Greed and Vanity isn't a trait only mages have mundane have it too. Look at Arl Howe. He slaughtered his best friend for his land and power.
Considering that among mages it is manifested in 8/10 cases it is rather their trait but as i said replace greed with power hunger and acts of stupidity that is in set with magic.
That would be interesting, as long as it isn't done in DA2 where the obvious option of hey lets stop squabling and go find the serial killer or hey meredith, anders is gonna blow up the chantry options weren't available.
That would be interesting, as long as it isn't done in DA2 where the obvious option of hey lets stop squabling and go find the serial killer or hey meredith, anders is gonna blow up the chantry options weren't available.
I'm not too worried about that, to be honest. The DA team has said repeatedly that Kirkwall (and the events of DA2) was meant to represent the two factions at their most extreme. We should be getting some middle ground now.
I've said this in the active Anders thread, but I'll state it again here: As long as I'm not railroaded into a black or white option at the end of the game, I'll be happy. One of the things that made me the angriest about DA2 was being offered a third choice (siding with neither nutjob) and then having that taken away at the very end. I was seething a bit, because I wanted to leave Anders to his fate, get Bethany out, fight Meredith (they telegraphed that boss fight from her first appearance) and leave Kirkwall to burn. Instead, I was forced to choose between the mages (many of which were painted in a bad light) or the Templars (same thing,) which I despised.
I'm not too worried about that, to be honest. The DA team has said repeatedly that Kirkwall (and the events of DA2) was meant to represent the two factions at their most extreme. We should be getting some middle ground now.
I've said this in the active Anders thread, but I'll state it again here: As long as I'm not railroaded into a black or white option at the end of the game, I'll be happy. One of the things that made me the angriest about DA2 was being offered a third choice (siding with neither nutjob) and then having that taken away at the very end. I was seething a bit, because I wanted to leave Anders to his fate, get Bethany out, fight Meredith (they telegraphed that boss fight from her first appearance) and leave Kirkwall to burn. Instead, I was forced to choose between the mages (many of which were painted in a bad light) or the Templars (same thing,) which I despised.
My opinion of DA2 is well known. If they had had Orsino blow up the chantry the game would have made so much more sense. The 1st enchanter blows up the chantry, you can much more easily make the argument for the RoA. Heck even having Anders be the final bad for DA2 would have worked better.
That would be interesting, as long as it isn't done in DA2 where the obvious option of hey lets stop squabling and go find the serial killer or hey meredith, anders is gonna blow up the chantry options weren't available.
Both of which would have and did get the circle annulled.
As for companions, I would like to see interaction between pro-circle Vivienne, our bald elf mage, and a Templar companion. It would have some interesting banter as well as dialogue. I would also like to interject my own beliefs into the discussion (if we can)
Fixed that for you
Both of which would have and did get the circle annulled.
That wasn't my point. My point was more that it was a sensible option that was left out for various reasons, that I hope will be present in DAI.
@Z: Aye, but how would you like to see them humanized?
Well i guess i could go off here on a tangent given i was asked to do so, very well.
For Templars? Those would be rank and file people, Good and Bad, Abusive and compassionate, Warriors of Faith but wielders of a blade of Mercy. They aren't perfect people, They believe in what they do however, they buy into the Chantry teachings, and see the circle as a needed thing.Divine Right over Mages or no, I'd argue They legitimately do believe they are right in containing Mages from the common people and protecting Mages from themselves and the common people. I'd want them portrayed as such, the Rebels such as they are would have separated not only to make war upon the Mages and return the system to the status quo but also to protect the common people from the threat of magic.
To that end i'd like a few random encounters of Templars protecting the random mooks they are supposed be safeguarding from the common people or vice versa, I'd want Templars to actually do their duty, Same for the Seekers if the system is ever restored. I'd want them to be as people would be, not self driven notions of extremism and triteness merely to incite a point. Ultimately for this faction? I just want them to be portrayed in a more sane light then they were in DA 2 but in a slightly more aggressive state due to the hostilities then they were in DAO.
They are an Army built to safeguard humanity from Magic and i want to act like it.
For Mages? Its far more difficult to say, Ultimately we don't know if they even have formed a united group or splintered into roving bands or what have you. Personally? I'd like the Mindsets of the Mages for the most part to be determined by the former Fraternities, at least for the Enchanters, I'd want the perspective of Loyalists given as much credence as a Libertarian or Isolationist, which by the way should be using this entire exercise as an excuse to go flee into the Wilds of Fereldan.
Apart from that? I'd want them to be what they are, People with the burden of Magic, Blood Mages, Abominations and all other things should be present. I want the Mages to truly grasp what this struggle for freedom will entail and i want to see how their perspective is altered by this conflict, ultimately i want that for both factions but especially the mages.
I want to see if they are content with whatever outcome arrives, and the cost it came at.
Sure thing.
@wchol Ah, gotcha. That is true.
Okay, so here's a question: Do you think that the Masked Empire, as well as Inquisition, could give the narrative some balance? Currently, we're overall really divided as a player base.
