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[eyezonlyii]

So is there really any difference in a six year old living in a Circle or an infant? Neither is skilled enough to protect themselves from an abomination.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I want to say six years as a joke.

 

More seriously, I suppose a six year old is more self sufficient since they can walk, talk, etc. But yeah, that won't matter when facing this:

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know, the world is coming around to greater acceptance of the right-to-die thing. Which Pharamond most definitely had, given the alternative.

 

Right when Luxembourg, The Netherlands and three individual states in the United States, become the rest of the planet, gimmie a call okay? Still seems like the majority of the world is adamantly against it.

 

Being kept safe from his own weakness?

 

Oh the horror!

[KainD]

Right when Luxembourg, The Netherlands and three individual states in the United States, become the rest of the planet, gimmie a call okay? Still seems like the majority of the world is adamantly against it.

 

Being kept safe from his own weakness?

 

Oh the horror!

 

Individual should always have the authority over their own life/death. Your stance is very harmful, more so than anything an individual can ever do. 

[DrBlingzle]

To be honest at this point I think people (both in thedas and the BSN) need to have more empathy for the other side in the whole mage v templar tebate. Pro-mages need to ask themselves how they would feel if their family had been killed by an abomination. Pro-templars also need to ask themselves how they would feel if they were, or someone they loved was, a mage.

Just my opinion anyway.

[Master Warder Z_]

Individual should always have the authority over their own life/death. Your stance is very harmful, more so than anything an individual can ever do. 

 

Maybe i am of the mind that the only use for the "individual" is their utility to the state? You cannot get a corpse to work, you cannot get a corpse to pay taxes, Admittedly the majority of those seeking assisted suicide are dying from terminal illness, but the point remains. Suicide Booths should remain illegal in our reality.

 

But we are drifting into real life politics now.

[AresKeith]

I want to say six years as a joke.

 

More seriously, I suppose a six year old is more self sufficient since they can walk, talk, etc. But yeah, that won't matter when facing this:

 

Well going by lore nobody is truly skilled at facing one

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well going by lore nobody is truly skilled at facing one

Indeed. 

[The Elder King]

I don't want to enter in the discussion about a person having the right to die, but Pharamond wasn't in the same position of a person that couldn't kill himself. He could've bit his tongue, if he wanted to escape the Tranquil fate.
And regardless if he wanted to die or not, Adrian (in my opinion) used the situation to take advantage of it and block the only person capable of stopping Fiona's vote (Wynne), not to mention selling her best friend to the templars (and knowing Lambert, there was good chances that Rhys would've get killed). She didn't kill him out of Mercy.

[KainD]

Maybe i am of the mind that the only use for the "individual" is their utility to the state? You cannot get a corpse to work, you cannot get a corpse to pay taxes, Admittedly the majority of those seeking assisted suicide are dying from terminal illness, but the point remains. Suicide Booths should remain illegal in our reality.

 

I'm just not sure I could condemn any point of view more than this one you have right here. There is literally nothing worse I can imagine anyone ever doing than denying someone death. 

[DrBlingzle]

I've thought this over because of the many things wrong with both mages and templars, and I've decided that the best solution would be a compromise. I say make the Circle more like a school than a prison. They should still take the children at a young age because young children do not know how to protect themselves against the Fade. The parents of these children should be granted the right to visit their children any time they want. Doing this ensures that mages are treated well, and this also is a good step in preventing a revolt since it takes a big step in reducing the oppression that the mages will feel. I also feel that mages should have more freedom in apprenticeships and the teaching of blood magic. I feel like giving young mages the knowledge about how dangerous blood magic is and why blood magic is dangerous will actually lead to less mages wanting to use blood magic. Knowledge leads to awareness. Awareness leads to choice. The balance of power in this type of Circle should be even, so the templars actually have their say since they are still putting themselves in a dangerous situation. Bad stuff happens and bad people exist. The templars should have the power to prevent and react to this fact.

