Merril saying she's given up on the eluvian doesn't mean she'll ignore it if the subject presents itself in the future.Starsyn wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
Merrill you silly goose.
As far as...what? Much of what Xil (and others) wrote is right there in the story. Please be more specific.
Perhaps not, but it seems remarkably early to make a judgment about it now. I'm sure she'd still be interested in Eluvians and such, but she's learned not to try to force help on those who don't want it.The Hierophant wrote...
Merril saying she's given up on the eluvian doesn't mean she'll ignore it if the subject presents itself in the future.Starsyn wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
Merrill you silly goose.
As far as...what? Much of what Xil (and others) wrote is right there in the story. Please be more specific.
Oh yeah i almost forgot... *generic jab at Anders*
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 21 février 2014 - 02:50 .
Have you a source on that quote?Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I'm perfectly fine with Red Templars being crazy or evil templar goons we always fight. As long as they aren't the only major templar faction in the game. And since they are called Red Templars at all, I think that's likely. I expected crazed zealots to come from both factions in the game beforehand.
Bioware did say we get to tip the balance in favor of mages or templars, didn't they? How Bioware hanldes that particular conflict is still up in the air.
I believe Merrill and I do think she gives up the Eluvian for good. However, the damn thing is still intact and laying around. If Merrill ended up leaving Kirkwall, then she left that mirror behind...The Hierophant wrote...
Merril saying she's given up on the eluvian doesn't mean she'll ignore it if the subject presents itself in the future.Starsyn wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
Merrill you silly goose.
As far as...what? Much of what Xil (and others) wrote is right there in the story. Please be more specific.
Oh yeah i almost forgot... *generic jab at Anders*
If they don't know ancient Elven for "On," I think it'll be okay.I think it isn't going to be Merrill that's the problem. I think someone else is going to find and use that mirror. Considering that it was probably left behind in Kirkwall out of all places, the chances of it being abused by a crazy mage or templar is pretty damned high.
So...like Cerberus from the Mass Effect universe?General TSAR wrote...
Yeah that's what I'm worried about too, the Red Templars are just mooks you slice and dice.
But I'm also hoping that they are actually super intelligent abominations who are united in their hatred for Magic or something.
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 21 février 2014 - 02:53 .
It was from one of their videos. Mike was saying how you can have the Inquisition favor the Chantry or the Templars or the Mages, or something like that.Xilizhra wrote...
Have you a source on that quote?Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I'm perfectly fine with Red Templars being crazy or evil templar goons we always fight. As long as they aren't the only major templar faction in the game. And since they are called Red Templars at all, I think that's likely. I expected crazed zealots to come from both factions in the game beforehand.
Bioware did say we get to tip the balance in favor of mages or templars, didn't they? How Bioware hanldes that particular conflict is still up in the air.
I agree, but I have this nagging thought in the back of my head. One of the younger members of Merrill's clan comes back to check it out. Starting doing research and we have a problem on our hands. Or, the thing could reactivate on its own. Unlikely, but it could happen.Xilizhra wrote...
If they don't know ancient Elven for "On," I think it'll be okay.I think it isn't going to be Merrill that's the problem. I think someone else is going to find and use that mirror. Considering that it was probably left behind in Kirkwall out of all places, the chances of it being abused by a crazy mage or templar is pretty damned high.
Modifié par General TSAR, 21 février 2014 - 02:54 .
I suppose it was inevitable. But just because you can favor the templars doesn't mean you can make them win.It was from one of their videos. Mike was saying how you can have the Inquisition favor the Chantry or the Templars or the Mages, or something like that.
Noted, but keep in mind that that necessitates Bioware remembering interesting but relatively small plot points and making them somehow significant, something which, to my knowledge, has never actually happened in DA and only rarely in ME.I agree, but I have this nagging thought in the back of my head. One of the younger members of Merrill's clan comes back to check it out. Starting doing research and we have a problem on our hands. Or, the thing could reactivate on its own. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Xilizhra wrote...
