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[TK514]

Burned to the ground, didn't it?

[MisterJB]

Natashina: I was not thinking in those terms when I wrote that. I merely meant that the Templars spared all of the mages from Starkhaven that surrendered.

[Divine Justinia V]

Burned to the ground, didn't it?

 

Didn't that wind up killing majority of it's mages/templars as well?

[Grieving Natashina]

Natashina: I was not thinking in those terms when I wrote that. I merely meant that the Templars spared all of the mages from Starkhaven that surrendered.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.  

[renfrees]

If you side with Meredith's Annulment, some mages surrender. If Hawke speaks in their favor, the Templars spare them.
Then there were the seven times Anders escaped and was brought back.
The Templars sparing Alain despite him being a blood mage.
The Templars sparing the whole Circle of Starkhaven despite them being Apostates.
The Templars sparing Emille despite him being an Apostate.
The Templars sparing Idunna despite her being a blood mage and Apostate.
The Templars sparing Ella despite her having escaped the Circle.
The Templars sparing Connor despite him being an Apostate and former-Abomination.
The Templars sparing Bethany despite her being an Apostate her whole life.
Gregoir revoking the Right of Annulment despite the Circle being overrun and the possibility of everyone being possessed.

 

The Templars do not kill mages on sight, period.

You forgot Feynriel, who wasn't Tranquilized, despite being plagued by demons. So, like every mage we meet and turn into the Circle is spared and alive until the end of the game (unless we kill them ourselves).

Modifié par renfrees, 20 mars 2014 - 11:16 .

[TK514]

Didn't that wind up killing majority of it's mages/templars as well?

I would imagine so. I don't recall what details we were given. I want to say it was assumed to be arson and that most/all the phylacteries were destroyed in the fire.

Was Quentin from Starkhaven?

[thetinyevil]

If you side with Meredith's Annulment, some mages surrender. If Hawke speaks in their favor, the Templars spare them.
Then there were the seven times Anders escaped and was brought back.
The Templars sparing Alain despite him being a blood mage.
The Templars sparing the whole Circle of Starkhaven despite them being Apostates.
The Templars sparing Emille despite him being an Apostate.
The Templars sparing Idunna despite her being a blood mage and Apostate.
The Templars sparing Ella despite her having escaped the Circle.
The Templars sparing Connor despite him being an Apostate and former-Abomination.
The Templars sparing Bethany despite her being an Apostate her whole life.
Gregoir revoking the Right of Annulment despite the Circle being overrun and the possibility of everyone being possessed.

 

The Templars do not kill mages on sight, period.

The three that surreneder are probably made Tranquil which is death anyways only you body stays useful.

Three of the are killed as an example and all of them would have been killed if not for Hawke.

They probably thought that Alain had information about the mage-templar rebellion thing and tortured him for that information. Meaning he was useful and wasn't spared out of mercy.

Emille's father had to beg for his son's life or he would have been killed.

Again Idunna had information that was useful to the templats. So only reason she would be allowed to live.

We don't know what happened to Ella if you send her back to the Circle because you don't hear from her again if you do.

Conner was the son of a powerful Arl who had close ties with the throne. Killing him would be stupid.

Bethany turned herself in and her sibling saved Cullen's life so he owed it to Hawke not to kill Hawke's sister.

Gregoir revoking the right after the Circle was cleared of demons by the Warden.

[Divine Justinia V]

I would imagine so. I don't recall what details we were given. I want to say it was assumed to be arson and that most/all the phylacteries were destroyed in the fire.

Was Quentin from Starkhaven?

 

I think it was implied that he had escaped by a letter from the Starkhaven First Enchanter.

[thetinyevil]

And you know that Anders didn't fight back...how? And how do you know if Aenerin fight back?
Nope, without Hawke Decimus would've slaughtered most of them. But yes, there are templars who are ruthless and extremist and that would kill mages outside of the Circle. That doesn't prove at all that all the templars act like that.

It was stated that Anders never fought back when the templars caught him. 

[Hellion Rex]

I would imagine so. I don't recall what details we were given. I want to say it was assumed to be arson and that most/all the phylacteries were destroyed in the fire.

Was Quentin from Starkhaven?

Quentin was an Apostate that only had contact with Orsino, no one else.

[Master Warder Z_]

It was stated that Anders never fought back when the templars caught him. 

 

Where?

[Divine Justinia V]

Quentin was an Apostate that only had contact with Orsino, no one else.

 

The Starkhaven First Enchanter thought he was one of his escaped Mages and sent him a letter.

[renfrees]

The three that surreneder are probably made Tranquil which is death anyways only you body stays useful.

Three of the are killed as an example and all of them would have been killed if not for Hawke.

They probably thought that Alain had information about the mage-templar rebellion thing and tortured him for that information. Meaning he was useful and wasn't spared out of mercy.

Emille's father had to beg for his son's life or he would have been killed.

Again Idunna had information that was useful to the templats. So only reason she would be allowed to live.

We don't know what happened to Ella if you send her back to the Circle because you don't hear from her again if you do.

Conner was the son of a powerful Arl who had close ties with the throne. Killing him would be stupid.

Bethany turned herself in and her sibling saved Cullen's life so he owed it to Hawke not to kill Hawke's sister.

Gregoir revoking the right after the Circle was cleared of demons by the Warden.

Probably is not evidence.

Who tells, that 3 were killed - Grace? Right. Would've been, could've been. Like Wilmod would've been killed by Cullen?

Probably? Tortured? Your assumptions again?

Would've been or Meredith just used this string on his father to have his loyalty?

