We can agree that a society dominated by mages where normals are second class citizens is a bad thing, correct.
I do not. It's no worse than every single other oligarchic Thedosian society, and hardly worse than modern systems where huge piles of money create new unofficial oligarchies practically everywhere (aside from those places where they are official).
Ummm both Flemeth and Malcolm put their children throw the harrowing
So Morrigan and Bethany were awoken in the middle of the night, made to face a demon or be cut down or lobotomized?
Really?
I think that treating non-magic users as well as mages like second class citizens is a really bad thing. No one should be incarcerated due to an accident of birth.
The Circles are not needed to lock up mages just because they might be a danger. It has been proven in the games that a good teacher is far more effective then just locking them all up.
So Morrigan and Bethany were awoken in the middle of the night, made to face a demon or be cut down or lobotomized?
Really?
lmao
So Morrigan and Bethany were awoken in the middle of the night, made to face a demon or be cut down or lobotomized?
Really?
Don't know how you made these leaps in logic but doesn't change the fact that Morrigan, Bethany, and Mage Hawke as was put through a harrowing by their parents
I think that treating non-magic users as well as mages like second class citizens is a really bad thing. No one should be incarcerated due to an accident of birth.
The Circles are not needed to lock up mages just because they might be a danger. It has been proven in the games that a good teacher is far more effective then just locking them all up.
That is a very weak response that does not adress even a tenth of what I wrote.
And those two are not mutually exclusive.
Don't know how you made these leaps in logic but doesn't change the fact that Morrigan, Bethany, and Mage Hawke as was put through a harrowing by their parents
Source pls?
Don't remember that ever coming up in dialogues.
Don't know how you made these leaps in logic but doesn't change the fact that Morrigan, Bethany, and Mage Hawke as was put through a harrowing by their parents
When did we find out about Flemeth's homemade harrowing for Morrigan? Sorry, I don't remember that at all.
Don't know how you made these leaps in logic but doesn't change the fact that Morrigan, Bethany, and Mage Hawke as was put through a harrowing by their parents
Put through 'a harrowing', telling difference.
edit: the harrowing I was referring to before was obviously the circle's version. I will not argue semantics with you.
Source, Ares. I'm sorry, but I've seen no evidence that any of them actually went through a Harrowing, only that they were trained.
How do you define a Harrowing? I only know the Chantry version.
Source, Ares. I'm sorry, but I've seen no evidence that any of them actually went through a Harrowing, only that they were trained.
How do you define a Harrowing? I only know the Chantry version.
Trying to look for it, but if I'm wrong then I'm wrong
But I think I remember this in dialogue :/
Trying to look for it, but if I'm wrong then I'm wrong
But I think I remember this in dialogue :/
Ah, no worries then. It still backs the point that a good teacher > the Circles.
Trying to look for it, but if I'm wrong then I'm wrong
But I think I remember this in dialogue :/
No worries.
I just don't think... that would happen because I can't picture someone lobotomizing their own child if they fail.
No worries.
I just don't think... that would happen because I can't picture someone lobotomizing their own child if they fail.
Or killing them outright.
Or killing them outright.
Too many emotional ties to do so. Even Cullen had a hard time with f!Surana/Amell, imagine a Mother or father?
Ah, no worries then. It still backs the point that a good teacher > the Circles.
All that might; emphasys on the might; prevent is the accidental abuse of magic, not mages using it for their benefit.
And not every mage can have a talented one for a father. Trying to get a tutor for every single new mage out there is just inpractical for many reason.
Too many emotional ties to do so. Even Cullen had a hard time with f!Surana/Amell, imagine a Mother or father?
There are plenty of normal parents who, upon learning their kid was a mage, tried to kill the. Cole's dad, for instance.
Jowan's mother referred to him as a thing and was all to happy to see him being hauled off.
The Circle system has certainly not prevented mages from using magic for personal gain. Otherwise, Uldred and his disaster would not have happened. I'm not sure what you're point is here.
Who said anything about one teacher for one student? I am fine with the Circle education system, I am not fine with the mages being kept in the Circles for life.
The Circle system has certainly not prevented mages from using magic for personal gain. Otherwise, Uldred and his disaster would not have happened. I'm not sure what you're point is here.
Who said anything about one teacher for one student? I am fine with the Circle education system, I am not fine with the mages being kept in the Circles for life.
Uldred failed to kill a single civillian because he was contained in the Circle. Ergo, the system works.
Have you considered the possibility the only reason mages like Bethany or Morrigan are well trained is because their mage parents can dedicate 100% of their time to their education and that this might not be possible in large classes?
Ok, so it only says that they were trained how to control their powers by Flemeth and Malcom. I mostly just assumed they used their own versions of the Harrowing to train them in resisting demon possession
My point was, the Circle didn't prevent his lust for power. I have long been a fan of mages policing themselves.
