Yep, nothing better than watching your child die of starvation. Or maybe mauled by darkspawn. Or bandits. Or that noble thought your daugther was pretty.
Sure would be nice to be able to conjure some fireballs to defend themselves. Or to have some nice organization give you food without having to work 12 hours per day in the field; six of which to be able to pay your stipend.
But having a family makes it all good, right?
Better to have, than to not have at all. You also overlook the fact that none of that is a gaurantee for every peasant. Every circle mage will have their children taken away, there is no changing that. Unless of course they're forced to be apostates in which case all of the above apply with the added advantage of being hated and feared and paranoid about Templars.
The mages should be grateful they have the luxury of wondering just how free they are.
They don't wonder at all. Or do you not understand that they explicitly cannot leave the tower unless given special permission by their kindly masters.
As you can see, the Chantry has good reason to disencourage reproduction in the Circle.
So they can manage a population that they already dehumanize, much like the elves? What would appear to be benevolent forced celibacy is just another dagger in the back that the promiscuous peasants do not have to endure.
Wynne brew beverages in the Circle
Interesting, hopefully such a thing happens in most circles.
Given how we can discuss what to do with accidental babies, it's obvious the mages are sexually active.
Yet you do not hear or even see these pregnant mages, it's never brought up or mentioned . We simply know what happens to them if they do happen to have the nerve to exist. That leads me to believe that mages that can get away with having sex are simply lucky and probably rare. As Anders jokes about doing such in Fereldan's circle. If they were not, we would most certainly hear about it from a Templar or the Chantry itself.
Very few people actually had any mobility in the middle ages. You lived and died wherever you were born.
Is that mostly true in Thedas though? I recall that even the city elves could pack up and try to go somewhere else in DA origins. And they're...city elves.
Given the fact that Anders claims "everyone was kissing everyone" in Ferelden and how Rhys remarks that mages were allowed to visit Val-Royeaux in the White Spire, it becomes evident that Kirkwall is the exception, not the rule.
Not when we do not know what goes on in the other what, ten plus circles? Can't conclude anything. I'll grant that much.
And even in Kirkwall, no one batted an eyelash when a mage left the grounds to go meet up with a suitor(that woman Quentin killed). Why? Because she was considered to be trustworthy.
I do not know exactly what you're talking about here. However, it is the exception and does not appear to be the rule.
There is a rethoric warning against the dangers of magic; and that is very, VERY different being trained to hate mages on principle(would you rather the Chantry censor the dangers of magic?); but, ultimately, Templars are no different from any guardsmen stationed in Thedosian cities. Some will, no doubt, be corrupt jerks who will abuse their power but most of them are either people trying to make enough to survive or people who honestly believe in keeping order and protecting others.
And yes, this is very much true of the Templars. There are certain instances in DA2 where it is made abundantly clear that people like Alrik are a minority within the ranks. For instance, Ella sends you a letter if she is returned to the Circle in where she writes that no one misses Alrik and that most Templars don't want to fight mages, they just want things to return to normal. Bethany says as much in her own letters.
Ah, never returned Ella to the circle, interesting to know. I'll agree that not every Templar is an Alrik and not every Templar is a Karras. But when the Chantry teaches that mages are responsible for original sin how do you think their 'holy warriors' are going to act towards mages? Wesley's reaction to Bethany is very telling of the amount of fearmongering going on and Wesley was a good dude. He would have to be to be married to Aveline the lawful. Also, when a Templar chooses to abuse his charges the mage is completely dependant upon the KC of that circle if they're not outright threatend by the abuser to remain quiet or risk tranquility or death of themselves or their friends. So unless of you've got a Thrask or Greagoir, why would a mage even take the risk? Bottomline, lighten the hell up. Don't be their friends but don't be so damned menacing either.
Seriously?
Most seriously. What about Thedas leads you to believe that peasants are ball and chained to their lands indefinitely and that they have phylacteries so men in armor can hunt them down, drag them back or murder them? Can you point to where they're all caged up and not allowed to move outside of their tower? Can you point to where they will never quit their pursuit and keep them on the run forever? And I do not mean exceptional criminals I'm talking about mages like Malcolm or Bethany or even Dalish Keepers. I do not believe that you can.
Mages are hounded because, if outside of the Circle, they are a threat to themselves and every one else around them. You acknowledge this because I remember you posting something about how the Circle trapped the mages in there with Uldred; but you'd rather expose everyone else to this threat so the mages can have a few freedoms. Never mind that these freedoms are provided, if also restricted, in the Circle.
They are a threat, though the meaning is very broad as it pertains to mages. Merill(I'm sorry BSN) can run around using blood magic and bring dangerous tech to Kirkwall and not a damned thing happens. Anders can do much the same. He almost murders Ella but he keeps it intact with a spirt trapped in his body for almost a decade. What about Morrigan and other home trained mages? The Seers, Chasind, Keepers? Oh there's definitely a risk attached to mages outside the circle, but tell me. Exactly why should mages have to continue paying for mundane security at the very cost of their livelihood? Why is it ok to pull them out of their prisons when needed in a war and then toss them back as if they were tools that you put away in a shed? These 'freedoms' are not provided to a large majority of mages.
And yes, Bethany is a good example. Given how good nature and her skill, Meredith spoke well of her. And what did this result in? In Bethany being allowed to go to a party without a Templar escort.
And tell me where did she return to ultimately?
This why people have been known to commit crimes in order to be sent to confortable prisons?
Seriously, ask a thirld-worlder if he'd rather continue living in his home country or go to a prison in Sweden.
I'm sure that some would. Would most or even all? I highly doubt it. It would mean giving up your family, freedom of mobility, sex unless you can be sneaky about it among other things.
And my underlining point is that given the fact mages can become weapons of mass destruction to the point a mage child like Connorn can destroy a city, killing dozens or hundreds of innocent, orphaning so many before sending their loved one to eat their faces; and the fact that the Circle provides quality of life in many ways superior to what the average Thedosian experiences, it wouldn't be so ungodly unreasonable to ask them to make some sacrifices to ensure the safety of the general population.
But apparently, that is just too bloody much to ask.
Connor was an anomaly, a perfect storm. Templars away, most soldiers away, Isolde hid him, hired a bad tutor, his father fell ill because of said tutor. There are so many variables there, not the best example. I will grant dozens, hundreds? I doubt that they wouldn't be put down by that point. Who's asking? The Templars kick in the door and drag their asses to the circle whether they like it or not. Maybe that's what the problem is. You and I have different views on what Quality of life means so I'll agree to disagree on that bit. And when the templars can indiscrimantly kill mages for crimes that they did not commit and lobotomize them based on fautly evidence? Agreed, it's just too blood much to ask.
I am bold.
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