The technical term would be indefinite: it will last until the contagion has run its course, however long it takes.
Leper colonies were a thing, you know. Multi-generational quarantine communities existed. It was considered kinder than, well, putting them all to the sword.
What rights and freedoms does everyone in Thedas claim?
That has been my basic argument for a while now. It isn't like human rights truly exist in Thedas anyway.
DA timeline is just stupid and sources of information differ from each other, bugger it all!
Ignoring the timelines, the fact remains that the first blight was defeated with a lot of help from magic. The creation of grey wardens and participation of many mages noticeably strongest of Tevinter magisters etc...
That said its not " head canon" the mages were fugitives and hunted.
"There was no Circle to submit. If you're picturing mages as having any kind of organization with which the Chantry would have negotiated, then you're picturing it incorrectly.
In the time during which the Circle of Magi was created by the Chantry and the Inquisition, any mages outside of the Tevinter Imperium existed primarily as fugitives and loners. At best they formed small cabals. These would have been slowly and systematically dealt with by the newly-formed Circle as it expanded across Thedas, one tower built at a time... it did not spring up overnight over the entire continent. And the mages so subsumed had little choice in the matter. Considering that it was a time of chaos where anyone with magical talent was viewed with terror, I imagine there's no small number who were relieved to be offered protection-- no matter the price" -Gaider
DA timeline is just stupid and sources of information differ from each other, bugger it all!
Ignoring the timelines, the fact remains that the first blight was defeated with a lot of help from magic. The creation of grey wardens and participation of many mages noticeably strongest of Tevinter magisters etc...
That said its not " head canon" the mages were fugitives and hunted. There was no Circle to submit. If you're picturing mages as having any kind of organization with which the Chantry would have negotiated, then you're picturing it incorrectly.
In the time during which the Circle of Magi was created by the Chantry and the Inquisition, any mages outside of the Tevinter Imperium existed primarily as fugitives and loners. At best they formed small cabals. These would have been slowly and systematically dealt with by the newly-formed Circle as it expanded across Thedas, one tower built at a time... it did not spring up overnight over the entire continent. And the mages so subsumed had little choice in the matter. Considering that it was a time of chaos where anyone with magical talent was viewed with terror, I imagine there's no small number who were relieved to be offered protection-- no matter the price" -Gaider
That is entirely different from being hunted and killed in large numbers. They are hunted today, because they are supposed to go to the tower, that doesn't mean they are out there being murdered for being mages as you opined. Gaider is saying as the circles were built, mages were found and absorbed into the circles. If the mass population hunted mages down before the chantry truly was in power, that isn't the chantry's fault.
Yes, the apostates are a symptom of the system's failure. They exist directly because they refuse to be subject to he system.Those outside the circle are a symptom of its failing? And Uldred and his minority if you even wish to consider that in truth a rebellion, was done so because the Circle failed to align with Loghain and Uldred was forced to attempt to seize it by force, an attempt which failed by the way, the Libertarians in this instance were little more then a cats paw for Loghain. Their politics may argue for Circle Antomy but the mere fact they had to instigate it by force promotes the notion that the majority of the mages turned against the "rebellion".
And The system is to be responsible now for third party meddling? Do you think Uldred would have led his revolt if Loghain had not prompted the Circle Align with his faction? Your instance upon the Circle being a failure seems to be more mired in belief then actual occurrence given that, Rebellions within DA of the circle have occurred only with the assistance of extenuating circumstance.
IndeedDon't forget the Fraternities that wanted to separate from the Chantry. That is thousands of mages right there.
Tell you what, Common ground time!
Can we all just agree that Mage Hats are evil wicked things that need to burned in a holy fire?
Abominations. However, I do like Vivienne's Maleficent hat.
Yes, the apostates are a symptom of the system's failure. They exist directly because they refuse to be subject to he system.
Didn't Loghain promise them autonomy in order to win them to his cause? Iirc
So yes, the system is broken no matter how much you like it. It has failed to protect and instead incites the very behaviours it is supposed to stop. *shrugs* This is a simple fact of the game world.
Indeed
Loghain promised a lot, ask Cailan, the grey wardens, and Jowan how his promises work out.
And again there were only a few hundred at Andoral's reach and that was supposed to represent the vast majority of the circle mages. I believe someone comments that this is all they can hope will arrive. So there are not 1000s of mages in the circles.
Tell you what, Common ground time!
Can we all just agree that Mage Hats are evil wicked things that need to burned in a holy fire?
I laughed way too loudly at this. 
Tell you what, Common ground time!
Can we all just agree that Mage Hats are evil wicked things that need to burned in a holy fire?
Good grief how true.
Yes, the apostates are a symptom of the system's failure. They exist directly because they refuse to be subject to he system.
