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[Master Warder Z_]

The Warden?

 

Arcane Warrior Spec Warden?

[Hellion Rex]

Arcane Warrior Spec Warden?

Arcane Warrior Blood Mage Warden?

[TK514]

I know, right? There are other people named Cullen too.

He is so incredibly awesome.

[LobselVith8]

To her it did. Hawke's help didn't prevent her from being sent to the Circle and s/he did kill her lover. I can see someone might be enraged over that.
Grace is not the type of person who would thank Hawke just for trying to help them; she is the type that would berate him/her for failing. Why can't she be an ungrateful, vengeful ******?

She's a one-dimensional caricature, so I don't expect her to make any sense. Not any more than Decimus did when he accused Hawke and his moiety crew of being templars (which is absurd, especially given how Merrill can be in his company).

[MisterJB]

God that quote just made me roll my eyes and shiver at the same time; Quentin was perhaps the most demented, deluded and insane non abomination blood mage i have ever had the displeasure to encounter in DA.

He did give me and my uncle the opportunity to bond over how much we dislike mages.

 

"Lock the mages up, throw away the key.

 

Mages have always been trouble, they will always be trouble."

[Master Warder Z_]

Arcane Warrior Blood Mage Warden?

 

Champion/Beserker/Spirit Warrior Warden?

[Hellion Rex]

He did give me and my uncle the opportunity to bond over how much we dislike mages.

 

"Lock the mages up, throw away the key.

 

Mages have always been trouble, they will always be trouble."

[Hellion Rex]

Champion/Beserker/Spirit Warrior Warden?

Bah. Warriors are boring.

[Master Warder Z_]

She's a one-dimensional caricature, so I don't expect her to make any sense. Not any more than Decimus did when he accused Hawke and his moiety crew of being templars (which is absurd, especially given how Merrill can be in his company).

 

He did sort of scream about not caring about the shield they carry before attacking them, just saying.

 

He just didn't care if they served the Templars or not, the Dude was insane.

[MisterJB]

Bah. Warriors are boring.

Cullen is a Warrior.

[Master Warder Z_]

Bah. Warriors are boring.

 

You're basically invincible in that build you do realize? You have Stun, Damage Reduction from physical and magic, And as long as you have Stamina you're DPS output is insane.

 

._. I'm just saying i solo'ed the Harvest on "Hard" with a warrior using that very spec.

[Grieving Natashina]

Bah. Warriors are boring.

I liked them in DA2.   It was actually fun.  

 

@Z:  I did that with both my Templar warrior as well as my Elemental/Force mage.

[Cainhurst Crow]

He did give me and my uncle the opportunity to bond over how much we dislike mages.

 

"Lock the mages up, throw away the key.

 

Mages have always been trouble, they will always be trouble."

 

So KommandoShepard is your waifu?

[MisterJB]

So KommandoShepard is your waifu?

Hey, I'm not calling for their mass execution.

[Grieving Natashina]

So KommandoShepard is your waifu?

Hardly.  TKS is more about "kill all the mages everywhere and let the Maker sort them out" versus anything reasonable that Z, MisterJB and others have come up with.

 

Edit: ninja'd by JB  

[Dean_the_Young]

Thrask, good man, terrible Templar.

Maybe this is why the Order is not interested in recruiting paragons of morality.

 

Cynic as I am, I actually believe people like Thrask are needed: while institutional resolve is vital, empathy is important as well. Besides its own virtue, a person you can go to for kindness and concern and even protection from radicalism is very important for emotional health, well-being, and investment in the institution.

 

This isn't to say that Thrask is the ideal Templar and everyone should be like him. Thrask is effectively the well-intentioned moderate who can be swayed by a sob story and doesn't have the suspension of trust or uniform enforcement needed to be an effective guardian. Had Thrask won his coup he'd very likely be run around by mage radicals, either blood mage/apostate supporters like Orisino taking advantage of his trust or anti-Circle radicals.

