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I have never sent him back to the Gallows, so I'm not sure how that might work.  I figured that the Dalish smuggled him using the old slaver caves and such around Sundermount to get him away from Kirkwall.  

Yeah, I sent him to the Dalish as well, but I was just talkin bout how it might have worked had he been sent to the Circle instead. Meredith probably wouldn't have let him leave, and to be honest I understand why she wouldn't let him leave either.



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lol the whites and blacks haha

 

lmao shut up omg

 

 

I had always assumed that he had to leave secretly from the Gallows. I don't think that Meredith would have allowed a Dreamer to be transferred to Tevinter.

WAY too much of a risk.

 

That's what I think, especially factoring Meredith.

 

 

Except the Whites have cooperated with Tevinter on occassion. Asunder spoiler, but

Spoiler

But the Whites and Blacks could indeed work together on occasion. I just wish we had more background on this situation.

 

I see but wasn't he not supposed to be there or something like that? I feel like there was more to this case with Rhys and the SE.

Also, I'm sure it's frowned upon/rarely used. There is much disdain for the Black Chantry from the White, I really don't see them working together as much as implied.


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I have never sent him back to the Gallows, so I'm not sure how that might work.  I figured that the Dalish smuggled him using the old slaver caves and such around Sundermount to get him away from Kirkwall.  

 

I really wish Bioware provided context on how he goes there for both options


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Or maybe he wasn't allowed to. Maybe he was sneaking there. We don't know that.

 

but if that's the case, than I fail to see why they wouldn't do something like that with a child.

I believe Thrask has a line about Feynriel leaving for Tevinter. 



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I really wish Bioware provided context on how he goes there for both options

SO MUCH THIS.



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I believe Thrask has a line about Feynriel leaving for Tevinter. 

 

Thrask is also a friendly Templar that was part of the Mage rebellion.


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I believe Thrask has a line about Feynriel leaving for Tevinter. 

 

I can see Thrask pulling a Merevar Carver and helping a mage escape, especially if he felt it would help him.


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I really wish Bioware provided context on how he goes there for both options

Me too.  There is a lot of things I wish the DA Team would put into better context for us. 

 

@Hana: Oh, that's right!  Thrask probably was the one that got Feynriel out of the city. I think he was one of the key Templars in the Mage Underground Railroad.  Now that makes complete sense!

 

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Doesn't matter. He knew, thus at least some Templars knew. He literally says something along the lines of "That boy Feynriel got transferred." 

 

Now did Thrask pull some strings with his position, quite possibly. But still, Feynriel didn't just vanish. 


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There are endless possibilities to how Feynriel may have gotten transferred. Maybe it was strictly Mage rebellion Templars that helped them, maybe not.

 

But it changes nothing about the 11 year old girl.


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Perhaps our boy Feynreil was a fluke.



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There are endless possibilities to how Feynriel may have gotten transferred. Maybe it was strictly Mage rebellion Templars that helped them, maybe not.

 

But it changes nothing about the 11 year old girl.

As much as I don't want to admit it, we simply don't have enough information to judge if someone tried to talk her out of it or not.  We're both very cynical towards the Chantry, but that doesn't make us right in our assumptions.



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There are endless possibilities to how Feynriel may have gotten transferred. Maybe it was strictly Mage rebellion Templars that helped them, maybe not.

 

But it changes nothing about the 11 year old girl.

You said they would not allow transfers, when Feynriel who you were using as a comparison was allowed exactly that. 



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You said they would not allow transfers, when Feynriel who you were using as a comparison was allowed exactly that. 

 

We don't know how he got there though, or how his transfer was made. So no one can say he was allowed. But that's not even what I'm trying to get at here.

 

As much as I don't want to admit it, we simply don't have enough information to judge if someone tried to talk her out of it or not.  We're both very cynical towards the Chantry, but that doesn't make us right in our assumptions.

 

You're absolutely right, but I'm sure that even if they tried to convince her to go to Tevinter, they didn't try too hard. Which act was this?


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We don't know how he got there though, or how his transfer was made. So no one can say he was allowed.

 

 

You're absolutely right, but I'm sure that even if they tried to convince her to go to Tevinter, they didn't try too hard. Which act was this?

What act was where?  You mean when Fenyriel heads for Tevinter?  Middle of Act 2.



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What act was where?  You mean when Fenyriel heads for Tevinter?  Middle of Act 2.

 

No, I mean when did we see this codex lol.