Or they were born out of it, Escaped it. In fact according to Lore a good deal of most Apostates were NEVER apart of it, so how exactly would that be indicative of its failing?
Didn't Loghain promise them autonomy in order to win them to his cause?
Its subjective of what the exact deal was, Wynne maintains Uldred did it for the first Enchanter Position, One blood mage claims it was for Circle Autonomy, Ultimately? It doesn't matter, Catspaw is catspaw. This wasn't a grand rebellion, it was an attempt joining a side of the civil war and it turning into a crisis due to a singular mage's stupidity.
So yes, the system is broken no matter how much you like it. It has failed to protect and instead incites the very behaviours it is supposed to stop. *shrugs* This is a simple fact of the game world.
Not really? Given Mages as i have said before aren't reduced to: Anders, Fiona and Adrian, There are far more mages then them in the circle little lone the world, Yet you would automatically equate their faults with the circle for the failings of the circle. But War Mongers and those suffering from taint rot of the brain are like that, You can declare whatever you wish to be "fact, truth or indisputable" it doesn't make it so.
Didn't Loghain promise them autonomy in order to win them to his cause? Iirc
It was either that or more freedom. Either way, it was enough to get a vocal libertarian on their side. A ****** libertarian, at that.
Loghain promised a lot, ask Cailan, the grey wardens
By the Paragons can we not start with this drivel again?
Loghain promised a lot, ask Cailan, the grey wardens, and Jowan how his promises work out.
And again there were only a few hundred at Andoral's reach and that was supposed to represent the vast majority of the circle mages. I believe someone comments that this is all they can hope will arrive. So there are not 1000s of mages in the circles.
At the end of the book there were more than that and there were more trickling in every day.
...I wasn't commenting onon the likelihood of them heron their freedom out of it. Just that a chance at freedom incited it and, as you so helpfully pointed out, a rather dubious chance.Loghain promised a lot, ask Cailan, the grey wardens, and Jowan how his promises work out.
And again there were only a few hundred at Andoral's reach and that was supposed to represent the vast majority of the circle mages. I believe someone comments that this is all they can hope will arrive. So there are not 1000s of mages in the circles.
*snickers* Common ground established! That's it, women burned bra's back in the day, obviously the mages should burn their hats!Tell you what, Common ground time!
Can we all just agree that Mage Hats are evil wicked things that need to burned in a holy fire?
Not really. It is a prison and torture chamber. And I'm not talking about physical torture but emotional and psychological torture which is a damaging, if not more so, than physical torture.
I'm not arguing the necessity of the Circle's. I'm only criticizing the way you are approaching the situation, lest we end up in an endless cycle of rebellions.
When you are being generous to someone doesn't meant that they owe you anything. It was your action of being generous, that is your decision, your response-ability, and if you are not happy with results there is no one to blame but yourself.
Or they were born out of it, Escaped it. In fact according to Lore a good deal of most Apostates were NEVER apart of it, so how exactly would that be indicative of its failing?
Its subjective of what the exact deal was, Wynne maintains Uldred did it for the first Enchanter Position, One blood mage claims it was for Circle Autonomy, Ultimately? It doesn't matter, Catspaw is catspaw. This wasn't a grand rebellion, it was an attempt joining a side of the civil war and it turning into a crisis due to a singular mage's stupidity.
Not really? Given Mages as i have said before aren't reduced to: Anders, Fiona and Adrian, There are far more mages then them in the circle little lone the world, Yet you would automatically equate their faults with the circle for the failings of the circle. But War Mongers and those suffering from taint rot of the brain are like that, You can declare whatever you wish to be "fact, truth or indisputable" it doesn't make it so.
Before the Collage of Mages was closed down they almost voted to separate the Circle from the Chantry, but Wynne was able to talk them out of it. It almost passed and would have if not for Wynne.
I'm discussing neither of those things. I am specifically addressing your incredulity at the idea of generosity as relating to the Circles.
Which is what I just said. Again, at no point have I said the Mages should be grateful. I have specifically only said that the Chantry has been generous.
Which is indisputable.
Every single Mage, regardless of ability, talent, power or intellect, grows up in an environment of luxury and education most of Thedas can barely dream of. They do not work. They do not go wanting for luxuries. They pursue studies that are both challenging and stimulating, leading to increased satisfaction from their efforts.
If, as tiny suggests, Mages were only given luxury and education because they are useful, then the Chantry could save itself staggering amounts of funds by only educating and training the very few who are actually useful. We are told in DA:O that very few Mages have the magical strength to cast battle spells. These are Mages that pass their Harrowing, mind you. That being the case, it is Chantry generosity that has them provide this environment for all, rather than cherry picking the very few useful ones and chucking the rest in some godforsaken prison where they get gruel twice a day and zero luxuries.