If it worked so well, we wouldn't be in this mess. It's obvious that while the Circle system was a great band-aid for a long time, it wasn't the answer. And the Circles as we knew them are not coming back. They could return, but it would not be in the same way.
I did think about that, and I don't think the class size makes a difference. Again, we can have the education that the Circle provides without keeping them there for the rest of their lives. Sure, they can leave, but only without a baby sitter that will kill you if he has any reason at all to think you might have become a maleficar. That's crap and it needs to change.
There are plenty of normal parents who, upon learning their kid was a mage, tried to kill the. Cole's dad, for instance.
Jowan's mother referred to him as a thing and was all to happy to see him being hauled off.
That's very true but I meant Mage parents 
should've clarified.
My point was, the Circle didn't prevent his lust for power. I have long been a fan of mages policing themselves.
There was no way of preventing Uldred's lust for power. But when the time came, he failed to kill a single civillian because of the Circle.
Let's hear what the city elves have to say about humans policing themselves. Different groups, same principles.
If it worked so well, we wouldn't be in this mess. It's obvious that while the Circle system was a great band-aid for a long time, it wasn't the answer. And the Circles as we knew them are not coming back. They could return, but it would not be in the same way.
Everything that can happen, will happen. This is an universal truth; since time is unending, if something doesn't have a 0% chance of happening, then it will happen. Either tomorrow or in a million years.
I acknowledge that the Circle does not fix the problem but that's because there is no perfect solution to it. As it stands, the Circle is, without a doubt, the best possible solution and I very much wish to ensure it remains standing for the next thousand years.
Reformed, yes. But it must remain.
I did think about that, and I don't think the class size makes a difference.
Ask any teach whatsoever if there isn't a difference between teaching one student or twenty.
Again, we can have the education that the Circle provides without keeping them there for the rest of their lives. Sure, they can leave, but only without a baby sitter that will kill you if he has any reason at all to think you might have become a maleficar.
Hardly. We see plenty of mages in the franchise leave without a Templar escort; Wynne, Fynn, Irving, that mage interested in botany, Bethany, Rhys mentions visiting Val-Royeaux; all it takes is for the mage to prove himself trusthworthy.
And when they do have a Templar escort, it's as much for their protection as everyone else's.
People despise mages. In Asunder, it takes about half an hour before the townspeople try to lynch Wynne&Co. The only reason people didn't die was because there was a Templar there.
There was no way of preventing Uldred's lust for power. But when the time came, he failed to kill a single civillian because of the Circle.
No, it was because it was in a building that could be easily locked down. The Circle system itself had nothing to do with it. You don't need the Circles to lock down a school.
Let's hear what the city elves have to say About humans policing themselves. Different groups, same principles.
Talk about apples and oranges! More like: Let's ask the city elves how they feel about policing themselves, not how they feel about the humans. I'm betting the city elves would welcome the chance to be out from human rule.
Everything that can happen, will happen. This is an universal truth; since time is unending, if something doesn't have a 0% chance of happening, then it will happen. Either tomorrow or in a million years.
I acknowledge that the Circle does not fix the problem but that's because there is no perfect solution to it. As it stands, the Circle is, without a doubt, the best possible solution and I very much wish to ensure it remains standing for the next thousand years.
Reformed, yes. But it must remain.
No, it doesn't. An internment camp should always be treated as a short term solution.
Ask any teacher whatsoever if there isn't a difference between teaching one student or twenty.
It's obvious that the classroom education that the Circle provides does work, so we can keep the classes as is.
Hardly. We see plenty of mages in the franchise leave without a Templar escort; Wynne, Fynn, Irving, that mage interested in botany, Bethany, Rhys mentions visiting Val-Royeaux; all it takes is for the mage to prove himself trustworthy.
Fine, the overwhelming majority of the time mages cannot travel without a Templar.
I did want to point out that in the cases of Wynne and Irving, it took pretty much most of their lives before the Chantry let them leave on their own. And even, with those few mages you listed, they are still being baby sat by a potentially murderous nanny; that's what the phylacteries are all about. All it takes is a Templar going, "Gee, maybe that mage is trouble" and tracking them down across Thedas. They don't have to have any evidence or a reason beyond " I suspect blood magic afoot." It doesn't matter how long one has been a mage, or their position in the Circles, they can still be subject to this at any given time.
And when they do have a Templar escort, it's as much for their protection as everyone else's.
People despise mages. In Asunder, it takes about half an hour before the townspeople try to lynch Wynne&Co. The only reason people didn't die was because there was a Templar there.
I haven't read Asunder, so I'll just take your word for this on the second part. I've got some gift cards to dig up that I hadn't used from the holidays and I'm ordering that (and WoT) in the morning.
Edit: Stupid formatting. 
The bolded are my responses.
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