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[LobselVith8]

Despite you know erm...Two of the biggest supporters of the Divine Officially anointing the Inquisitor, i'd say its a pretty fair guess to assume that the Chantry will play a part in the Inquisition at least at some level, like it or no.

I don't think the coronation artwork means that the player will be forced into working for the Chantry of Andraste, since the creators and developers have expressed this won't be the case.

Sorry if such musings offend your Backwoods sensibilities Lob.

I'm addressing this based on what the developers have said; I see no reason to ignore it until the developers say otherwise.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't think the coronation artwork means that the player will be forced into working for the Chantry of Andraste, since the creators and developers have expressed this won't be the case.


I'm addressing this based on what the developers have said; I see no reason to ignore it until the developers say otherwise.

Don't argue, just site your WoG sources.  I figured that posting the WoG videos might clear some of the misconceptions up.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think the coronation artwork means that the player will be forced into working for the Chantry of Andraste, since the creators and developers have expressed this won't be the case.


I'm addressing this based on what the developers have said; I see no reason to ignore it until the developers say otherwise.

I don't recall stating you were working for "any one" I do recall stating the Chantry likely would have a place in the Inquisition though.

 

Working for and Working alongside are differing concepts you realize? 

 

I'm addressing this based upon personal musings and what the developers have said, plus neat artwork. They said you wouldn't be forced into working for factions against you're will, they never said that you would be independent of them though.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't recall stating you were working for "any one" I do recall stating the Chantry likely would have a place in the Inquisition though.

 

Working for and Working alongside are differing concepts you realize? 

 

I'm addressing this based upon personal musings and what the developers have said, plus neat artwork. They said you wouldn't be forced into working for factions against you're will, they never said that you would be independent of them though.

It still doesn't change the fact that this isn't a religious matter backed by the Chantry and can be considered a secular effort . 

 

Bah, we're going around in circles.  Nug condoms, anyone?

 

@ Dean We may strongly debate and disagree, but I still had fun goofing off with ya last night. 

[LobselVith8]

I haven't heard the disdain for the Chantry though. That's your own views talking, but the rest is correct.

You might have misunderstood me.

I'm talking about the threads made by fans who dislike the Chantry, and the fans who expressed that they didn't want to be forced into working for the Chantry or follow the Andrastian faith. Answers were provided to these fans by the developers.

I wasn't trying to say that the developers expressed an opinion on the matter.

[dragonflight288]

I don't recall stating you were working for "any one" I do recall stating the Chantry likely would have a place in the Inquisition though.

 

Working for and Working alongside are differing concepts you realize? 

 

I'm addressing this based upon personal musings and what the developers have said, plus neat artwork. They said you wouldn't be forced into working for factions against you're will, they never said that you would be independent of them though.

 

 

http://www.dragonage.com/

 

Watch the video, "World Unveiled."

 

The devs specifically say the Inquisition is founded in opposition to the Church. And this is the official website so it cannot be dismissed. 

[Grieving Natashina]

You might have misunderstood me.

I'm talking about the threads made by fans who dislike the Chantry, and the fans who expressed that they didn't want to be forced into working for the Chantry or follow the Andrastian faith. Answers were provided to these fans by the developers.

I wasn't trying to say that the developers expressed an opinion on the matter.

Ah, okay, that makes much more sense.  Your wording was a little awkward.

[LobselVith8]

I don't recall stating you were working for "any one" I do recall stating the Chantry likely would have a place in the Inquisition though.

Working for and Working alongside are differing concepts you realize?

I'm addressing this based upon personal musings and what the developers have said, plus neat artwork. They said you wouldn't be forced into working for factions against you're will, they never said that you would be independent of them though.

It seems more like you're interested in the player having no agency on the matter, rather than addressing anything you've inferred from what the developers have said. I don't understand this mindset.

The developers went out of their way to say the Inquisitor will shape the Inquisition, and choose the alliances that are forged. I don't see why that should be interpreted to mean the player will be forced into working with the Chantry.

[Grieving Natashina]

It seems more like you're interested in the player having no agency on the matter, rather than addressing anything you've inferred from what the developers have said. I don't understand this mindset.

The developers went out of their way to say the Inquisitor will shape the Inquisition, and choose the alliances that are forged. I don't see why that should be interpreted to mean the player will be forced into working with the Chantry.

I am sure the developers will give players the means to RP as working with the Chantry, as it seems they'll be giving non-Chantry types other options.  So if someone wishes to RP that, nothing wrong there.  Yet, it needs to be remembered that this isn't a Chantry-driven war.

 

Still cracks me up that we're still debating over this with the giant whole in the sky leaking the Fade everywhere.  Seems...silly.

[Hellion Rex]

http://www.dragonage.com/

 

Watch the video, "World Unveiled."

 

The devs specifically say the Inquisition is founded in opposition to the Church. And this is the official website so it cannot be dismissed. 

But how is it formed in opposition exactly? At the very least, having Cassandra in our party makes me think that we have some amount of Chantry backing, or at the very least it is an attempt to keep an eye on us. I'm still having trouble grasping how the Inquisition will have any amount of palpable authority without the backing of Andrastian Chantry.

