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[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We already got scrying stones for long range communications. So basically the Eluvians are just less practical, less portable and more dangerous scrying stones. The Eluvians are obviously much more than simple communication devices, and they are obviously very dangerous. I see nothing of worth in the Eluvians that cannot be achieved by other means, or should not be achieved at all.

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

[DKJaigen]

MisterJB wrote...

Ok, let's assume that what the demon wanted all along was to possess Marethari.
What that means is that, in order for that theory to be true, he had to have also manipulated Merril into restoring the Eluvian thus leaving the clan thus leading to Marethari being possessed.
Which means, even if the Merril fans are right, she was still manipulated by a demon with whom she decided to have a conversation.

And let's not forget that Merril had contact with demons beyond the one in the statue like the one she summons to break the barrier keeping the group from Flemeth's altar.

The manipulation failed however. Merril was simply to cautious and the demon was treated with a nice case of death.

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But that's NOT the reason Marethari gave to the clan. The reason Marethari gave to the clan were "She'll bring back the Taint and kill us all!!!!"

Interaction with Demons would've been a more understandable thing to distrust her of as opposed to baseless lies that have no foundation in truth. Understandable, but still erroneous considering WHICH denizen of the Fade Merrill interacted with -- one that was trapped, sundered from the Fade, and severely weakened.

She did not interact with just one. When she first reveals her blood magic, Hawke can accuse her of summoning a demon and Merril does not deny this: her defense is that she knows what she is doing because the demon helped them. 

The issue with the scene is that it seems to come into the complicated issue of the conflicting information about blood magic, since the scene suggests that a spirit is involved in the use of blood magic (since she visually uses blood magic to destroy the barrier), but the lore reads that the "effects can be vile, but this specialization isn't limited to madmen and monsters. Many see it as the only form of magic that is truly free, because it's tied to the physical, not favors to spirits or demons."

[EmperorSahlertz]

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What exactly makes you think that the Eluvians are even worth keeping?

If its just a communication device it would be a potent device. but we already have seen its also capable of teleporting people. even its only a few its an extremely powerful device but if its capable of transporting army's then this could create an empire. And we are not  sure what it does now do we? Its worth keeping because you dont wish to remain ignorant of such power and neither do you want just laying around and wait for the wrong people to take it.

In a world like Thedas were certain knowledge can literally be deadly, then there are thigns that indeed should remain forgotten. Eluvians being amongst them. As a communication device as they were being used by Tevinter they are inferior to the scrying stones, and as a dimensional gateway they obviously are not powerful enough to save an Empire. However they are fully capable of spreading the taint, which means that they are potentially a network of gods know how many portals from which the taint can pour through. Not worth it.

[Master Warder Z_]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We already got scrying stones for long range communications. So basically the Eluvians are just less practical, less portable and more dangerous scrying stones. The Eluvians are obviously much more than simple communication devices, and they are obviously very dangerous. I see nothing of worth in the Eluvians that cannot be achieved by other means, or should not be achieved at all.

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

"The People" You mean the Elves skulking in the woodland area's of Thedas?

Why would any one care about them beyond themselves?

You know what with them being rude if not outright hostile to any one that isn't of their thankfully disapearing race.

Besides if Merril, Her Clan, Etc  was any indicator isn't as if they have much understanding of the very devices anyway, Even if they did there is simpler already established magic as previously mentioned that can acheive the same result.

[Master Warder Z_]

DKJaigen wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Ok, let's assume that what the demon wanted all along was to possess Marethari.
What that means is that, in order for that theory to be true, he had to have also manipulated Merril into restoring the Eluvian thus leaving the clan thus leading to Marethari being possessed.
Which means, even if the Merril fans are right, she was still manipulated by a demon with whom she decided to have a conversation.

And let's not forget that Merril had contact with demons beyond the one in the statue like the one she summons to break the barrier keeping the group from Flemeth's altar.

The manipulation failed however. Merril was simply to cautious and the demon was treated with a nice case of death.

No she was pretty stupid.

Hawke is just good at killing things.

