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[Martyr1777]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'll agree with that. Fiona was an extremist but a very calculated one. She saw the events involving Rhys' supposed murder charge that was actually done by Adrian and Lambert's reactions to various situations, and thus create a plan that utilized these various points to reach her end goal of seperating the Circles from the Chantry. She didn't instigate them like Anders or Adrian, but rather played with the cards that were dealt.

This actually goes back directly to the OP I think.

While I don't like her Fiona does have some more subtle methods then Anders, at least in Asunder (again) she has a little more depth to her character.

In comparison you have Lambert... who started out on a similar path but then turned a corner more toward Anders and Meredith. Going from the careful conductor to the blatant bute force crazy. Certainly he was no where near as bad as Anders and Meredith. But the point is the mage characters are showing alot more depth, there isn't that same level of complexity from the Templar/Seeker side.

Although I think Cassandra will be one of those balancing factors in DAI. I mean we've never really had a companion that comes from that side of the table and she's one of the core companions as well, not one you meet half way through (assumtion but a safe one I think).

So just like Asunder was better for the presentation of this storyline, I think DAI will be as well.

Modifié par Martyr1777, 21 février 2014 - 01:59 .

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She's probably improved by leaving Marethari's influence for six years.

If she's still stubborn like Marethari while still having a messiah complex, i doubt it.

Maybe, but she won't outright sell herself to demons because her own student is rocking the boat too much, I'm reasonably sure.

Sell herself out? No way. But i can't say the same for the people around her, like in the case of Hawke and Feynriel?

[Xilizhra]

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She's probably improved by leaving Marethari's influence for six years.

If she's still stubborn like Marethari while still having a messiah complex, i doubt it.

Maybe, but she won't outright sell herself to demons because her own student is rocking the boat too much, I'm reasonably sure.

Sell herself out? No way. But i can't say the same for the people around her, like in the case of Hawke and Feynriel?

I'm fairly sure the thing with Feynriel is at least as broken as Wynne approving of you sleeping with Gheyna, as I'm almost certain it's triggered by the wrong action, taking into account the precedent of her character elsewhere (for example, while she wants you to talk to the hunger demon in the Deep Roads, there's no approval penalty at all for killing it later).

As for Hawke... no, never. Not without blatant mind control.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Martyr1777 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'll agree with that. Fiona was an extremist but a very calculated one. She saw the events involving Rhys' supposed murder charge that was actually done by Adrian and Lambert's reactions to various situations, and thus create a plan that utilized these various points to reach her end goal of seperating the Circles from the Chantry. She didn't instigate them like Anders or Adrian, but rather played with the cards that were dealt.

This actually goes back directly to the OP I think.

While I don't like her Fiona does have some more subtle methods then Anders, at least in Asunder (again) she has a little more depth to her character.

In comparison you have Lambert... who started out on a similar path but then turned a corner more toward Anders and Meredith. Going from the careful conductor to the blatant bute force crazy. Certainly he was no where near as bad as Anders and Meredith. But the point is the mage characters are showing alot more depth, there is that same level of complexity from the Templar/Seeker side.

Although I think Cassandra will be one of those balancing factors in DAI. I mean we've never really had a companion that comes from that side of the table and she's one of the core companions as well, not one you meet half way through (assumtion but a safe one I think).

So just like Asunder was better for the presentation of this storyline, I think DAI will be as well.

I agree for the most part, the parts I don't being personal preferences for example I really like Fiona. And yes I see Cassandra being the more "show the good side to the Seekers/Templars" companion character, just as Vivienne will be for the former Circles.

[The Hierophant]

Xil, desperation has always been a core theme of Merrill's character arc. With the Eluvian being inactive there's no telling what a friendshipped Merrill will do if another demon offered some help in the future.

[Xilizhra]

The Hierophant wrote...

Xil, desperation has always been a core theme of Merrill's character arc. With the Eluvian being inactive there's no telling what a friendshipped Merrill will do if another demon offered some help in the future.

At the end of her friendship arc, she gets over the whole Eluvian thing and decides to seek a different goal.

[AresKeith]

Veruin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
But what the Order stands for is completely terrible, so his treachery is honorable. He just failed to realize that Grace had gotten possessed; if not for that, the whole thing probably would have worked quite well.

