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[Hellion Rex]

The wiki, like I said.

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Quentin

 

Here's the last paragraph in full:

Ah, mea culpa.

[MisterJB]

Who is the first you are referring to?

Emille's father.

 

Of course, the fact that he is a noble didn't hurt his arguments none.

[Hellion Rex]

He might be addressing the rapes that Alain endured.

Acts that were committed by Karras, a batshit crazy Templar.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ah, mea culpa.

No worries hun.  And you can blame the derail on me misunderstanding JB's post a page or so back.  So sorry. 

[MisterJB]

The Magnificent D'Sims was a charlatan who pretended to be a healer, and the templars cut off his head, so it doesn't seem implausible.

Maybe they cut off his head exactly because he was a charlatan who was scamming people out of their money.

 

 

He might be addressing the rapes that Alain endured, since he wasn't tortured to obtain information.

No, he was assuming that the Templars tortured Alain after he is returned to the Circle when Thrask's little rebellion colapses. The violations happened before that.

[Master Warder Z_]

Acts that were committed by Karras, a batshit crazy Templar.

 

Acts that may or may not have actually happened i'd point out, Karass and Allain aren't exactly chatty about their love life after all.

 

A few playful suggestions that may or may not indicate as much if you PRESS them, but if you look too hard at DA 2 you realize both sides are completely out of their minds in the storyline anyway.

 

Also him being "violated" depends on him still having his head by this point anyway.

[renfrees]

Thrask tells you that three Starkhaven mages were chosen at random and killed.

The world of Thedas people don't shy a way from torture be mage or criminal or just for fun as the case with a few characters like Howe.

Meredith wanted to kill every mage in the Circle she would have had no problem killing Emile.

For all we know she had been made tranquil and decided the most logic thing to do was to have Hawke go after the tomes.

Just because the letter was from Ella didn't mean it was form Ella.

What we've pointed out are facts. What you pointed out is mostly just your assumptions.

[MisterJB]

Ok, I'm lost. What does Quentin's possible relationship with Starkhaven have to do with anything? Does it have any real bearing? I think this argument just went right over my head.

I was just expressing my disdain for the argument mages like Grace use. She makes it seem that her freedom will have no negative consequences for the general population which is evidently untrue when her freedom lead to a serial killer killing several middle aged women and sewing their bodies together.

And then a mage from another Circle actually helps Quentin cover up his crimes.

[thetinyevil]

thetinyevil: Do I need to quote you? What you said was "They see a mage and they kill them".

Evidently, they do not, given all of those examples where mages were not killed despite having been proven guilty. You can try to come up with excuses but the matter of fact is they were NOT killed.

 

Oh, BTW, there were two things that I couldn't help but adress. Sparing a mage because his father pleaded for it is a sign of mercy. And Ella sends Hawke a letter after being sent to the Circle.

Also, "The Templars tortured Alain for information" is fanfiction.

Tranquil. They are just prepossessed. Sparing a mage because his father begged isn't a sign of mercy it is political maneuvering. Its useful to have a noble that owes you. 

 

As for the templars torturing Alain, well Karras raping him is torture, and given the kind of World Thedus is torture is a commonly used tool for information gather. So if they wanted information on the Mage-Templar rebellion in the gallows they most likely tortured Alain the other mages and their templar cohorts. I didn't mean it was only Alain who was tortured. Should have been more specific.

 

As for Ella. Unless she sends you a letter after you let her go, I won't believe the templars of Kirkwall actually let her live. 

[renfrees]

As for Ella. Unless she sends you a letter after you let her go, I won't believe the templars of Kirkwall actually let her live. 

Ella sends you a letter in both scenarios.

 

http://dragonage.wik...tter:_From_Ella

Modifié par renfrees, 20 mars 2014 - 11:42 .

[MisterJB]

As for Ella. Unless she sends you a letter after you let her go, I won't believe the templars of Kirkwall actually let her live. 

I just told you that she does.

[The Elder King]

As for Ella. Unless she sends you a letter after you let her go, I won't believe the templars of Kirkwall actually let her live.

I don't understand. We do receive a letter from her, but you already said you don't believe she wrote it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I was just expressing my disdain for the argument mages like Grace use. She makes it seem that her freedom will have no negative consequences for the general population which is evidently untrue when her freedom lead to a serial killer killing several middle aged women and sewing their bodies together.

