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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Red Templars. I think they are going to make it harder to humanize the Templars just like magisters and blood mages make it hard for some to humanize mages.

 

That's the thing though, bad examples of both sides already exist, and they don't make it hard for my to sympathize with the premise of mages or templars as a whole. I think the most sinister characters in DA 2 were mostly mages, but in the end I sided against Meredith in the Last Straw because I thought she was wrong in that particular situation.

 

If Templar characters can be aware of things like the dangers of corruption withing their own ranks, or the collateral damaged this war has on innocents or have concerns other than just "APOSTATES MUST BE STOPPED! NO MATTER THE COST," then they can make a case for their side just fine, despite whatever the red templars do.

 

EDIT: woops forgot to add a "don't"

[Grieving Natashina]

If that is true than it would be easier to discern blood mages from mages. Right?

Er, it helps that gameplay footage has shown the Red Templars wearing red and running around with a sword very similar to the one Meredith used at the end of DA2.

 

From what I've read, it's a BioWare trope:  Red=bad

 

As far as blood mages go, we shall see.  Since most of their eyes tend to glow red as they are getting ready to cast (as per the DA2 trailer as well as Asunder,) the DA team might find a way to incorporate that into the game.

 

I've seen good mages, good apostates that generally didn't hurt anyone in my parties throughout the games.  I have yet to see a fully-fledged Templar that can give us his/her perspective on the whole matter.  It's really easy to say that "All Templars are bad/corrupt/hate mages," when we haven't gotten a chance to actually get to know one.

 

Edit:  Happy Spring Equinox everyone!  It actually looks and feels like spring here.  I hope everyone take a minute to go step outside if it's nice and enjoy the day.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh sure, because a bunch of Templars (possibly) hopped up on the same stuff as Meredith isn't a danger at all.  

 

"Natural" or not, those Red Templars are a problem as much as any blood mage.  Don't kid yourself.  

Red templars are dangeorus normal templars wel in matter like red templars they aren't mages are natural danger no matter morality or mindset every of them can become abomnation when you have to chose to become red templar. And as i said red templars have even own symbol that is completely different than normal templars have.

[KainD]

It's really easy to say that "All Templars are bad/corrupt/hate mages," when we haven't gotten a chance to actually get to know one.

 

See, replace in your sentence the word ''Templar'' with say.. ''slaver'', ''rapist'', and you pretty much get the perspective of some people and why they don't need a perspective of one. Not implying that templars are such, just the mindset. Basically how would you like to meet a nice moral slaver? Maybe that might change your mind about the whole group? 

[Master Warder Z_]

See, replace in your sentence the word ''Templar'' with say.. ''slaver'', ''rapist'', and you pretty much get the perspective of some people and why they don't need a perspective of one. Not implying that templars are such, just the mindset. Basically how would you like to meet a nice moral slaver? Maybe that might change your mind about the whole group? 

 

Or a Slave turned Slaver?

 

Happened enough in history.

 

Course that would violate a whole lot of modern notions of the practice wouldn't it? 

[Grieving Natashina]

See, replace in your sentence the word ''Templar'' with say.. ''slaver'', ''rapist'', and you pretty much get the perspective of some people and why they don't need a perspective of one. Not implying that templars are such, just the mindset. Basically how would you like to meet a nice moral slaver? Maybe that might change your mind about the whole group? 

Blanket statements.  Ick.  Sorry, but I don't see all Templars as "slavers" or "rapists."  To call them all such is simply not true. 

 

 We haven't seen many Templars that are against the abuse that some of their Order practice on the mages, that is true.  I know they exist (we see them in DA2,) and it's time we see them again.

 

I've hit the point where I refuse to use Kirkwall as an example of the typical mage or Templar.

[thetinyevil]

They tend to randomly drop dead, get possessed or slit their wrists...So typically?

 

Yes?

No. Most people don't discern mages from blood mage. 

[Master Warder Z_]

No. Most people don't discern mages from blood mage. 

 

Templars do

[KainD]

Blanket statements.  Ick.  Sorry, but I don't see all Templars as "slavers" or "rapists."  To call them all such is simply not true. 

 

 We haven't seen many Templars that are against the abuse that some of their Order practice on the mages.  I know they exist (we see them in DA2,) but isn't it time to let this bias go and learn more?

 

I knooow, it's not true for you. What I'm saying is SOME people DO see templars as bad as slavers or rapists. And when you tell them ''give templars a chance they might not all be bad'', what they hear is ''give slavers a chance they might not all be bad''. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I think by "some people" you were including yourself.  