It's not terrible because you think it's terrible Xil.  The sooner you stop spouting your opinions as if they're holy word, the better.

That'll be the day

[Martyr1777]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Martyr1777 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'll agree with that. Fiona was an extremist but a very calculated one. She saw the events involving Rhys' supposed murder charge that was actually done by Adrian and Lambert's reactions to various situations, and thus create a plan that utilized these various points to reach her end goal of seperating the Circles from the Chantry. She didn't instigate them like Anders or Adrian, but rather played with the cards that were dealt.

This actually goes back directly to the OP I think.

While I don't like her Fiona does have some more subtle methods then Anders, at least in Asunder (again) she has a little more depth to her character.

In comparison you have Lambert... who started out on a similar path but then turned a corner more toward Anders and Meredith. Going from the careful conductor to the blatant bute force crazy. Certainly he was no where near as bad as Anders and Meredith. But the point is the mage characters are showing alot more depth, there is that same level of complexity from the Templar/Seeker side.

Although I think Cassandra will be one of those balancing factors in DAI. I mean we've never really had a companion that comes from that side of the table and she's one of the core companions as well, not one you meet half way through (assumtion but a safe one I think).

So just like Asunder was better for the presentation of this storyline, I think DAI will be as well.

I agree for the most part, the parts I don't being personal preferences for example I really like Fiona. And yes I see Cassandra being the more "show the good side to the Seekers/Templars" companion character, just as Vivienne will be for the former Circles.

Yeah... While I'm not quite sure what to make of Vivienne yet I am very much looking forward to Cass. I liked her character in the DA2 narative and think she'll bring the same level of character as the likes of Varrick and Morrigan.

Plus the potential deeper look into the Seekers which will help this mage vs templar presentation, it was certainly a very good call to add her imo.

[Grieving Natashina]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Xil, desperation has always been a core theme of Merrill's character arc. With the Eluvian being inactive there's no telling what a friendshipped Merrill will do if another demon offered some help in the future.

At the end of her friendship arc, she gets over the whole Eluvian thing and decides to seek a different goal.

Yep.  I usually encourage her to go help the other elves in the Alienage myself.  Next session (which will be a bit,) I'm going to rival her to so she'll destroy the cursed thing.

[Xilizhra]

Starsyn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Xil, desperation has always been a core theme of Merrill's character arc. With the Eluvian being inactive there's no telling what a friendshipped Merrill will do if another demon offered some help in the future.

At the end of her friendship arc, she gets over the whole Eluvian thing and decides to seek a different goal.

Yep.  I usually encourage her to go help the other elves in the Alienage myself.  Next session (which will be a bit,) I'm going to rival her to so she'll destroy the cursed thing.

It isn't cursed. And it damages her psychologically as well if you rival her.

It's not terrible because you think it's terrible Xil.  The sooner you
stop spouting your opinions as if they're holy word, the better.

Mkay. Just as soon as everyone else stops saying things like "Merrill is an idiot" and "mages are irresponsible."

Modifié par Xilizhra, 21 février 2014 - 02:09 .

[Grieving Natashina]

I wasn't referring to a literal magical curse. I think Merrill did just fine and the mirror was cleansed. I think it brings bad luck, and despair wherever it goes. Good ol' fashioned superstition, not magic.

I also am going to rival her to check out her story path. Never have before, so it's an experiment. Isabela is next on my list too. To be honest, since this is probably a one-time deal, I really don't care if I scar Merrill or not by making her my rival. That isn't going into my Keep import, so I'm not going to stress it.

For the Keep, I'm going to leave it as friends with her and the mirror intact. I liked being friends with her, but more importantly to me, leaving the mirror intact might have some neat story impact down the road.



Edit: Xil, I noticed that you got pounced upon when you came into the thread.  I have no reason to do that, nor do I want to.  You seem like good people.  So please bare that in mind when you read my posts.  

Modifié par Starsyn, 21 février 2014 - 02:19 .

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote...
Mkay. Just as soon as everyone else stops saying things like "Merrill is an idiot" and "mages are irresponsible."

Merrill is an idiot and Mages are irresponsible.

My word against your word. 