Idunna had information, that she didn't give away for 3 years, and was allowed to send letters about blood magic? Okay.

Ella sends a letter to Hawke later on, if you send her back to the Circle.

Again assumptions.

[The Elder King]

It was stated that Anders never fought back when the templars caught him.

I didn't recall that. Noted.
About Ella, we do know about her if she's back in the Circle. She sends a letter in Act3.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think it was implied that he had escaped by a letter from the Starkhaven First Enchanter.

Yep.  From the wiki:

 

A reply letter from the First Enchanter of the Starkhaven Circle of Magi to Gascard DuPuis might suggest that Quentin might have been one of its escaped mages that fled either after it was burned down.

 

[Hellion Rex]

The Starkhaven First Enchanter thought he was one of his escaped Mages and sent him a letter.

The letter was to Gascard duPuis from First Enchanter Raddick:

Messere DuPuis,

This is in regards to your inquiry into missing mages. I would like to remind you that the duty of seeking out missing mages, if there were any to begin with, would fall to the templars of Starkhaven, not a minor nobleman from Kirkwall.

I would also like to take this opportunity to remind you that the Circle of the Magi, as a whole, does not welcome casual inquiries about the mages in its care.

Thank you,
First Enchanter Raddick

 

From the Codex entry: A Reply from Starkhaven

[Hellion Rex]

Yep.  From the wiki:

Hang on. Where did you get that from?

"A reply letter from the First Enchanter of the Starkhaven Circle of Magi to Gascard DuPuis might suggest that Quentin might have been one of its escaped mages that fled either after it was burned down."

[MisterJB]

thetinyevil: Do I need to quote you? What you said was "They see a mage and they kill them".

Evidently, they do not, given all of those examples where mages were not killed despite having been proven guilty. You can try to come up with excuses but the matter of fact is they were NOT killed.

 

Oh, BTW, there were two things that I couldn't help but adress. Sparing a mage because his father pleaded for it is a sign of mercy. And Ella sends Hawke a letter after being sent to the Circle.

Also, "The Templars tortured Alain for information" is fanfiction.

[MisterJB]

Hang on. Where did you get that from?

"A reply letter from the First Enchanter of the Starkhaven Circle of Magi to Gascard DuPuis might suggest that Quentin might have been one of its escaped mages that fled either after it was burned down."

Grace: "All we want is our freedom. And that is worth releasing serial killers into the streets for which we will take no responsability whatsoever and actually aid in covering their crimes."

[thetinyevil]

Probably is not evidence.

Who tells, that 3 were killed - Grace? Right. Would've been, could've been. Like Wilmod would've been killed by Cullen?

Probably? Tortured? Your assumptions again?

Would've been or Meredith just used this string on his father to have his loyalty?

Idunna had information, that she didn't give away for 3 years, and was allowed to send letters about blood magic? Okay.

Ella sends a letter to Hawke later on, if you send her back to the Circle.

Again assumptions.

Thrask tells you that three Starkhaven mages were chosen at random and killed.

The world of Thedas people don't shy a way from torture be mage or criminal or just for fun as the case with a few characters like Howe.

Meredith wanted to kill every mage in the Circle she would have had no problem killing Emile.

For all we know she had been made tranquil and decided the most logic thing to do was to have Hawke go after the tomes.

Just because the letter was from Ella didn't mean it was form Ella.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh, BTW, there were two things that I couldn't help but adress. Sparing a mage because his father pleaded for it is a sign of mercy. And Ella sends Hawke a letter after being sent to the Circle.

Also, "The Templars tortured Alain for information" is fanfiction.

Who is the first you are referring to?

[Grieving Natashina]

Hang on. Where did you get that from?

"A reply letter from the First Enchanter of the Starkhaven Circle of Magi to Gascard DuPuis might suggest that Quentin might have been one of its escaped mages that fled either after it was burned down."

The wiki, like I said.

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Quentin

 

Here's the last paragraph in full:

 

 

During the search, it is revealed that Quentin had a writing correspondence with someone with the initial "O", which is later revealed to be First Enchanter Orsino. Also, a reply letter from the First Enchanter of the Starkhaven Circle of Magi to Gascard DuPuis might suggest that Quentin might have been one of its escaped mages that fled either after it was burned down.

 

[thetinyevil]

I didn't recall that. Noted.
About Ella, we do know about her if she's back in the Circle. She sends a letter in Act3.

Yeah it was a letter someplace I think or maybe his first bio before Awakening was released but it said that they new he wasn't a blood mage because he hated blood magic as the templars and he didn't fight back when they caught him. I think Irving also stepped in a lot and vouched for him.

[Hellion Rex]

Grace: "All we want is our freedom. And that is worth releasing serial killers into the streets for which we will take no responsability whatsoever and actually aid in covering their crimes."

Ok, I'm lost. What does Quentin's possible relationship with Starkhaven have to do with anything? Does it have any real bearing? I think this argument just went right over my head.

[LobselVith8]

thetinyevil: Do I need to quote you? What you said was "They see a mage and they kill them".
Evidently, they do not, given all of those examples where mages were not killed despite having been proven guilty. You can try to come up with excuses but the matter of fact is they were NOT killed.

The Magnificent D'Sims was a charlatan who pretended to be a healer, and the templars cut off his head, so it doesn't seem implausible.

Oh, BTW, there were two things that I couldn't help but adress. Sparing a mage because his father pleaded for it is a sign of mercy. And Ella sends Hawke a letter after being sent to the Circle.
Also, "The Templars tortured Alain for information" is fanfiction.

He might be addressing the rapes that Alain endured, since he wasn't tortured to obtain information.