 

Which is fine, though I disagree with the extremes you have taken your views.

 

I wasn't asking to "give all Templars a chance."  I'm asking for the player to have the chance to get to know one as a party member.  Considering that there is artwork of a Templar in the suspected companions, this would give us all that very chance.  If someone is that anti-Templar, the devs have stated that we will be able to dismiss companions.  You can always reject the perspective if you don't want it.  

 

I will never understand why some think more choices in a RPG is a bad thing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Templars do

Yeah to the point when they treat apostate automatically as blood mage because they don't want live by their standarts.

 

just love how we have only 2 templars who where doing that and pro-mages are "oh templars are sadist and rapist" but when we have 1351351 insane blood mages "no you can't judge mages because some are blood mages and abomnations"

[Hellion Rex]

Templars do

Except they can't...

[thetinyevil]

Templars do

No they don't. They see a mage and they kill them. Innocent or guilty. To templars all mages are blood mages if they are or not.

[KainD]

I think by "some people" you were including yourself.  

 

Which is fine, though I disagree with the extremes you have taken your views.

 

I wasn't asking to "give all Templars a chance."  I'm asking for the player to have the chance to get to know one as a party member.  Considering that there is artwork of a Templar in the suspected companions, this would give us all that very chance.  If someone is that anti-Templar, the devs have stated that we will be able to dismiss companions.  You can always reject the perspective if you don't want it.  

 

I will never understand why some think more choices in a RPG is a bad thing.

 

I did think like that for a time, then I just thought that it wasn't that bad, just like I think Tevinter isn't that bad now. 

I'm not saying less choices are bad, bring out the templar companions, I would love a red one.  

I was merely replying to your sentence. 

[TK514]

No they don't. They see a mage and they kill them. Innocent or guilty. To templars all mages are blood mages if they are or not.

I can prove you wrong with one word:

Bethany.

[The Elder King]

No they don't. They see a mage and they kill them. Innocent or guilty. To templars all mages are blood mages if they are or not.

Anders escaped seven times and wasn't killed. Bethany wasn't killed by Cullen. Some of the Starkhaven mages weren't killed when caught (though Meredith's method of randomly picking some to be executed/tranquilized is horrible).

[Grieving Natashina]

I can prove you wrong with one word:

Bethany.

 

 

Anders escaped seven times and wasn't killed. Bethany wasn't killed by Cullen. Some of the Starkhaven mages weren't killed when caught (though Meredith's method of randomly picking some to be executed/tranquilized is horrible).

 

 

Yep.  And this is why I hate blanket statements so much.  It ignores little details, like that.

 

Fellow moderates:  I'll be in the Safety Circle if anyone needs me.  I think I'm just going to lurk and watch for awhile.

[Master Warder Z_]

No they don't. They see a mage and they kill them. Innocent or guilty. To templars all mages are blood mages if they are or not.

 

No Apostates are not by definition Blood Mages, Apostates are mages outside of the Circle.

 

Templars kill blood mages, Apostates are taken to the circle, different circumstances for different scenarios.

 

 

Except they can't...

 

I meant in so far as treatment, Mages within the Circle aren't treated as blood mages for the most part and Blood Mages aren't treated as members of the circle.

[The Elder King]

I did think like that for a time, then I just thought that it wasn't that bad, just like I think Tevinter isn't that bad now. 
I'm not saying less choices are bad, bring out the templar companions, I would love a red one.  
I was merely replying to your sentence.

I'd prefer to have a templar that's not going mad.

[KainD]

I can prove you wrong with one word:

Bethany.

 

Bethany what? She was to be killed during annulment. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Fellow moderates:  I'll be in the Safety Circle 

 

 

Yes!

 

Go to the Circle!

 

It is safe there!

 

 

[KainD]

I'd prefer to have a templar that's not going mad.

 

They are not mad, they are honest + strong. I like strong and honest companions. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I know Felicia Day's web series is a little potentially dubious to draw lore from, but the templars in "Redemption" were shown to go as far as to imprison both a Dalish Keeper and a Qunari Saarebas without killing them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Yes!

 

Go to the Circle!

 

It is safe there!

 

 

Not that kind of Circle dear.  

 

Four words: I live in Colorado.  

 

And I'm leaving it at that.

[The Elder King]

Bethany what? She was to be killed during annulment.

Thetinyevil wasn't saying that templars kill all mages during Annulment, but the templars kill them everytime they found one. Which Bethany's case in Act 1proves wrong