Starsyn wrote...
You seem like good people. 

You should read some of the stuff we found on xil.

Modifié par General TSAR, 21 février 2014 - 02:22 .

[KaiserShep]

Is that like we as a collective or the royal we?

[Veruin]

Starsyn wrote...

Edit: Xil, I noticed that you got pounced upon when you came into the thread.  I have no reason to do that, nor do I want to.  You seem like good people.  So please bare that in mind when you read my posts.  

You must not have known Xil before its hiatus.  Do not think we are picking on it for the sake of picking on it.

Modifié par Veruin, 21 février 2014 - 02:27 .

[General TSAR]

A little from column A and a little from column B.
Anyway, I'm worried about the portrayal of the Templar Order in DA:I, I would hate for BioWare to depict the Rebel Templars as Zealots and Red Templars, while any Loyalist Templars are lovey-dovey with Mages assuming there are Loyalist Templars.

I want both factions to have their positives and negatives.

Modifié par General TSAR, 21 février 2014 - 02:30 .

[Xilizhra]

Starsyn wrote...

I wasn't referring to a literal magical curse. I think Merrill did just fine and the mirror was cleansed. I think it brings bad luck, and despair wherever it goes. Good ol' fashioned superstition, not magic.

I also am going to rival her to check out her story path. Never have before, so it's an experiment. Isabela is next on my list too. To be honest, since this is probably a one-time deal, I really don't care if I scar Merrill or not by making her my rival. That isn't going into my Keep import, so I'm not going to stress it.

For the Keep, I'm going to leave it as friends with her and the mirror intact. I liked being friends with her, but more importantly to me, leaving the mirror intact might have some neat story impact down the road.



Edit: Xil, I noticed that you got pounced upon when you came into the thread.  I have no reason to do that, nor do I want to.  You seem like good people.  So please bare that in mind when you read my posts.  

Fair enough. Thank you, and don't mind my fan club.

[Grieving Natashina]

Veruin wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Edit: Xil, I noticed that you got pounced upon when you came into the thread.  I have no reason to do that, nor do I want to.  You seem like good people.  So please bare that in mind when you read my posts.  

You must not have known Xil before its hiatus.  Do not think we are picking on it for the sake of picking on it.

I'm staying out of it.  

[The Hierophant]

We'll see, Xil. We'll see.

[Xilizhra]

The Hierophant wrote...

We'll see, Xil. We'll see.

Er, regarding what in particular?

[The Hierophant]

*sighs*

lol

[Grieving Natashina]

The Hierophant wrote...

*sighs*

lol

Okay, now I'm curious.  Please elaborate with more than just "lol." 

[The Hierophant]

Merrill you silly goose.

[Grieving Natashina]

The Hierophant wrote...

Merrill you silly goose.

As far as...what?  Much of what Xil (and others) wrote is right there in the story.  Please be more specific.

[Martyr1777]

General TSAR wrote...

A little from column A and a little from column B.
Anyway, I'm worried about the portrayal of the Templar Order in DA:I, I would hate for BioWare to depict the Rebel Templars as Zealots and Red Templars, while any Loyalist Templars are lovey-dovey with Mages assuming there are Loyalist Templars.

I want both factions to have their positives and negatives.

Oh I'm sure there will be plenty of pros and cons for both sides.

My worry is the Red Templars... the just seem like a generic shallow enemy to fight, re-skinned spiders.

Beyond them however I think it will be alot bette than DA2's 'everyone is freaking insane' feel.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Martyr1777 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

A little from column A and a little from column B.
Anyway, I'm worried about the portrayal of the Templar Order in DA:I, I would hate for BioWare to depict the Rebel Templars as Zealots and Red Templars, while any Loyalist Templars are lovey-dovey with Mages assuming there are Loyalist Templars.

I want both factions to have their positives and negatives.

Oh I'm sure there will be plenty of pros and cons for both sides.

My worry is the Red Templars... the just seem like a generic shallow enemy to fight, re-skinned spiders.

Beyond them however I think it will be alot bette than DA2's 'everyone is freaking insane' feel.

The Red Templars I see as the DA equivalent of ME's Cerberus, as in the extreme of the extreme, willing to sacrifice their bodies and minds to acomplish their goal.