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[AresKeith]

Obviously not, but they'll be better equipped to deal with Qunari than a weakend bunch of tin soldiers with swords and boards.

 

And you do realize that mages alone can't fully handle the Qunari?

[Master Warder Z_]

And you think the mages will be in their top form after the war?

 

Obviously not, but it seems he is vindictive enough not to care

 

Just as long as "the chantry" is gone.

 

[Hellion Rex]

Obviously not, but it seems he is vindictive enough not to care

 

Just as long as "the chantry" is gone.

 

Down with religion!

[Master Warder Z_]

And you do realize that mages alone can't fully handle the Qunari?

 

obviously not, considering it took every Nation in Thedas tossing armies at them, multiple exalted marches and the Chantry and Monarchies going broke to fight them off the first time.

[AresKeith]

Down with religion!

 

No

[EmissaryofLies]

And you do realize that mages alone can't fully handle the Qunari?

 

And you realize that the Chantry alone can't fully handle the Qunari? The mages also have a better chance at fleeing the Qun.

 

Obviously not, but it seems he is vindictive enough not to care

 

Just as long as "the chantry" is gone.

 

 

You're actually correct, if there's no other way to bring the Chantry out of power.

 

They will accept mage demands or they'll bleed. Or the mages can find a way to bend Justinia. Which wouldn't be too difficult to engineer. After all, the mage leaders are quite good at manipulation.

[AresKeith]

And you realize that the Chantry alone can't fully handle the Qunari? The mages also have a better chance at fleeing the Qun.

 

>implying I even said that

[KainD]

Was there anything in lore that made a person immune to tranquility other than being in bond with a fade entity? 

[Master Warder Z_]

They will accept mage demands or they'll bleed. Or the mages can find a way to bend Justinia. Which wouldn't be too difficult to engineer. After all, the mage leaders are quite good at manipulation.

 

You know i may not be entirely correct for how the conflict may be end, but i will say this, Thedas becoming little teveinter ain't going to happen

 

Or they won't? Given there is nothing concrete even saying the Mages have anything guaranteeing them victory.

 

So all this blah blah We will topple the Chantry, Blah Blah we will live as men garbage while amusing to view as most fantasy induced deliriums are, seems to me more like a deluded pipe dream then a possible future in Thedas.

[EmissaryofLies]

>implying I even said that

 

Right.

 

You know i may not be entirely correct for how the conflict may be end, but i will say this, Thedas becoming little teveinter ain't going to happen

 

Or they won't? Given there is nothing concrete even saying the Mages have anything guaranteeing them victory.

 

So all this blah blah We will topple the Chantry, Blah Blah we will live as men garbage while amusing to view as most fantasy induced deliriums are, seems to me more like a deluded pipe dream then a possible future in Thedas.

 

Everything about this is wrong and expounding upon it would require too much time. So I'll just say this, the mages aren't going back into their cages. They will unleash a bigger hell than we've seen so far on Thedas before they go back under templar orders, to their tranquility or worse. The templars have had their fun for a thousand years. It is time for a change, and there's every reason to believe that the mages will be free from their circles. Templars betrayed the Chantry, they're Red brethren are terrorizing the landscape.

 

They're in a very bad spot and we haven't even played the game yet.

[The Baconer]

'Fortunately' the Qunari have already developed a method for dealing with unruly/unstable Mages. The sort of person who would use the Tranquil cure as described would have no qualms about slapping a Mage in a Sarebaas harness before 'waking them up'.

 

Do we know that it's the harness/collar/rod that is so effective, or the Qunari's methods of indoctrination? Do we even know if they're as foolproof as they would have us believe? Given that WoT has said that the Qunari's interactions with the Fade differ greatly from that of humans and elves, could it even be assumed that a Saarebas' apparatus would work as intended when fitted to those races?

[TK514]

Was there anything in lore that made a person immune to tranquility other than being in bond with a fade entity?

Nothing that I'm familiar with. And I don't believe we've ever heard of the Rite being performed on someone who was actively possessed, like Wynne or Anders. No telling what would happen in that case.

[KainD]

They will unleash a bigger hell than we've seen so far on Thedas before they go back under templar orders, to their tranquility or worse. 

 

They should like join the agents of chaos or something. 

[AresKeith]

Right.

 

 

Everything about this is wrong and expounding upon it would require too much time. So I'll just say this, the mages aren't going back into their cages. They will unleash a bigger hell than we've seen so far on Thedas before they go back under templar orders, to their tranquility or worse. The templars have had their fun for a thousand years. It is time for a change, and there's every reason to believe that the mages will be free from their circles. Templars betrayed the Chantry, they're Red brethren are terrorizing the landscape.

 

They're in a very bad spot and we haven't even played the game yet.

 

It'll take all Thedas not the Mages and not the Chantry to deal with the Qunari

 

And your reply to MWZ is subjective at best, at least without some changes

[TK514]

Do we know that it's the harness/collar/rod that is so effective, or the Qunari's methods of indoctrination? Do we even know if they're as foolproof as they would have us believe? Given that WoT has said that the Qunari's interactions with the Fade differ greatly from that of humans and elves, could it even be assumed that a Saarebas' apparatus would work as intended when fitted to those races?