 

People like Thrask, while not great leaders of organizations that must not be ruled by empathy, none the less provide a vital role in keeping conscience and the human element needed to make a system palatable as hard but fair rather than heartless and ruthless. Thrask hiding his own daughter out of familiar sympathy was bad, but Thrask fighting Templars who needlessly threaten mages is very good. Thrask's idealism, while exploited, is a necessary compoenent for an enforcement agency to check and correct itself- and it also provided a far more acceptable means and avenue for mages to seek change and compromise rather than resort to street abominations and revolution.

 

I wouldn't want him as the overall Templar leader, except in preference to a worse alternative, but Thrask would make an excellent Templar equivalent to the American Army's Attorney General position: an internal investigative/enforcement agent that makes sure the institution runs itself as it should, and punishes when corruption is found. ('Seeker' is a bit more relevant, but the Attorney General represents a more limited, systematic internal actor.)

 

 

Idealists have a role, utilitarian and systemic, for meeting overall institutional goals. They are a very important point of maintaining a healthy culture and ethos of an organization, a very important thing, while making the organization itself more palatable for all involved. You want a Templar mages will feel comfortable going to for protection and comfort- not every Templar should be that, but having no Templars who do that will lead to an overly antagonistic relationship.

[Cat Lance]

I didn't deny this point, In so far as Most mages are born outside of it. but given how you were portraying you'r argument you can see the need for me to point out that Hedge witches and Apostates for the most part were never even inducted into the Circle, they have no experience with the concept.

I assume you do not want to be jailed? One does not need to experience something negative to know they do not want it. Apostates are well aware of the Circle, they need to hide what they are to remain free, after all.

Yeah the Libertarians that followed Uldred supported his way of thinking, Shocking isn't it? If you ever read the Codex's "promises of Pride" However you will note the correspondence between those followers and the rest of the senior mages of that circle and its evident that his minority, was in fact a minority.

I certainly didn't find the idea of someone wanting to be free of oppression shocking. Nor the fact that some didn't go along. Of which, no one says it's because they enjoy the status quo.
 

Lacking? The Mages in question tend to be lacking only what their greed or vanity demands, There isn't a intention for extrapolation of a greater context. When those "groups" consist of more then a few extremists that also wouldn't overly mind a removal of oversight upon mages entirely we may actually have a conclusive motivation to examine.

The extremists are those like Anders and Uldred, willing to use any means and justify it, the fact that the other mages are not violent doesn't change that in talking to them they are not happy and want change.

The mages are "kept" the fact that Wynne is allowed to accompany the Warden does not change the fact that others are not allowed to even see their families. Nor the fact that this was something she had to gain permission to do. She could not simply decide for herself to head off and go with your Warden.

[The Elder King]

Bah. Warriors are boring.

I challenge you, saarebas.

[renfrees]

Hardly.  TKS is more about "kill all the mages everywhere and let the Maker sort them out" versus anything reasonable that Z, MisterJB and others have come up with.

 

Edit: ninja'd by JB  

I thought TKS was more about - Kill 'em all and let the God sort 'em out.   

[The Elder King]

Champion/Beserker/Spirit Warrior Warden?

Templar/Berseker/Spirit Warrior Warden FTW.

[Hellion Rex]

Cullen is a Warrior.

Playing a warrior is boring. Never said anything about romancing them, JB.

[Hellion Rex]

I challenge you, saarebas.

Might just make your head go BOOM!

[renfrees]

Playing a warrior is boring. Never said anything about romancing them, JB.

I beg to differ, you just didn't spec them right   

[The Elder King]

Playing a warrior is boring. Never said anything about romancing them, JB.

Have you ever tried a Berseker Reaver in DA2?

[The Elder King]

Might just make your head go BOOM!

I'm protected by my trust friend Justice (not the Anders one though). As I said, I'm a Spirit Warrior (and a very powerful templar, so I can resist even your blood magic ).