[Mistic]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

In a world like Thedas were certain knowledge can literally be deadly, then there are thigns that indeed should remain forgotten.

And yet another danger of magic that people tend to forget. Thedas is a place where reading the wrong scroll can end up summoning a demon into the world (some ancient mages needed better hobbies). Our characters think "Hooray! Money and valuable rewards!". Normal people must think: "Damn mages!".

I wonder if there's some kind of branch inside the Templar Order or the Seekers to take care of these dangerous artifacts.

Modifié par Misticsan, 21 février 2014 - 08:09 .

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We already got scrying stones for long range communications. So basically the Eluvians are just less practical, less portable and more dangerous scrying stones. The Eluvians are obviously much more than simple communication devices, and they are obviously very dangerous. I see nothing of worth in the Eluvians that cannot be achieved by other means, or should not be achieved at all.

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

"The People" You mean the Elves skulking in the woodland area's of Thedas?

Why would any one care about them beyond themselves?

You know what with them being rude if not outright hostile to any one that isn't of their thankfully disapearing race.

Besides if Merril, Her Clan, Etc  was any indicator isn't as if they have much understanding of the very devices anyway, Even if they did there is simpler already established magic as previously mentioned that can acheive the same result.

Outside of the mages that also study them as well, Like Finn, morrigan, and the mages that wrote books on the study of them. You do understand that the human race is one that values knowledge?

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Ok, let's assume that what the demon wanted all along was to possess Marethari.
What that means is that, in order for that theory to be true, he had to have also manipulated Merril into restoring the Eluvian thus leaving the clan thus leading to Marethari being possessed.
Which means, even if the Merril fans are right, she was still manipulated by a demon with whom she decided to have a conversation.

And let's not forget that Merril had contact with demons beyond the one in the statue like the one she summons to break the barrier keeping the group from Flemeth's altar.

The manipulation failed however. Merril was simply to cautious and the demon was treated with a nice case of death.

No she was pretty stupid.

Hawke is just good at killing things.

So Merrial got possesed. Question , why did the clan leader not have a percoution  incase she became possesed?

[Master Warder Z_]

Misticsan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

In a world like Thedas were certain knowledge can literally be deadly, then there are thigns that indeed should remain forgotten.

And yet another danger of magic that people tend to forget. Thedas is a place where reading the wrong scroll can end up summoning a demon into the world (some ancient mages needed better hobbies). Our characters think "Hooray! Money and valuable rewards!". Normal people must think: "Damn mages!".

I wonder if there's some kind of branch inside the Templar Order or the Seekers to take care of these dangerous artifacts.

I would literally be shocked if there wasn't.

Considering what their normal activities consist of i wouldn't be surprised if there were hidden caches of Apostate Paraphernalia and etc all across Templar and Seeker Strongholds. Some stuff is just too dangerous to not be sealed away forever, some magic is just too corrupt to be taught or encouraged.

I could see anything vaguely relating to blood mages being sealed away, anything relating to demonolgy getting the same treatment, even some stuff relating to the school of spirit for similar reasons.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We already got scrying stones for long range communications. So basically the Eluvians are just less practical, less portable and more dangerous scrying stones. The Eluvians are obviously much more than simple communication devices, and they are obviously very dangerous. I see nothing of worth in the Eluvians that cannot be achieved by other means, or should not be achieved at all.

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

"The People" You mean the Elves skulking in the woodland area's of Thedas?

Why would any one care about them beyond themselves?

You know what with them being rude if not outright hostile to any one that isn't of their thankfully disapearing race.

Besides if Merril, Her Clan, Etc  was any indicator isn't as if they have much understanding of the very devices anyway, Even if they did there is simpler already established magic as previously mentioned that can acheive the same result.

Outside of the mages that also study them as well, Like Finn, morrigan, and the mages that wrote books on the study of them. You do understand that the human race is one that values knowledge?

For once we agree.

I do believe that in Thedas the Human Race is the only one that values Knowledge.

[leaguer of one]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...