To be honest, I really don't care that much if it's possible to bring about total mage victory; I'm sure there are many interesting ways for the story to go without that. What I care very much about is that there's no total templar victory.
It's actually because a divergence that huge between possible outcomes would make the entire conflict relatively insignificant by necessity. Sort of like how the OGB can't live up to its foreshadowed potential as a plot point because the universe has to be basically the same whether it exists or not. As such, the only possible way the templar victory could be properly explored is if it was the only outcome, and of course I will never support that possibility.Veruin wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
To be honest, I really don't care that much if it's possible to bring about total mage victory; I'm sure there are many interesting ways for the story to go without that. What I care very much about is that there's no total templar victory.
Ah, yes. Can't let other players have that option because you deem it wrong.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 21 février 2014 - 03:00 .
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
It was from one of their videos. Mike
was saying how you can have the Inquisition favor the Chantry or the
Templars or the Mages, or something like that.
Well, now. That would help put some of my most nagging concerns to rest. I would be extremely greateful if you found it.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I think it was one of the dev diaries or interviews they released a while back. I'll to go searching for the specific one though.
I think I remember one of them saying it as they showed this concept art.
Modifié par MisterJB, 21 février 2014 - 03:06 .
Starsyn wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I think it isn't going to be Merrill that's the problem. I think someone else is going to find and use that mirror. Considering that it was probably left behind in Kirkwall out of all places, the chances of it being abused by a crazy mage or templar is pretty damned high.
If they don't know ancient Elven for "On," I think it'll be okay.
I agree, but I have this nagging thought in the back of my head. One of the younger members of Merrill's clan comes back to check it out. Starting doing research and we have a problem on our hands. Or, the thing could reactivate on its own. Unlikely, but it could happen.
I'll admit this is getting into Tin Foil Hat Land here.
As stated in many other threads, I don't think the existance of "Kill all *insert faction here*" wil exist simply because this isn't the last Dragon Age game.Veruin wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
To be honest, I really don't care that much if it's possible to bring about total mage victory; I'm sure there are many interesting ways for the story to go without that. What I care very much about is that there's no total templar victory.
Ah, yes. Can't let other players have that option because you deem it wrong.
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
As stated in many other threads, I don't think the existance of "Kill all *insert faction here*" wil exist simply because this isn't the last Dragon Age game.
Modifié par Veruin, 21 février 2014 - 03:02 .
Hmm, excellent point.The Hierophant wrote...
I wouldn't be surpised if Morrigan or Flemeth discovers it, if Merrill didn't scrap the thing.
I know. I was just adding my opinion to the general discussion.Veruin wrote...
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
As stated in many other threads, I don't think the existance of "Kill all *insert faction here*" wil exist simply because this isn't the last Dragon Age game.
My post isn't just about the Templar option.
Xilizhra wrote...
I'm fairly sure the thing with Feynriel is at least as broken as Wynne approving of you sleeping with Gheyna, as I'm almost certain it's triggered by the wrong action, taking into account the precedent of her character elsewhere (for example, while she wants you to talk to the hunger demon in the Deep Roads, there's no approval penalty at all for killing it later).The Hierophant wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
She's probably improved by leaving Marethari's influence for six years.
If she's still stubborn like Marethari while still having a messiah complex, i doubt it.
Maybe, but she won't outright sell herself to demons because her own student is rocking the boat too much, I'm reasonably sure.
Sell herself out? No way. But i can't say the same for the people around her, like in the case of Hawke and Feynriel?
As for Hawke... no, never. Not without blatant mind control.
Oh, yes, that. I might have done that as a way of fooling Torpor, but for the fact that I always have Justice in my party.Actually, not quite. What she supports with Feynriel is essentially what she says in the Deep Roads: You can use a demon for your own benefit, if you're careful. What she approves of is that you're willing to 1) hear out the Demon and 2) not kill it out of hand, when it can prove useful.
She's never actually around for if Hawke actually sells out Feynriel's soul, because Wryme mind controlled her (as Pride and also Desire Demons are capable of).
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