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[Lulupab]

When I see a tranquil especially a mage who was harrowed I kinda think "every one of them will feel justice's burn" was the right idea. I will get a lot of exp and loot too. its win-win.

[The Elder King]

Well then it's time to go after the mages. Tranquility should be reserved for only the most heinous of individuals, and those who volunteer. Not used as a weapon to bludgeon mages into submission and trot them about as implicit threats.
 

 

I never stated how the mages would've used Tranquility. I assumed you were against every use of it. My apologies.

[Lulupab]

I never stated how the mages would've used Tranquility. I assumed you were against every use of it. My apologies.

 

Well its only good when replaced as killing the mage who really deserved it.

[The Elder King]

Well its only good when replaced as killing the mage who really deserved it.

If a mage wants to became tranquil, I don't see why we should prevent it.

[Lulupab]

If a mage wants to became tranquil, I don't see why we should prevent it.

 

I can never understand that mage but sure. If its really a volunteer why not?

[The Elder King]

I can never understand that mage but sure. If its really a volunteer why not?

Because he might fear demons, and be under their threats for all their lives.

[EmissaryofLies]

I can never understand that mage but sure. If its really a volunteer why not?

 

 

Some think it's the best thing for them, ignorant of its true severity.

[AresKeith]

Some think it's the best thing for them, ignorant of its true severity.

 

How it that ignorant when some doesn't want to deal with all of that

[Lulupab]

How it that ignorant when some doesn't want to deal with all of that

 

Well he needs to deal with it. I think being born as a starving black kid in Africa is harder than being born a mage. I know I shouldn't compare the two but my point with it is the fact that life is unfair and hard. You can give up or you can get up. The mages have tranquility button while we don't. That doesn't mean they should press it.

[EmissaryofLies]

How it that ignorant when some doesn't want to deal with all of that

 

Some are definitely ignorant of its true severity. That doesn't encompass all or even most. Just some.

 

The one's who've been brought back beg for death rather than go back to being a 'templar puppet'.

 

Feynreil and others like him understand. People scared to undergo the harrowing and opt out instead?  I strongly suspect that quite a few of them have no idea what they're really getting themselves into.

[The Elder King]

Well he needs to deal with it. I think being born as a starving black kid in Africa is harder than being born a mage. I know I shouldn't compare the two but my point with it is the fact that life is unfair and hard. You can give up or you can get up. The mages have tranquility button while we don't. That doesn't mean they should press it.

The two situations aren't comparable with each other, and not only for the IRL issue, but because the hardship of a mage about demon possession is completely different from the hardship of a starving child in a poor country. Don't compare such things if you can't find a reason in DA why a mage shouldn't be able to choose to be a tranquil.

[The Elder King]

Some are definitely ignorant of its true severity. That doesn't encompass all or even most. Just some.

The one's who've been brought back beg for death rather than go back to being a 'templar puppet'.

Feynreil and others like him understand. People scared to undergo the harrowing and opt out instead? I strongly suspect that quite a few of them have no idea what they're really getting themselves into.

I think that with Pharamond's experience mages can teach the young ones want Tranquility means, so that they can choose with all the available informations what to do.

[AresKeith]

Some are definitely ignorant of its true severity. That doesn't encompass all or even most. Just some.

 

The one's who've been brought back beg for death rather than go back to being a 'templar puppet'.

 

Feynreil and others like him understand. People scared to undergo the harrowing and opt out instead?  I strongly suspect that quite a few of them have no idea what they're really getting themselves into.

 

The only one's we know of is Karl (who was made tranquil over abuse of authority) and Pharamond (don't know why he was made tranquil)

[Lulupab]

The only one's we know of is Karl (who was made tranquil over abuse of authority) and Pharamond (don't know why he was made tranquil)

 

However it seems the Tranquil never think on their life before tranquility. Why we don't know. They just don't think about it. Karl didn't even remember the events form when he was cured temporarily.

[EmissaryofLies]

The only one's we know of is Karl (who was made tranquil over abuse of authority) and Pharamond (don't know why he was made tranquil)

 

Would love to see more brought back to get a clearer picture of how horrible or not so horrible it truly is.

[Inprea]

Because he might fear demons, and be under their threats for all their lives.

Well what about the fact that a mage really has no idea what they're getting themselves into? You can tell them they won't have any emotions but what does that really mean and is there something more going on deeper inside of their minds?

 

I'm reminded of Xenosaga a bit. One of your party members if an android with certain safe guards. She seems well stoic but happy enough. Eventually though you end up inside of her mind and find out that those safe guards are like being nailed to a board. It's painful. So despite her outward appearance she's suffering.

 

I believe first it needs to be established exactly what kind of condition a mage is in once made tranquil not just on the outside but inside their head as well. Fortunately with a cure it seems that can be determined. Take ten volunteers, make them tranquil for a month or so, reverse it, let them settle back into having emotions then determine how mentally well they were. So they can make an informed decision as to what they want.

[The Elder King]

Well what about the fact that a mage really has no idea what they're getting themselves into? You can tell them they won't have any emotions but what does that really mean and is there something more going on deeper inside of their minds?
 
I'm reminded of Xenosaga a bit. One of your party members if an android with certain safe guards. She seems well stoic but happy enough. Eventually though you end up inside of her mind and find out that those safe guards are like being nailed to a board. It's painful. So despite her outward appearance she's suffering.
 
I believe first it needs to be established exactly what kind of condition a mage is in once made tranquil not just on the outside but inside their head as well. Fortunately with a cure it seems that can be determined. Take ten volunteers, make them tranquil for a month or so, reverse it, let them settle back into having emotions then determine how mentally well they were. So they can make an informed decision as to what they want.

I responded later that with Pharamond's experience (or the cure) mages might have a better view of what a Tranquil means. I was just stating reasons why a mage would choose this.

[KainD]

So now you're comparing a human to a plant. Got it. I'm just gonna walk away from this one.

 

But humans have feelings.. Dunno, atleast for me that is an important part. 

[Divine Justinia V]

But humans have feelings.. Dunno, atleast for me that is an important part. 

 

So as long as I have no feelings it doesn't matter that I'm being violently beaten. Gotcha.

[EmissaryofLies]

So as long as I have no feelings it doesn't matter that I'm being violently beaten. Gotcha.

 

You are a weapon. You're not like me and Kain, you cannot be treated like a person!

[Nightdragon8]

I responded later that with Pharamond's experience (or the cure) mages might have a better view of what a Tranquil means. I was just stating reasons why a mage would choose this.

the choice of going tranquil, is that they hate the fact that they are mages and want to be rid of the "curse" or fear of magic, or of demons.

[Divine Justinia V]

You are a weapon. You're not like me and Kain, you cannot be treated like a person!

 

Yes Master.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well he needs to deal with it. I think being born as a starving black kid in Africa is harder than being born a mage. I know I shouldn't compare the two but my point with it is the fact that life is unfair and hard. You can give up or you can get up. The mages have tranquility button while we don't. That doesn't mean they should press it.

So when that girl was constantly being plagued by demons to the point she couldn't even sleep and was in constant fear, she should have just sucked it up even when there was an option to save her from her tormentors?

[Hellion Rex]

So when that girl was constantly being plagued by demons to the point she couldn't even sleep and was in constant fear, she should have just sucked it up even when there was an option to save her from her tormentors?

Poor kid. 11 years old. So brave.

[MisterJB]

The Right to Tranquility. Oh, I would love if we explored that.