I don't really feel like the templars are evil. They generally are taking drastic actions in response to drastic situations (or at least the possibility of drastic situations). That said, the system is pretty broken.

Good luck getting your own opinions through at this point. I think the rest of the people on this thread are arguing about euthanasia right now .

[AresKeith]

I've thought this over because of the many things wrong with both mages and templars, and I've decided that the best solution would be a compromise. I say make the Circle more like a school than a prison. They should still take the children at a young age because young children do not know how to protect themselves against the Fade. The parents of these children should be granted the right to visit their children any time they want. Doing this ensures that mages are treated well, and this also is a good step in preventing a revolt since it takes a big step in reducing the oppression that the mages will feel. I also feel that mages should have more freedom in apprenticeships and the teaching of blood magic. I feel like giving young mages the knowledge about how dangerous blood magic is and why blood magic is dangerous will actually lead to less mages wanting to use blood magic. Knowledge leads to awareness. Awareness leads to choice. The balance of power in this type of Circle should be even, so the templars actually have their say since they are still putting themselves in a dangerous situation. Bad stuff happens and bad people exist. The templars should have the power to prevent and react to this fact.

 

I don't really feel like the templars are evil. They generally are taking drastic actions in response to drastic situations (or at least the possibility of drastic situations). That said, the system is pretty broken.

 

Pretty much how I'd did it with a reformed Circle, more or less

[Master Warder Z_]

Pretty much how I'd did it with a reformed Circle, more or less

 

I myself agreed with most of it besides well, you know the "teaching" of blood magic, That **** should remain something that gets your head separated from your shoulders.

[Xilizhra]

I don't want to enter in the discussion about a person having the right to die, but Pharamond wasn't in the same position of a person that couldn't kill himself. He could've bit his tongue, if he wanted to escape the Tranquil fate.
And regardless if he wanted to die or not, Adrian (in my opinion) used the situation to take advantage of it and block the only person capable of stopping Fiona's vote (Wynne), not to mention selling her best friend to the templars (and knowing Lambert, there was good chances that Rhys would've get killed). She didn't kill him out of Mercy.

Mercy was most definitely a factor.

 

 

Maybe i am of the mind that the only use for the "individual" is their utility to the state? You cannot get a corpse to work, you cannot get a corpse to pay taxes, Admittedly the majority of those seeking assisted suicide are dying from terminal illness, but the point remains. Suicide Booths should remain illegal in our reality.

 

But we are drifting into real life politics now.

You never succeed in surprising me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Warden, no. Bad Warden. 

 

[Divine Justinia V]

Welp, time to go back to sleep.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mercy was most definitely a factor.

 

Over pushing her demented agenda?

 

I doubt it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Good luck getting your own opinions through at this point. I think the rest of the people on this thread are arguing about euthanasia right now .

Don't lump us all together.

[AresKeith]

I myself agreed with most of it besides well, you know the "teaching" of blood magic, That **** should remain something that gets your head separated from your shoulders.

Even I'm skeptical about that part, one of hand it does seem like a good idea to teach them the dangers of it and one the other hand it can cause a massive risk and problem

[Xilizhra]

Over pushing her demented agenda?

 

I doubt it.

Over or not, it was along with it. Adrian's always been vehemently against Tranquility.

[AresKeith]

Mercy was most definitely a factor.

That is a straight up lie on so many levels

[The Elder King]

Mercy was most definitely a factor.

Sorry, I don't see it that way.

[Master Warder Z_]

Over or not, it was along with it. Adrian's always been vehemently against Tranquility.

 

It doesn't make it anything more then what it ultimately was though, a Murder used to instigate rebellion and force war.

 

There isn't anything vaguely moral about it, And it sort of turned even her mage boytoy against her, for a Templar none the less!

[Xilizhra]

Sorry, I don't see it that way.

As I mentioned, she's always been heavily against Tranquility.

 

There isn't anything vaguely moral about it, And it sort of turned even her mage boytoy against her, for a Templar none the less!

Ex-templar. And they weren't dating at that point in any case.

In any case, it was ultimately moral.