All speculation at this point. As is, fortunately, anyone willing to use the Tranquility cure as described.

I'd simply never seen it brought up before, and, if I were pro-Mage, it would think it would be a serious concern.

[KainD]

Nothing that I'm familiar with. And I don't believe we've ever heard of the Rite being performed on someone who was actively possessed, like Wynne or Anders. No telling what would happen in that case.

 

I think it makes sense for them to be immune. 

[KainD]

I'd simply never seen it brought up before, and, if I were pro-Mage, it would think it would be a serious concern.

 

If someone is really pro-mage their only current concern should be the Qunari.  

[TK514]

I think it makes sense for them to be immune.

Or it would work, and you'd end up with the same sort of entity that results from a spirit possessing anything that isn't a Mage.

[EmissaryofLies]

It'll take all Thedas not the Mages and not the Chantry to deal with the Qunari

 

And your reply to MWZ is subjective at best, at least without some changes

 

That's a really good point...Leaves very good leverage room for mages who when I remember correctly, were the last bastion of hope the last time the Qun was kickin' around.

 

At this point, I doubt it. Hundreds, maybe thousands of mages all cutting lose and throwing everything they can at an enemy that even appears to be winning? Yeah, blackmarsh will look like a paradise by the time the conflict ends.

[Dean_the_Young]

As a complete tangent, I'm not really sure why people view a cure for Tranquility as a wonderous and fantastic development for Mages.

Call me cynical, but if you're the type to view Tranquility as some unending horror, I would expect you to be terrified at how such a cure could be misused.

Right now, to pros and cons of making someone Tranquil had to be weighed, because it was an irrevocable decision. Alrik's Tranquil Solution was unthinkable because it was drastic and irreversible.

But consider this: What use does the majority of Thedas have for Mages when they aren't being used to wage war? Healing magic is far too rare to be a practical concern. Mages mostly have access to offensive spells. So what's to prevent an outside merciless controlling body from making every Mage Tranquil, and thus useful as enchanters, then curing the ones they need to fight when they are needed?

To the right sort of person, the Tranquil Solution would no longer seem so drastic. Where before Tranquility had to be used like a scalpel, now it can be an all encompassing blanket.

It would certainly worry me.

 

All speculation at this point. As is, fortunately, anyone willing to use the Tranquility cure as described.

I'd simply never seen it brought up before, and, if I were pro-Mage, it would think it would be a serious concern.

 

I agree. I also realized the implications- but I thought the very Tarquin-esque manner your propose was worth saving for a rainy day.

 

I just focused on the point that Tranquility would eventually not be considered a reliable alternative to death for mages not trusted to endure the fade. Considering that even the Dalish will advise killing someone who is too much of a risk, well-

[KainD]

Or it would work, and you'd end up with the same sort of entity that results from a spirit possessing anything that isn't a Mage.

 

But the entity would connect the body right back to the fade restoring them to a mage, as long as they are possessed, if the possession would end however the mage in question should become tranquil, as opposed to merely being free of possession.  

[TK514]

But the entity would connect the body right back to the fade restoring them to a mage, as long as they are possessed, if the possession would end however the mage in question should become tranquil, as opposed to merely being free of possession.

Not necessarily. Lots of possibilities as to what might happen. It might do to the spirit what the Baroness did to Justice, trapping it outside the Fade, as just another possibility.

[Grieving Natashina]

Not necessarily. Lots of possibilities as to what might happen. It might do to the spirit what the Baroness did to Justice, trapping it outside the Fade, as just another possibility.

If that whole series of events is any indication, the people of Thedas are in deep crap with the Veil tears.  Mind you, the Baroness was trapped outside of the Fade too, much to her joy. The Baroness was (pleasantly) surprised she ended up in the Fade, and marveled a bit at the power she felt.  That was a pretty powerful Pride demon (and one helluva boss fight,) and happy to be outside of the Fade.    

 

That doesn't bode very well, although it does whet my appetite for Inquisition a little bit more. 

 

Now, since it was a Pride demon, how much of its/her statement was true and how much of its nature showing itself is a bit up for debate.  Still, if the lore holds even a bit of water outside of the games, a Pride demon manifesting in full power is a very bad thing indeed.

 

And yet here we are, debating about mages and templars.  I hope the DA team is allowed to release some new information soon. 

[renfrees]

And you realize that the Chantry alone can't fully handle the Qunari? The mages also have a better chance at fleeing the Qun.

Not when they're collared and rod-controlled. Welcome to reality.

[Lulupab]

Nothing that I'm familiar with. And I don't believe we've ever heard of the Rite being performed on someone who was actively possessed, like Wynne or Anders. No telling what would happen in that case.

 

Its quite obvious actually. We cannot cure possession. There is absolutely no way to remove the fade entity without killing the host. That said since the entity will never leave someone merged with one is completely immune to tranquility because you are trying to severe them from the fade while the fade is inside their very soul.

 

You do realize you bump Lyrium to mage's head to make them tranquil? As codex states spirits and demons can manipulate Lyrium's very being. They will absorb it as food