupying the bastion in the north (which has an unclear area of influence) is a part of that- preserving influence and keeping Rivain a divided region dominated by no one (as it effectively is now) serves as the strategic depth.

 

Rivain is effectively denied as a anti-Qunari launchpad.
 

 

There's also the fact that a lot of jungle islands and regions have been conquered and fought over with costs far less than Vietnam. Besides the Qunari have advantages in food and medicine, there's not terribly much to support the Fog Warriors being a major insurgency force. They  could be more akin to, say, the Philippine insurgency in its threat and effect.

 

Yup.

 

I suppose that speculation may have some merit but i'd be of the mind that having both factions bogged down for near on a century isn't doing either of them a favor in the terms of logistics, Both sides need commit fresh forces to the campaign, both sides constantly fighting over the same territory over and over again, seems me like an Alamo standpoint then any true training method but that's likely just my interpretation of it.

 

And i suppose that could also have merit, assuming they have the strength to successfully occupy the Imperium this time, it would make sense to do it while other Nations are busy, but i'd also point out the Imperium had no aid in driving back the Qunari from their shores last time either though.

 

They do seemed obsessed with holding it as much the Imperium is obsessed with retaking it.

 

In Theory its denied as an Anti Qunari Launch Pad, i'd point out the Nobility are all followers of Adrastrian teachings and supporters of the Chantry though, so you do have the people with the wealth and resources to retake the North from the Oxmen in the position to do so if the situation arose.

 

There is nothing to suggest they are a minor faction though either, in truth little enough of them is known to state capabilities one way or another.

 

Mmm i suppose we will have to wait until more information is released to decide one way or another to see if this Seheron Gambit was anything ingenious on their part or no.

[Master Warder Z_]

...Then why did you type that?  Let's not go there, okay?

 

To reveal that God was ignoring it!

 

Have you not read the scripture?!

 

I am vocal about things i ignore!

[Grieving Natashina]

To reveal that God was ignoring it!

 

Have you not read the scripture?!

 

I am vocal about things i ignore!

"Gott ist tot"

[AresKeith]

I really hope he's in DA:I, even though he's kind of annoyed me since Awakening (but I also pity him idk it's conflicting).

It was be awesome if he possessed an angry Templar now to show us the contrast.

 

With the Veil tear I don't think he needs a host this time

[Master Warder Z_]

"Gott ist tot"

 

You can blame that annoying blond for that.

 

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Yet his shadow still looms. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives

 

 I am not overly pleased by that to be honest.

[Grieving Natashina]

You can blame that annoying blond for that.

 

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Yet his shadow still looms. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives

 

 I am not overly pleased by that to be honest.

Then quit calling yourself God.  

 

Yet, you are pro-Chantry?  How in the name of the gods does that work?

[EmissaryofLies]

Elves, mages are bad, templars eat babies for breakfast, Qunari like pancakes, I miss anything today?

[Grieving Natashina]

Elves, mages are bad, templars eat babies for breakfast, Qunari like pancakes, I miss anything today?

Red Templars are bad, Rivain still has Qun civilizations and Anders just showed up in the thread like a wart.

 

In short, not much.

[Master Warder Z_]

Then quit calling yourself God.  

 

Yet, you are pro-Chantry?  How in the name of the gods does that work?

 

*Is the Maker*

 

[Grieving Natashina]

*Is the Maker*

 

So in other words, because you feel like it.  Fair enough my weird friend, fair enough.

[dragonflight288]

Forget the bird, follow the river!

 

Willow reference!!!

[Grieving Natashina]

Willow reference!!!

Peck!  Peck!