Also, second question: What do you guys want to see represented? Personally, I'd like to get to know a Templar as a companion (and it doesn't have to be the one talked about either) and try to understand them. I'd like to talk to a pro-Circle mage about their feelings about the post-Asunder events. For me, it would help humanize the factions if I have a chance to get to know them better.
Fixed that for you
Hahaham that honestly was a mistake.
I've wanted this since the end of DA2. We've gotten the Mage story from every possible angle via party members, but never had an actual Templar who believed in the Order and represented its true face. The closest we've gotten was Wesley, who was probably a nice guy (Aveline loved him, and she was the bee's knees), but his first response in the middle of a Darkspawn horde was "Derp! Apostate!", so he might not have been fully in control of his faculties, given he'd just been crippled for life. Either that, or Aveline likes 'em pretty but dumb. Other than that, your next closest is Alistair, who was an almost Templar and resented the Chantry, partially because he felt like Eamon dumped him there like last week's garbage, and partially because he was, at the time, completely incapable of anything that required authority or responsibility.
I'd like to see a Templar who shows monsters like Alrik as the exceptions they truly are, rather than the rule BSN paints them as being.
*prayer circle for Cullen*
While I am a fanboy, I do seem he him as a moderate who could be a voice of reason.
I've said this before but I think the way I'd want to see Templars humanized would be to be to encounter some of them who believed in the order and what it stands for. But also don't take a mostly one dimensional attitude towards mages and apostates.
Cullen seems like he could probably fit that description in DAI, but for most of DA 2 he seemed like too much of a yes man for Meredith, even when it was clear he disagreed with her.
That wasn't my point. My point was more that it was a sensible option that was left out for various reasons, that I hope will be present in DAI.
My point was Meredith was so far go she was looking for any reason to annul the circle. A serial killing mage who knew the First Enchanter would have done it and if someone would have told Meredith what Anders was planing she would annul the circle.
My point was Meredith was so far go she was looking for any reason to annul the circle. A serial killing mage who knew the First Enchanter would have done it and if someone would have told Meredith what Anders was planing she would annul the circle.
Yes, but I wasn't really making a comment on the plot of DA2. It was a comment on the rail system of what you could and could not say. Typically the logical response for me was never present.
I've said this before but I think the way I'd want to see Templars humanized would be to be to encounter some of them who believed in the order and what it stands for. But also don't take a mostly one dimensional attitude towards mages and apostates.
Cullen seems like he could probably fit that description in DAI, but for most of DA 2 he seemed like too much of a yes man for Meredith, even when it was clear he disagreed with her.
Red Templars. I think they are going to make it harder to humanize the Templars just like magisters and blood mages make it hard for some to humanize mages.
Yes, but I wasn't really making a comment on the plot of DA2. It was a comment on the rail system of what you could and could not say. Typically the logical response for me was never present.
Yeah, I felt the same way. That seems to be our shared issue with DA2.
@thetinyevil Actually, I think the Red Templars will make it easier to discern a "good" Templar from a "bad" one. This would give the writers a chance to say, "See, most of the cruel Templars went Red! Now here's a more traditional Templar for the players to get to know."
Yes, but I wasn't really making a comment on the plot of DA2. It was a comment on the rail system of what you could and could not say. Typically the logical response for me was never present.
Yeah, I felt the same way. That seems to be our shared issue with DA2.
@thetinyevil Actually, I think the Red Templars will make it easier to discern a "good" Templar from a "bad" one. This would give the writers a chance to say, "See, most of the cruel Templars went Red! Now here's a more traditional Templar for the players to get to know."
Red Templars. I think they are going to make it harder to humanize the Templars just like magisters and blood mages make it hard for some to humanize mages.
LoL red templars are completely different faction than normal templars and adding that it isn't natural danger that every templars have like mages...
Yeah, I felt the same way. That seems to be our shared issue with DA2.
This reminds me of a conversation from DA 2
Emeric: It cannot be a coincidence!
Hawke: It cannot be a coincidence? It sounds exactly like a coincidence!
Yes, but I wasn't really making a comment on the plot of DA2. It was a comment on the rail system of what you could and could not say. Typically the logical response for me was never present.
That was a little frustrating.
Make that three.
I can seriously remember wanting to scream at the game because a response that was so obvious to me was not an option.
Yeah, I felt the same way. That seems to be our shared issue with DA2.
@thetinyevil Actually, I think the Red Templars will make it easier to discern a "good" Templar from a "bad" one. This would give the writers a chance to say, "See, most of the cruel Templars went Red! Now here's a more traditional Templar for the players to get to know."
If that is true than it would be easier to discern blood mages from mages. Right?
If that is true than it would be easier to discern blood mages from mages. Right?
They tend to randomly drop dead, get possessed or slit their wrists...So typically?
Yes?
If that is true than it would be easier to discern blood mages from mages. Right?
LoL red templars are completely different faction than normal templars and adding that it isn't natural danger that every templars have like mages...
Oh sure, because a bunch of Templars (possibly) hopped up on the same stuff as Meredith isn't a danger at all. 
"Natural" or not, those Red Templars are a problem as much as any blood mage. Don't kid yourself.
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