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[Shadow Fox]

To be fair, BioWare hasn't really done yandere yet in any of its games. Would be a little refreshing to have to deal with something new.

Anders

 

Potentially Leiliana too given her eyelashes comment.

[Grieving Natashina]

Anders

 

Potentially Leiliana too given her eyelashes comment.

Er, Anders didn't seem that way to me.  Hawke wasn't his "crazy all consuming" interest, or even his #1 priority if romanced.  He does state that from the start.  I'll grant you that Leliana was a little closer, but still doesn't seem to quite fit the type. 

[Ryzaki]

Anders

 

Potentially Leiliana too given her eyelashes comment.

 

Not even close.

 

If Anders was yandere he wouldn't have placed his mages freedom above Hawke.

 

And Leliana isn't psycho jealous enough for it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I wish it were that simple, Lotion I really do. But it isn't.

"Consider" with the strong implication that it was going to happen judging from Sebastian and the GC of Kirkwall. One of the Divine's trusted representatives was more than likely telling her to do so after her return from Kirkwall. And what's this? A RoA request from Meredith. What is the most logical course of action when weighing the two options, Lotion?

 

Strong implications my ass.

It's only "strong" because you want it to be.

 

We don't know what Leliana would report. We don't know what Elthina would have said to the Divine. Assume all you want, but don't tell me you know, because you DON'T. Period.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I addressed Grand Cleric Elthina. I don't see members of a politico-military organization as mere civilians.

 

Then I don't see mages as civilians.

 

 

 

All systems can abused however the question is how much hesitation will someone who wants to abuse the system would have? In other words does the punishment for abuse create enough fear to make that person think twice? We have yet to see a Templar getting punished for such abuses by someone other than the protagonist who can choose to do that and there was no sign of stress at all among those templars, it seemed like it was a routine thing and no fear of punishment.

 

If there was no fear of punishment, why was Ser Alarik (or whatever the name was) trying to hide his illegal tranquilizations?

[Lulupab]

If there was no fear of punishment, why was Ser Alarik (or whatever the name was) trying to hide his illegal tranquilizations?

That was fear and stress? Lel.

 

He showed his "plans" to both the divine and Meredith. Instead of branding him incapable of being a Templar and doubting his judgement they gave him  free reign. Someone planning such a thing is going to execute it regardless of authority. And he is quite happy and without any signs of stress or fear. There will be punishments if they found out but I doubt its anything severe. The Divine and Cullen practically ignore you if you talk with them about it. I was clearly talking about severity of punishment not lack thereof.

 

Instant hanging and public humiliation for example would be quite fitting for any Templars that lays a hand on any mage unjustly. No questions asked, no strings attached. Just like how they punish a mage for being a blood mage.

[Grieving Natashina]

Just a heads up: the next companion information to be released along with Solas is Iron Bull.  I'll be back later all, must watch companion threads!

 

[Dean_the_Young]

That was fear and stress? Lel.

 

He showed his "plans" to both the divine and Meredith. Instead of branding him incapable of being a Templar and doubting his judgement they gave him  free reign. Someone planning such a thing is going to execute it regardless of authority. And he is quite happy and without any signs of stress or fear. There will be punishments if they found out but I doubt its anything severe. The Divine and Cullen practically ignore you if you talk with them about it. I was clearly talking about severity of punishment not lack thereof.

 

Have you ever even worked in a government bureaucracy, per chance? Because what you're claiming is pretty divorced from reality: proposals are made and rejected all the time, and the rejection of one is not in and of itself grounds to brand someone an incompetent, nor is not punishing someone for raising an undesired proposal a sign of giving them free reign.

 

The Divine and Cullen hardly ignore you- they do what pretty much every institution does when information is brought up by an outsider: the try to address it internally.
 

 

 

Instant hanging and public humiliation for example would be quite fitting for any Templars that lays a hand on any mage unjustly. No questions asked, no strings attached. Just like how they punish a mage for being a blood mage.

 

 

Who determines if the Templar layed a hand on a mage unjustly? What if that part of the network is attacked or exploited? Counter-corruption regimes rely on an implicit assumption that they themselves can not be corrupted, which with the case of Alrik we know he was actively blackmailing people who were aware of his misdeeds.

 

If your system actually runs on no questions being asked and no strings attached, it's little more than a hear-say system. Those have the well-earned historical reputation and moniker of kangaroo courts: the accusation itself is considered the proof.

[The Elder King]

Why must he crush our theories and speculations....

  
He's a despair demon. He feeds on our suffering .

Did Gaider say something after stating Solas wasn't Dorian?

Yup, in the twitter thread he said that Solas was never meant to be Dorian.