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*snip*

To try this a second time, I got a phone call during the first time I swiped all this out on my phone and lost everything. *grumbles a lot about hand held devices and needing proper internet*

I wanted to make a more proper response to your post! I was so tired last night I just kind of said it was great, because i didn't want to not respond at all, but other than complementing your eloquence, I didn't say much that was useful.

I also didn't go into where our personal plans would diverge, at all. Though, there is not a whole lot I would change or add, you seem to be the same sort of pragmatist I am, that is, one that understands the human element!

First, I love the campus idea, but I think that in order to facilitate the inclusion of loved ones it would need to be expanded. Something more like a mage village or colony.

Further, as opposed to a walled community with bows pointed inward, I would settle them into a valley with a tight inlet. This accomplishes the goals of protecting the community as well as the world at large. It also negates the negativity of the man-made walls with templars patrolling them. Let the mountains confine and protect them, both.

I also envision the templars being reorganised. Drawing from those living there, including the mages. And further, that if mm outsider should wish to join the templars that they red to live as a regular citizen of the community or two years before they can truly apply.

That visitations both to and of family/friends who either could not or would not join the colony be allowed as groups including mundanes and templar teams be allowed.

That "Healing Circles" be established out in the world at large, protected by a templar team, but essentially only healer mages and on a revolving schedule measured in years.

Eventually, I think forays for specific reasons could be expanded, but I would start there.

I'd love to see an end to the use of Tranquility as well, but I don't expect that.

Where my views and yours truly diverge is on The need of a police state. I think that a system as I described above would be capable of actively policing itself without needing snitches and such.

I hope I remembered all my points... Sheash.
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I don't think we know where the tranquil girl event happened, right? Could it be that of happened before. Meredith?

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We don't know how he got there though, or how his transfer was made. So no one can say he was allowed. But that's not even what I'm trying to get at here.

No, you are trying to get at the entire Chantry, Templars, and even Pro-Circle mages as being mustache-twirling, black-hearted villains apparently. 


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I don't think we know where the tranquil girl event happened, right? Could it be that of happened before. Meredith?

 

 

It's a Codex Entry from the Amulet of Tranquility.

 

Orana was brought to the Circle of Magi in Kirkwall at the age of five. Her mentors had high hopes for the child, seeing her talent for magic. Unfortunately, the poor child was plagued by nightmares that only worsened after her move to the Gallows.

Orana became afraid of falling asleep. She would lie stiffly in bed, her eyes wide open. Without sleep, she grew thin and wan, and her studies began to suffer.

Orana began to experience waking dreams. Shadows flitted in corners, and she swore she heard voices calling her name. She knew demons could take advantage of her vulnerable state, and at the tender age of eleven, she requested to be made Tranquil. The first enchanter complied.

With her connection to the Fade severed, Orana was again able to sleep. Her health returned, and she was at peace with her decision. She continued her education at the Circle and excelled in enchanting and runecrafting.

Orana saw the Rite of Tranquility as a gift, although many mocked her for this view. Later in life, she created an amulet to remind her of the Rite. She named it Tranquility. The Tranquility Amulet soothes the mind and imparts a general sense of well-being to its wearer.

 

We don't when Orana's story occurred. And no, Hanako, it was definitely in the Gallows.



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We only know it was at a Circle. Maybe it even was the Tevinter Circle for all we know.

I didn't remember it specified where it was, but I though I remembered wrong, since it seems from the discussion that it happened in Kirkwall.
Edit: Nevermind, saw the codex.

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No, you are trying to get at the entire Chantry, Templars, and even Pro-Circle mages as being mustache-twirling, black-hearted villains apparently. 

I think you need to chill Hanako.


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I didn't remember it specified where it was, but I though I remembered wrong, since it seems from the discussion that it happened in Kirkwall. Thanks for the clarification :).

See my post above yours. It was definitely in the Gallows.



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No, you are trying to get at the entire Chantry, Templars, and even Pro-Circle mages as being mustache-twirling, black-hearted villains apparently. 

 

No, I'm actually not but thank you for putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about one specific case and more than likely maybe two or three adults, and I wasn't even considering a Templar involved, but why bother explaining when you seem to know the underlying reason and truth of all my words. Lmao try again.

 

And when I am talking about the Chantry as a whole, I'm saying I don't see them willing to work with the Black Chantry considering we've had proof that they're not the best of friends.


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See my post above yours. It was definitely in the Gallows.


Yeah, I saw it now.