My point is that what he sees as "sparing" is very probably, in this situation, not what the mages in question would see it as.
And again, considering Cullen is against the tranquil solution, I don't think he intends to mass tranquil anyone.
Also, considering he is largely a stickler for the rules, it is illegal to tranquil someone who has passed the harrowing, I don't think those mages are in danger of tranquility.
And again, considering Cullen is against the tranquil solution, I don't think he intends to mass tranquil anyone.
Also, considering he is largely a stickler for the rules, it is illegal to tranquil someone who has passed the harrowing, I don't think those mages are in danger of tranquility.
The normal rules are suspended during Annulment. Tranquility can be used there on those who weren't just killed out of hand.
Wasn't Fiona a senior Warden? She has led her fellows out of literal hell and alive. I can see her having leadership skills. Some falsely accuse her of being emotional but she is just relentless. We see that in calling too. Giving up is not a concept for her. I mean she said “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it — and that moment is now.” That sounds like someone who would lead, not follow.
Also by default Fiona is a leader as grand enchanter, at least in a specific area.
In all those roles though they were magically artillery, they weren't leading men, concerning themselves with logistical lines or attempting to maintain a war effort.
They were in battle, using their abilities to defeat large swarms of enemies that threatened entire kingdoms. I think you give them too little credit. Even Windhelm played a role during the Ferelden rebellion.
On the other hand the Templars have been a Military organization since their inception from the Inquisition, they exist as a standing army, The mages do not.
So i view the notion of mage war leaders as an exception not a norm.
A military that watches over mages, specifically. If the templars can adapt to handle a war against the mages, I don't see why you think it's implausible for the mages to accomplish the same; it's turned into a continental war, after all.
Wasn't Fiona a senior Warden? She has led her fellows out of literal hell and alive. I can see her having leadership skills. Some falsely accuse her of being emotional but she is just relentless. We see that in calling too. Giving up is not a concept for her. I mean she said “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it — and that moment is now.” That sounds like someone who would lead, not follow.
Also by default Fiona is a leader as grand enchanter, at least in a specific area.
Fiona wasn't a warden very long. Being a leader also doesn't make you a military leader or tactician which is what Z is referring to.
Perhaps in the past, but there haven't been too many recent military conflicts that have involved Circle mages, short of the few sent from Kinloch Hold to help against the Blight.
I think the Circle mages had to stand up for the challenge when the time came. Their skill was addressed as a factor in the New Exalted Marches: "The greatest advantage that the Chantry-led forces had against the Qunari was, in fact, the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor a great hatred for all things magical. They possessed mages, but these were little better than animals kept on leashes... and none of the Qunari mages possessed anywhere near the skill that the Circle's mages had. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire and it proved effective indeed."
Fiona wasn't a warden very long. Being a leader also doesn't make you a military leader or tactician which is what Z is referring to.
And when did Templars learned "military" tactics? All they do is stand guard all day long. They know how to fight no question there but there is no indications that they are trained like a military leader to lead forces into battle like a nation. In events such as exalted marches they followed orders of military tacticians from a nation's army.
But we know for a fact that Grey Wardens are brilliant tacticians and although always outnumbered they manage to beat the darkspawn.
And when did Templars learned "military" tactics? All they do is stand guard all day long. They know how to fight no question there but there is no indications that they are trained like a military leader to lead forces into battle like a nation. In events such as exalted marches they followed orders of military tacticians from a nation's army.
But we know for a fact that Grey Wardens are brilliant tacticians and although always outnumbered they manage to beat the darkspawn.
*Citations needed.
But we know for a fact that Grey Wardens are brilliant tacticians and although always outnumbered they manage to beat the darkspawn.
Erm, I'd argue that personally.
They were in battle, using their abilities to defeat large swarms of enemies that threatened entire kingdoms. I think you give them too little credit. Even Windhelm played a role during the Ferelden rebellion.
A military that watches over mages, specifically. If the templars can adapt to handle a war against the mages, I don't see why you think it's implausible for the mages to accomplish the same; it's turned into a continental war, after all.
Again magically Artillery, not command of Armies in the field.
I'm not saying they cannot manage in battle, i am saying they cannot manage themselves as an army when they have no experience doing so, the Templars have a logistical basis, they have a order based around martial action and movement, My point is.
You cannot gather people together and declare yourself an army and it magically be so.
Armies, Require structures of command, Logistics and more then anything else, Armies require the capacity to act as a disciplined singular instrument.
In your place i'd first worry about how all these Circle flowers going to survive on their own. Grace's group didn't get that far even without phylacteries.
Erm, I'd argue that personally.
Again magically Artillery, not command of Armies in the field.
I'm not saying they cannot manage in battle, i am saying they cannot manage themselves as an army when they have no experience doing so, the Templars have a logistical basis, they have a order based around martial action and movement, My point is.
You cannot gather people together and declare yourself an army and it magically be so.
Armies, Require structures of command, Logistics and more then anything else, Armies require the capacity to act as a disciplined singular instrument.
Well, wouldn't the Circle serve as a basis for such a structure? First enchanter>Senior Enchanter>Junior Enchanter>Apprentice?
The major problem with the mages though, and I'm sure you've said this, but I'm too lazy to read everything, is that unlike the Templars, they are not a combat capable force. The Templar order is comprised of able bodied men and women somewhere near the prime of their lives, whereas the mages are a cobbled together "family" of old, men, women, children...most of whom have no idea what a real combat scenario is. As much I as love the idea of a mage revolution, with the stress and desperation of this thing going, I would be surprised not to see a drastic uptick in the number of abominations running around.
