I thought she didn't have it any more, at least not until the Qunari fighting had already started. Ultimately, she did return the book once she got it back.wcholcombe wrote...
...If a certain self serving thieving pirate had simply returned the book, the Arishok would have left long ago.
Congratulations, you figured out which side is in the right! Have an admittedly delayed cookie.While thinking over both sides of the mage-templar conflict (Which will likely play a heavy role in Inquisition and any related chaos), it just appears that all evidence that I've seen should support favoring mages over the templars.
Not even slightly. That's just idiocy and arbitrary practices to make a single class irritate the people who play it lorewise.I am sorry but their needs to be an in game price that fits with the lore for using blood magic. Even if it simply means that you eventually start sucking life from your comrades in battle automatically, they need to demonstrate that price and temptation.
She escaped, and stole the book. Your revenge came to nothing and wound up hurting the qunari more.wcholcombe wrote...
She either had it or knew where it was. I believe she was in possession of it the whole time but had been unable to get it to the person she was supposed to deliver it to.
I will trash her the same as I trash Merrill. They are both self serving dolts. And I enjoyed sending her home with the Arishok after she returned the book.
They did a little more than that.Darth Brotarian wrote...
The catholic church didnt pillage that region of the world, spain did. Spain wanted more territory, as did protugal, and england, and france, and pretty much every European nation that has risen to prominence. The church got involved in drafting rules for how countries could claim land, because spain and protugal almost declared war when they both wanted the americas. Spain got the east and Protugal got the west, which was kinda a **** deal for Portugal because all they got was japan and a few other asian countires, and we know how that turned out.
Basically all the church did was negotiate a treaty to stop two European powers from killing eachother while being unaware or unconcerned with the other countries in question, which is something that isn't anything to do with religion and everything to do with human nature.
I like you.Xilizhra wrote...
She escaped, and stole the book. Your revenge came to nothing and wound up hurting the qunari more.
Alas, I have no similar answer for abuse of Merrill, as of yet. My hope is that she becomes vital to something in DAI, like Tali was in ME3, and what you've done winds up ruining a portion of your plot.
durasteel wrote...
I had no problem with helping Merrill and still saving her tribe. I feel like removing Marethari was ultimately to their benefit anyway. I thought Marrill was a savant, Marethari was the idiot.wcholcombe wrote...
3) Merril was an idiot-yes personal opinion, but if I could have killed her and saved her tribe I would have in a heartbeat.
No issues arise. It's a quick and easy lie to avoid a confrontation, and it doesn't affect Merrill at all because her friendship is locked in.TK514 wrote...
durasteel wrote...
I had no problem with helping Merrill and still saving her tribe. I feel like removing Marethari was ultimately to their benefit anyway. I thought Marrill was a savant, Marethari was the idiot.wcholcombe wrote...
3) Merril was an idiot-yes personal opinion, but if I could have killed her and saved her tribe I would have in a heartbeat.
I can't help but find this amusing. You support Merrill, think what she was doing was right and how she went about it was ok. You call her 'responsible', and 'a savant', while calling Marethari an idiot.
And then tell us you threw Merrill under the bus when it confronted by her clan, because the only way to prevent them from attacking Hawke and Co is to blame Merrill for what happened.
Classic.
Or a character that is not afraid to go the extremes for knowledge.wcholcombe wrote...
But it is really bad rping. Unless you are playing an anything goes power hungry character, than I guess it is good rping.
<_<<_<Xilizhra wrote...
Congratulations, you figured out which side is in the right! Have an admittedly delayed cookie.While thinking over both sides of the mage-templar conflict (Which will likely play a heavy role in Inquisition and any related chaos), it just appears that all evidence that I've seen should support favoring mages over the templars.
Reread the codices. All it said is that the Rivaini branch broke the Llomerryn Accords by teaming up with the nationalists, who wouldn't be Andrastians but traditionalists based on the lore, and made no mention of the Seekers being involved. There's nothing in the lore that indicates that Val Royeaux assisted the Rivaini branch beyond not punishing them, but considering the Chantry's weak foothold in Rivain i doubt they could do so without conflict.durasteel wrote...
In all seriousness, I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Are you suggesting that the Chantry is not responsible for the atorocities of its army in Rivain? That the Templars and Seekers it trained, under the commanders appointed by the authority of the Divine, went so far "off the reservation" in prosecuting military actions against those the Chantry had identified as heretics that no fault should rest with the institution itself? Because if that's where you're trying to go with this, you ain't gonna get there.
On what? She talked about three different topics.Zazzerka wrote...
I agree with Xilzhra.
How is a willingness to lie bad RPing? I don't like killing people I don't have to.wcholcombe wrote...
But it is really bad rping. Unless you are playing an anything goes power hungry character, than I guess it is good rping.
Yes, but presumably without the knowledge of them trying to kill her if you didn't do so. It doesn't matter because it's locked in for me.@Xilizhra: the friendship might
be locked in. Though I don't remember if Merrill disapproved if you
blamed her with her clan.
Asunder gives me hope that it'll be properly slanted. The equivalent in moderation to the mage side is the Chantry, not the templars.About the 'right' side, I still disagree. Both sides were rapresented
badly in DA2, and Bioware stated that it was on purpose. And the talk
during the GI coverage and PAX demo makes me hopeful on the
rapresentation of the conflict (though I still think the war will not
end in DAI).
Patchy. Hopefully improving.By the way, welcome back. How have you been?
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hhh89 wrote...
On what? She talked about three different topics.
If you lie and past the blame to a friend and not think of the consequences of that, then yes that can be considered bad RPingXilizhra wrote...
How is a willingness to lie bad RPing? I don't like killing people I don't have to.wcholcombe wrote...
But it is really bad rping. Unless you are playing an anything goes power hungry character, than I guess it is good rping.
wcholcombe wrote...
There isn't a right or a wrong side.
I did. I figured the psychological consequences of that would not be as bad as having to kill more of her own clan.If you lie and past the blame to a friend and not think of the consequences of that, then yes that can be considered bad RPing
None of which requires templars.There isn't a right or a wrong side. Mages need to be educated and trained. The public needs to be protected from the dangers of Magic. Mages need to be protected from the dangers of the public and trained to avoid the dangers of themselves.
Most templars are dicks. The codex explicitly says that they give preference to dicks in recruitment.The fact that so far most Templars have been portrayed as dicks doesn't change that.
^ Thiswcholcombe wrote...
There isn't a right or a wrong side. Mages need to be educated and trained. The public needs to be protected from the dangers of Magic. Mages need to be protected from the dangers of the public and trained to avoid the dangers of themselves.
The fact that so far most Templars have been portrayed as dicks doesn't change that.
Nor does it make the Templars the correct side in the conflict either.
There's no point in doing so when my high horse is, in fact, a flying magical horse and is too awesome to lose. As the mage plot is.AresKeith wrote...
^ Thiswcholcombe wrote...
There isn't a right or a wrong side. Mages need to be educated and trained. The public needs to be protected from the dangers of Magic. Mages need to be protected from the dangers of the public and trained to avoid the dangers of themselves.
The fact that so far most Templars have been portrayed as dicks doesn't change that.
Nor does it make the Templars the correct side in the conflict either.
And I do hope one day die-hard Pro-Mages and Templars get off their high horse and realize this
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