Which is what they would do if the anti-Chantry crowd were right. They Chantry has zero practical reasons for providing for the Mage community as well as it does. They could have saved themselves immeasurable money and heartache by cherry picking the elite Mages and treating only those Mages well and discarding the 'chaff' to Tranquil sweatshops and forgotten mass graves.
Yet. They. Do. Not.
So, yes. I contend that the Chantry is generous. And that is ALL I contend.
The Chantry doesn't provide for the Circle. The Circle itself does. The crafts the Formari/Tranquil create and sell allow the Circle to acquire enough funds for them to purchase what they need (source: Tranquil at Ostagar, who says they couldn't get by on charity).
So really, the Chantry can't cherrypick even if they wanted to. It wouldn't work.
Seriously? As much as I disagree with Z's view, your view isn't any better
But it is true. They are under constant emotional and psychological strain, more so than what most other people are put under, and it could be counted as a form of torture. Not only that they are told they are a curse and a sin, that is going to have some serious ramification on a person mental and emotional health.
I can't tell if you are being purposefully obtuse or not...Or they were born out of it, Escaped it. In fact according to Lore a good deal of most Apostates were NEVER apart of it, so how exactly would that be indicative of its failing?
Its subjective of what the exact deal was, Wynne maintains Uldred did it for the first Enchanter Position, One blood mage claims it was for Circle Autonomy, Ultimately? It doesn't matter, Catspaw is catspaw. This wasn't a grand rebellion, it was an attempt joining a side of the civil war and it turning into a crisis due to a singular mage's stupidity.
Not really? Given Mages as i have said before aren't reduced to: Anders, Fiona and Adrian, There are far more mages then them in the circle little lone the world, Yet you would automatically equate their faults with the circle for the failings of the circle. But War Mongers and those suffering from taint rot of the brain are like that, You can declare whatever you wish to be "fact, truth or indisputable" it doesn't make it so.
In that neverending heated discussion, you people are forgetting one important piece of the puzzle to MvT conflict - the Seekers. The watchers of the watchmen.
Power corrupts. The Templars had power over Mages, which was initially inflicted as much as to protect the Mages themselves, as was from Mages. The Seekers were created to have power over Templars, to watch them and prevent from abusing their control over Mages.
So, the real question is - where were the Seekers, when things with Circles started to go downhill fast (it was relatively recent occurrence)? Where were the Seekers, when Templars startd to feel more and more free to push Mages to desperation? Where were the Seekers before Andoral's Reach happened? In ~10 years of Meredith's rule we haven't heard a sneeze of the Seekers in Kirkwall, not even a rumor of them coming.
Who we really have to blame - is the watchers, who has failed their duty to take preventive measures to stop the corruption from spreading, until it was too late.
In that neverending heated discussion, you people are forgetting one important piece of the puzzle to MvT conflict - the Seekers. The watchers of the watchmen.
Power corrupts. The Templars had power over Mages, which was initially inflicted as much as to protect the Mages themselves, as was from Mages. The Seekers were created to have power over Templars, to watch them and prevent from abusing their control over Mages.
So, the real question is - where were the Seekers, when things with Circles started to go downhill fast (it was relatively recent occurrence)? Where were the Seekers, when Templars startd to feel more and more free to push Mages to desperation? Where were the Seekers before Andoral's Reach happened? In ~10 years of Meredith's rule we haven't heard a sneeze of the Seekers in Kirkwall, not even a rumor of them coming.
Who we really have to blame - is the watchers, who has failed their duty to take preventive measures to stop the corruption from spreading, until it was too late.
I will agree with that. I am curious if the darkness that Cole senses in Lambert has a bigger meaning or role to play. It is entirely possible though unlikely that the black divine has got his blood magic mojo working on Lambert to bring about the destruction of the Chantry circle system in order to weaken the rest of Thedas.
Hey I said it was unlikely.....
In that neverending heated discussion, you people are forgetting one important piece of the puzzle to MvT conflict - the Seekers. The watchers of the watchmen.
Power corrupts. The Templars had power over Mages, which was initially inflicted as much as to protect the Mages themselves, as was from Mages. The Seekers were created to have power over Templars, to watch them and prevent from abusing their control over Mages.
So, the real question is - where were the Seekers, when things with Circles started to go downhill fast (it was relatively recent occurrence)? Where were the Seekers, when Templars startd to feel more and more free to push Mages to desperation? Where were the Seekers before Andoral's Reach happened? In ~10 years of Meredith's rule we haven't heard a sneeze of the Seekers in Kirkwall, not even a rumor of them coming.
Who we really have to blame - is the watchers, who has failed their duty to take preventive measures to stop the corruption from spreading, until it was too late.
Depending on how long Lambert was in control, it looks like he was in charge for the past decade, which, both sides have to admit, was an absolute travesty for Mage-Templar relations.
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