[Master Warder Z_]

It seems more like you're interested in the player having no agency on the matter, rather than addressing anything you've inferred from what the developers have said. I don't understand this mindset.

The developers went out of their way to say the Inquisitor will shape the Inquisition, and choose the alliances that are forged. I don't see why that should be interpreted to mean the player will be forced into working with the Chantry.

Your mindset is pretty much alien to me, what with viewing the elves as the end all to existence and what have you.

 

The Devs made that comment yes, They also said nothing of the Inquisition magically becoming a renown party with no outside backing.

 

http://www.dragonage.com/

 

Watch the video, "World Unveiled."

 

The devs specifically say the Inquisition is founded in opposition to the Church. And this is the official website so it cannot be dismissed. 

 

I don't recall saying i dismissed it?

[Master Warder Z_]

But how is it formed in opposition exactly? At the very least, having Cassandra in our party makes me think that we have some amount of Chantry backing, or at the very least it is an attempt to keep an eye on us. I'm still having trouble grasping how the Inquisition will have any amount of palpable authority without the backing of Andrastian Chantry.

 

It's scary when we agree Elu 

 

._.

[dragonflight288]

 

 

I don't recall saying i dismissed it?

 

Really? That's genuinely the impression I'm getting. Probably due to the lack of vocal inflection, but I am getting that impression.

[dragonflight288]

But how is it formed in opposition exactly? At the very least, having Cassandra in our party makes me think that we have some amount of Chantry backing, or at the very least it is an attempt to keep an eye on us. I'm still having trouble grasping how the Inquisition will have any amount of palpable authority without the backing of Andrastian Chantry.

 

The devs also stated that you establish the Inquisition, and people will respect you and your authority, or you will compel them to respect it (probably with force.)

 

I can see Inquisition being split between Acts or big sections, with the first being the founding and establishing the Inquisition and turning it into a legitimate organization. Then have a bunch of side quests that'll expand the Inquisition's strength and presence throughout the world. 

[BlueMagitek]

I'm going to be a stickler and point out that Dragon Age does not follow D & D morality system, and this thread isn't about that. 

 

Sure it does.  You can basically put anyone into any of the nine positions.  And just because you happen to be, say, lawful neutral, doesn't mean that you'll never break a law; the system only describes your general attitude. 

[Hellion Rex]

It's scary when we agree Elu 

 

._.

Chilling indeed.

[Grieving Natashina]

Chilling indeed.

We all have our off days.  (teasing Z, teasing.)  

[dragonflight288]

Sure it does.  You can basically put anyone into any of the nine positions.  And just because you happen to be, say, lawful neutral, doesn't mean that you'll never break a law; the system only describes your general attitude. 

 

Very well, if it's on topic, how would you guys rate me then?

[BlueMagitek]

Very well, if it's on topic, how would you guys rate me then?

I deem that you are also neutral good.

[dragonflight288]

I deem that you are also neutral good.

 

Thanks! 

[LobselVith8]

I am sure the developers will give players the means to RP as working with the Chantry, as it seems they'll be giving non-Chantry types other options. So if someone wishes to RP that, nothing wrong there. Yet, it needs to be remembered that this isn't a Chantry-driven war.

I think the protagonist will decide who to side with. The developers said as much, and cited how the player can side with the mages or the templars as one example.

Still cracks me up that we're still debating over this with the giant whole in the sky leaking the Fade everywhere. Seems...silly.

I think it's more about the importance of having a choice in the matter, and being able to roleplay certain characters a particular way. There's not much replay value when you can't make your characters divergent from one another.

[Hellion Rex]

What about me? What about mE?!?!?!?!

[Grieving Natashina]

@ Dean First off, no need to be snide.  You can keep those remarks to yourself, thanks. 

 

Look, I stated my point and disagreed with you.  I respect your views, but I don't agree with your point.  

 

Why don't we call it there and stop insulting me, okay?  That was uncalled for.

 

I have not done it to you and if you think as such, I do apologize.  That wasn't my intent.

[Dean_the_Young]

How so?  If it's outside of the Chantry...and if several races can lead and join it, it isn't a religious war lead by the Chantry.  Otherwise, we'd all be forced to be apart of the Chantry doing everything in the name of the Maker.  Which David Gaider and others have promised us isn't going to be the case.  

 

If that's how you wish to interpret it, as a matter of religion, then have fun with it.   To each their own.

 

Being beholden to the Chantry is a type of relationship- not being beholden to the Chantry doesn't mean a lack of relationship. You can be a part of the Chantry without being led by the Chantry and doing everything in the name of the maker. Or you could force the Chantry into a partnership with you, using its influence to support you rather than direct you. Gairder's promise is about a type of relationship, not a lack of any relationship at all.

 

It's pretty much the shitick of every Bioware protagonist in the last decade. You are an independent agent loosely or officially associated with group X, but are not forced to adopt their worldview or act in their name even if you share interests. Commander Shepard of the Spectres/Cerberus/Alliance, The Warden Grey Warden, Hawke the Champion of Kirkwall. None of these were characters beholden to their patron faction/identity.

 

 

Besides, what happened to that being your last words on the subject?

[Shadow Fox]

I deem that you are also neutral good.

What about me?