And then a mage from another Circle actually helps Quentin cover up his crimes.

 

I'm not a fan of Grace, but wasn't she only using that particular argument in a reference to Hawke letting her go from the cave? It didn't have anything to do with Quinten's escape at the time.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't understand. We do receive a letter from her, but you already said you don't believe she wrote it.

 

I am thinking this mage is suffering from lyrium poisoning.

[Hellion Rex]

I was just expressing my disdain for the argument mages like Grace use. She makes it seem that her freedom will have no negative consequences for the general population which is evidently untrue when her freedom lead to a serial killer killing several middle aged women and sewing their bodies together.

And then a mage from another Circle actually helps Quentin cover up his crimes.

Oh, gotcha. So many conversations are going on here that I got a tad lost.

[renfrees]

I'm not a fan of Grace, but wasn't she only using that particular argument in a reference to Hawke letting her go from the cave? It didn't have anything to do with Quinten's escape at the time.

Alain thinks, that it was Decimus, who set the fire in Starkhaven's Circle to escape, thus eventually setting Quentin free as well.

[LobselVith8]

Acts that were committed by Karras, a batshit crazy Templar.

Unfortunately, Alain implies those monstrous acts still happened to him (post Kerras' demise) when explaining why he joined up with Ser Thrask, an interesting character whose life was cut short because of an asinine plot. I would've preferred to work him; he was also a friend of Varric (via the short story).

[The Elder King]

Unfortunately, Alain implies those monstrous acts still happened to him (post Kerras' demise) when explaining why he joined up with Ser Thrask, an interesting character whose life was cut short because of an asinine plot. I would've preferred to work him; he was also a friend of Varric (via the short story).

Short story ? Never heard there was one about Varric.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Alain thinks, that it was Decimus, who set the fire in Starkhaven's Circle to escape, thus eventually setting Quentin free as well.

 

I know, but by the time Grace says the "We only want our freedom" line, that is all over and done with. Her escaping the cave or not doesn't affect Quinten.

[MisterJB]

Thrask's greatest accomplishment in life was proving the Templars right.

Tries to start a revolution because he believes mages deserve more freedom. Killed by a mage.

Honestly, even dogs know better than to bite the hand that feeds them.

Plus, couldn't tell his cohort was an Abomination.

[thetinyevil]

I don't understand. We do receive a letter from her, but you already said you don't believe she wrote it.

Not really no. It is hard for Mages to get letters out, we are already told by templars in the Court Yard that they are cracking down more and more on the mages. I find it hard to believe she would be able to get a letter out. But I'm just going to drop this. It is my opinion.

[Master Warder Z_]

Short story ? Never heard there was one about Varric.

 

By Max Kirby, Its on the DA Wiki

 

Here http://lvlt.bioware....ries/varric.pdf

 

Thrask and Varric acting like chums.

[MisterJB]

Thrask, good man, terrible Templar.

Maybe this is why the Order is not interested in recruiting paragons of morality.

[LobselVith8]

Thrask, good man, terrible Templar.
Maybe this is why the Order is not interested in recruiting paragons of morality.

Thrask was a good man in a terrible story, killed by a character who is completely nonsensical if the Champion helped the Starkhaven mages escape.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I don't think condemning one of the non-crocked cops in the city makes for a good precedent for hiring.

 

By all accounts meredith's regime by act 3 was conducting itself in a highly illegal and unprofessional manner. If this were in any sort of story with quality, the seekers should have been involved by this point as soon as it came to light meredith was baring the political process of electing a new viscount, and removed her from her position.

 

In fact Elthina's denial of meredith's request to use the right of annulment should have sparked immediate investigation, which in any sort of functional system of checks and balances would have discovered the use of tranquility against harrowed mages, a highly illegal act by the chantry's own law recognized in every circle of thedas, except meredith's. They would have also, no doubt in their search, discovered the high level of blood mages, and taken due course to rectify the solution. IE, deposing both meredith and orsino from their positions, possibly enacting a right of annulment, and most likely ejecting and then trailing most of the templars there for complacency and conspiracy to violate chantry law.

 

Of course the seekers having been controlled by a less then fair former knight commander probably caused the stonewalling of action that let things get so far out of hand in the first place.