[Helios969]

Eirene:  You changed your name!  I was going to tell you not to after the explanation you posted yesterday.  I thought it was cool.  I only shortened it cause I was being lazy (and the "quote" button is not working for me.)

 

So are you going to translate your signature for me?  Or are you going to make me work for it?

[Helios969]

Nevermind. Found the "translated" lyrics.

 

A loneliness that's darker than night

Was bewildering me

I want to become aware of someone now...

Because I want to escape from here

[Lulupab]

Have you ever even worked in a government bureaucracy, per chance? Because what you're claiming is pretty divorced from reality: proposals are made and rejected all the time, and the rejection of one is not in and of itself grounds to brand someone an incompetent, nor is not punishing someone for raising an undesired proposal a sign of giving them free reign.

 

The Divine and Cullen hardly ignore you- they do what pretty much every institution does when information is brought up by an outsider: the try to address it internally.
 

 

Who determines if the Templar layed a hand on a mage unjustly? What if that part of the network is attacked or exploited? Counter-corruption regimes rely on an implicit assumption that they themselves can not be corrupted, which with the case of Alrik we know he was actively blackmailing people who were aware of his misdeeds.

 

If your system actually runs on no questions being asked and no strings attached, it's little more than a hear-say system. Those have the well-earned historical reputation and moniker of kangaroo courts: the accusation itself is considered the proof.

 

I'm sorry if this comes a bit blunt but this implies you no nothing of laws. Its strictly forbidden to make a mage passed their harrowing a tranquil. With that law in place you cannot make a proposal named "tranquil solution". The real life example would be someone proposing forcing all gay people to go through Therapy to "convert back to being straight" while the government have laws that grants rights for them, even marriage. Anyone proposing such a thing will be mocked, most likely demoted/kicked out and branded incapable of being a politician and that person will be forever known as a homophobe. That's just how it works, a proposal needs to absolutely follow the laws. This is even more laughable as Alrik is knight lieutenant, he only has authority over common Templars. In an event that such proposal is suggested by such a person an investigation must happen which it didn't which shows how the old system failed quite miserably. I am a Lawyer btw so I am quite familiar with how it works out. 

 

Also it works both ways in matter of punishing the corrupt. Those exposing the corrupted are rewarded so they are encouraged to do so. In such a case there will be proof most of the time. I never claimed anyone should be punished without proof. Also consider how proof worked in feudal age. Witnesses were accepted proof as there was no surveillance or technology.

[KainD]

Anders

 

Potentially Leiliana too given her eyelashes comment.

 

No that's not even close to yandere. First, a yandere wouldn't put a mage rebellion or Andraste ashes or the blight above LI, second they would potentially murder any other person a PC flirts with out of jealousy. third they would not accept any brake-up. 

 

That said, bring on a yandere companion, I wouldn't mind a real romance for once. 

[Grieving Natashina]

No that's not even close to yandere. First, a yandere wouldn't put a mage rebellion or Andraste ashes or the blight above LI, second they would potentially murder any other person a PC flirts with out of jealousy. third they would not accept any brake-up. 

 

That said, bring on a yandere companion, I wouldn't mind a real romance for once. 

....That last sentence almost sounds like a contradiction in terms.  

 

If I may, I suggest if we're going to talk more about a possible yandere in Inquisition, we should probably start a new thread.

[KainD]

....That last sentence almost sounds like a contradiction in terms.  

 

If I may, I suggest if we're going to talk more about a possible yandere in Inquisition, we should probably start a new thread.

 

Not at all, this was one of the most romantic things I have ever seen: 

 

Also we had a Yandere thread a while back.

[The Elder King]

You can actually propose a tranquil solution by asking to change the laws about the Harrowed mages, or stating that it'll be down to every apprentices, so that over time there'll be no more Harrowed mages.
Granted, I would never support it, and I doubt that Chantry would ever considering it, but it's possible through the change of the laws about mages.

[Mistic]

You can actually propose a tranquil solution by asking to change the laws about the Harrowed mages, or stating that it'll be down to every apprentices, so that over time there'll be no more Harrowed mages.
Granted, I would never support it, and I doubt that Chantry would ever considering it, but it's possible through the change of the laws about mages.

 

That's true and it would be a good way for Alrik to circumvent obstacles to propose his solution. However, Lulupab raises a valid point that he never faced any other negative consequence than rejection of its proposal. Wonder what would have happened if he proposed that every mage should be made an abomination.

 

But yes, internal affairs haven't worked very well in Thedas so far. I think the main reason is because the Chantry feels safe by controlling the lyrium trade, and with it the Templars' addiction. However, as Asunder proves, it's not deterrent enough to stop a rebellion.