*Citations needed.
Erm, I'd argue that personally.
OK lets begin, shall we?
First blight
in -203 Ancient (992 TE), the Grey Wardens gathered an allied army composed of soldiers from the Tevinter Imperium, the tribes of the Ciraine (the lands that would become Orlais), and Rivain to confront the main darkspawn horde, led by the archdemon now identified as Dumat. The Grey Wardens were the leaders of that battle and they rallied all the troops. It was the Grey Wardens who defeated the first blight and saved the whole world.
Second blight
In the following decades, the Blight was again slowly pushed back and the Grey Wardens took command of the war. The archdemon Zazikel was finally confronted and slain by Grey Wardens in 1:95 Divine at Starkhaven in the Free Marches.
Third Blight
The Third Blight began with the awakening of Toth in 3:10 Towers, roughly 200 years after the last Blight. The initial darkspawn attacks occurred in central Thedas in Tevinter and Orlais, but even though the hordes were larger than those previously encountered, a rapidly-organized defense led by the Grey Wardens managed to hold them back. The darkspawn attacks started to focus on the more lightly defended Free Marches while Tevinter and Orlais tried to remain neutral, but pressure from the Grey Wardens eventually brought them into the war. The darkspawn horde was crushed at Hunter Fell in the Free Marches in 3:25 Towers, and Toth was slain by the Grey Wardens. The third Blight remained a relatively short event compared to previous Blights.
Fourth Blight
Not much is told about the Grey Wardens for another 200 years, when Andoral awakened and the Fourth Blight began in 5:12 Exalted. Most of the damage was to the east of traditional Grey Warden territory, in the Free Marches, Antiva, and Rivain, but the Anderfels was also attacked and Hossberg, not far from Weisshaupt, came under siege. This time, both Tevinter and Orlais were lightly attacked and refused to send aid. The hero of the Fourth Blight was an elven Grey Warden named Garahel, who first led the liberation of Hossberg in 5:20 Exalted and then managed to gather an army from the Free Marches to support the Grey Wardens. Garahel's army marched north and faced the main horde in 5:24 Exalted at Ayesleigh, where Garahel perished after personally slaying Andoral.
Too long didn't read: The whole word was saved 4 times solely because of Grey Warden's brilliant tactics and strategy. The Grey Wardens were granted right of conscription for this very reason. They were meant to be above all laws. The chantry itself supported this right during the first blight.
In your place i'd first worry about how all these Circle flowers going to survive on their own. Grace's group didn't get that far even without phylacteries.
Pillage.
In your place i'd first worry about how all these Circle flowers going to survive on their own. Grace's group didn't get that far even without phylacteries.
Not every Starkhaven mage was captured, which is why Terrie can introduce Hawke to the mage underground. There are other mages who avoid the templars as well, some with the help of the Mages Collective.
Pillage.
Way to turn from potential criminals into obvious criminals. Helps the cause and attracts the sympathies of the masses, i applaud you.
Way to turn from potential criminals into obvious criminals. Helps the cause and attracts the sympathies of the masses, i applaud you.
Who cares about the masses? Already criminals, masses supported the circle for centuries.
Who cares about the masses?
According to Grace they lived in the woods and ate Carrion to survive :|
According to Grace they lived in the woods and ate Carrion to survive :|
You'd think they could find a deer to fireball and roast.
You'd think they could find a deer to fireball and roast.
Seriously, a mage hunter would be the most efficient one out there. Killing and cooking at the same time! Peasant housewives would save so much time!
Too long didn't read: The whole word was saved 4 times solely because of Grey Warden's brilliant tactics and strategy.
You do realize in the four instances you cited, The Gray Wardens in question were either former soldiers or had armies, whom likely had capable leaders advising them correct?
I'd just say it's a stretch assuming that their "brilliant" tactics were the cause and effect of victory when in the fifth blight they were more or less content to sit back and let a Fereldan Army general dictate the plan of battle.
Just saying.
You'd think they could find a deer to fireball and roast.
Perhaps deer provided to be too agile for clumsy Circle mages and their clumsy fireballs? 
Corpses at least don't move. Well, not until you animate them, of course.
According to Grace they lived in the woods and ate Carrion to survive :|
When they could have gone to the Circle and lived fat off of the Chantry's pocketbook.
Tough decisions!
Perhaps deer provided to be too agile for clumsy Circle mages and their clumsy fireballs?
Make a bigger fireball, summon a meteor storm!
A little unhealthy for the ecosystem, but hey you gotta eat now.
You do realize in the four instances you cited, The Gray Wardens in question were either former soldiers or had armies, whom likely had capable leaders advising them correct?
I'd just say it's a stretch assuming that their "brilliant" tactics were the cause and effect of victory when in the fifth blight they were more or less content to sit back and let a Fereldan Army general dictate the plan of battle.
Just saying.
The lore clearly states they were LEADERS. Sure they had help, strongest Tevinter Magisters aided them in first blight but they were the leaders, in all 4 blights. This is not something you can twist. They are world renowned tacticians and strategists.
Also there were like 20 or less wardens in Ferelden during fifth blight. They are not miracle workers.
Make a bigger fireball, summon a meteor storm!
A little unhealthy for the ecosystem, but hey you gotta eat now.
Err, i don't think they'd find anything resembling a deer afterwards, in that case 
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