[Lulupab]

You can actually propose a tranquil solution by asking to change the laws about the Harrowed mages, or stating that it'll be down to every apprentices, so that over time there'll be no more Harrowed mages.
Granted, I would never support it, and I doubt that Chantry would ever considering it, but it's possible through the change of the laws about mages.

 

Then you should start from the root of the law as you mentioned. Proposing a tranquil solution is just stupid and shows complete incapability while there is a law forbidding it. Its also coming from a lieutenant. Its a joke. There must have been consequences for even bringing it up

 

We both know the chantry would never even consider lifting the rule.

[KainD]

Proposing a tranquil solution is just stupid and shows complete incapability while there is a law forbidding it. 

 

Why?

[Lulupab]

Why?

Did you read my previous post? It was continued response so you should read that one too.

[KainD]

Did you read my previous post? It was continued response so you should read that one too.

 

Laws change all the time, it's not silly to propose a new one.

[Lulupab]

Laws change all the time, it's not silly to propose a new one.

 

It doesn't work like that. There is a law forbidding, strictly, what you just proposed. And without putting the said law in question you propose something that not only doesn't even counter it, it forces it. I made it clear in my example that you cannot simply propose such a thing without consequence especially when you are a mere lieutenant. Also some laws are quite established and are very unlikely to change like immunity of Harrowed mages to tranquility. Proposing a counter is quite taboo as well. 

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm sorry if this comes a bit blunt but this implies you no nothing of laws. Its strictly forbidden to make a mage passed their harrowing a tranquil. With that law in place you cannot make a proposal named "tranquil solution".

 

No, with the law in place you can not carry out a Tranquil Solution. Making a change in the laws so that the law would not forbid it is perfectly legal- which is why Alrik proposed a policy change.

 

Laws are not immutable things. Even fewer criminalize proposals to change them.

 

 

The real life example would be someone proposing forcing all gay people to go through Therapy to "convert back to being straight" while the government have laws that grants rights for them, even marriage. Anyone proposing such a thing will be mocked, most likely demoted/kicked out and branded incapable of being a politician and that person will be forever known as a homophobe. That's just how it works, a proposal needs to absolutely follow the laws. This is even more laughable as Alrik is knight lieutenant, he only has authority over common Templars. In an event that such proposal is suggested by such a person an investigation must happen which it didn't which shows how the old system failed quite miserably. I am a Lawyer btw so I am quite familiar with how it works out. 

 

 

 

No, the better example would be when someone in the government advocates a change of laws and the criminalization of homosexuality. Which has happened, sad as it is. Laws can be changed for better and for worse.

 

But, sad as it is, the ability to suggest changes to established law is a very necessary and appropriate ability for a healthy society. Criminalizing even the attempt to propose a change is the mark of a static, inflexible society and system. Such systems break because they actively oppose efforts to adjust.
 

 

Also it works both ways in matter of punishing the corrupt. Those exposing the corrupted are rewarded so they are encouraged to do so. In such a case there will be proof most of the time. I never claimed anyone should be punished without proof. Also consider how proof worked in feudal age. Witnesses were accepted proof as there was no surveillance or technology.

 

Rewarding the exposure of corruption also rewards corrupting the arbitrators in your favor. There's a reason why many anti-corruption drives are often little more than partisan attacks by one corrupt entity on another.

 

Yes, a system based on immediate severe punishment with no questions asked or strings attached is very much a system which punishes without proof. You might not have meant it, but that is the effect of what you proposed.

[KainD]

It doesn't work like that. There is a law forbidding, strictly, what you just proposed. And without putting the said law in question you propose something that not only doesn't even counter it, it forces it. I made it clear in my example that you cannot simply propose such a thing without consequence especially when you are a mere lieutenant. Also some laws are quite established and are very unlikely to change like immunity of Harrowed mages to tranquility. Proposing a counter is quite taboo as well. 

 

All you need to propose a new law is support from the masses, and then it doesn't matter how taboo the law is, or if it destroys one of the pre-set laws. Of course one person can't just single-handily make a new law. He would basically have to ''preach'' some and  try to get support first. 

[Dean_the_Young]

It doesn't work like that. There is a law forbidding, strictly, what you just proposed. And without putting the said law in question you propose something that not only doesn't even counter it, it forces it. I made it clear in my example that you cannot simply propose such a thing without consequence especially when you are a mere lieutenant. Also some laws are quite established and are very unlikely to change like immunity of Harrowed mages to tranquility. Proposing a counter is quite taboo as well. 

 

Proposing a change to a law might be taboo (in many places it's not), but it's not criminal unless the law claims it is criminal. Nor is it always doomed to failure and retribution: I'm fairly sure your country has reversed quite a number of established laws over the last five hundred years.

 

Seriously, societies change their norms. Regularly. The whole history of western liberalism and progressivism champions this fact as an accomplishment of political enlightenment and progress.