In a world like Thedas were certain knowledge can literally be deadly, then there are thigns that indeed should remain forgotten. Eluvians being amongst them. As a communication device as they were being used by Tevinter they are inferior to the scrying stones, and as a dimensional gateway they obviously are not powerful enough to save an Empire. However they are fully capable of spreading the taint, which means that they are potentially a network of gods know how many portals from which the taint can pour through. Not worth it.

The lack of said knowledge has been shown to be equally dangerious. What if know one knew about dreamers and how to help or control them. Think of what would happen.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 21 février 2014 - 08:14 .

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We already got scrying stones for long range communications. So basically the Eluvians are just less practical, less portable and more dangerous scrying stones. The Eluvians are obviously much more than simple communication devices, and they are obviously very dangerous. I see nothing of worth in the Eluvians that cannot be achieved by other means, or should not be achieved at all.

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

"The People" You mean the Elves skulking in the woodland area's of Thedas?

Why would any one care about them beyond themselves?

You know what with them being rude if not outright hostile to any one that isn't of their thankfully disapearing race.

Besides if Merril, Her Clan, Etc  was any indicator isn't as if they have much understanding of the very devices anyway, Even if they did there is simpler already established magic as previously mentioned that can acheive the same result.

Outside of the mages that also study them as well, Like Finn, morrigan, and the mages that wrote books on the study of them. You do understand that the human race is one that values knowledge?

For once we agree.

I do believe that in Thedas the Human Race is the only one that values Knowledge.

It's an issue of advancement. Even the chantry benifits off the knowledge the mages gain in magic. The issue is not getting burnt and a consiquence by said knowledge.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 21 février 2014 - 08:21 .

[LobselVith8]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Mmm this subject has grown increasingly tiresome be not surprised that even if you do end up replying to this i may not. As much joy as i find as it is disputing conflicting views and conjecture from my own it does upon occasion grow old.

So your proposition here is despite contracts, deals and etc the very bread and butter of these entities of the Fade it likely didn't strike a bargain with Merril despite the fact she was seeking something from it?  Your entire proposition is based around the assumption it sought not only its freedom but also the Keeper despite there being no prior interaction between the two as far as the in game events and lore around the game goes.

The main issue here is that Audacity is trapped in the real world, sundered from the Fade, and only able to communicate with nearby people. It is literally bound to a statute. Bringing up how demons act in the Fade doesn't really apply here.

I don't see how Audacity is going to bargain for something when it's been trapped for a millennia - literally since the war between the Arlathan elves and the Tevinter humans; furthermore, there isn't even any evidence that a contract can be enforced when a spirit isn't even in the Fade. Also, Merrill and Marethari never even elude to a contract being made with Audacity, even when Marethari mentions Merrill's use of blood magic. If a contract was necessary for Audacity to impart such information, I think the Keeper would have explicitly noted it, or even one of Hawke's mage companions.

Merrill was looking to cleanse the shard she took from the Elven Ruins, but she wasn't able to with ordinary magic, since she lacked the necessary amount of lyrium. Marethari opposed her efforts. Audacity taught her blood magic, and allowed Merrill to continue her efforts, which lead to Marethari staying at Sundermount for almost a decade, where the Keeper would be most vunerable to Audacity. Marethari was in close proximity to Audacity, while Merrill was further away.

Years later, Marethari ended up releasing Audacity because the Keeper thought Audacity could escape from the restored Eluvian, while Merrill refused to release Audacity, and explicitly says she has no intention of releasing Audacity to an aggressive Hawke.

Master Warder Z wrote...

In fact if we went by these events, Merril being plagued by the demon later in her years within kirkwall would indicate if any one had a connection to said entity it would be her.

Except it's said that Merrill was building the Eluvian from the information she extrapolated from the shard, and the lore she gathered on the Eluvian. Merrill sought Audacity out in Act III because she ran into a problem with the Eluvian she was building, since it remained inert, even though she could feel the power there. When Merrill tried to communicate, Audacity was silent, and this is when she asks Hawke to accompany her.

Marethari, in contrast, has been at Sundermount for years, and suddenly went from one argument against the Eluvians in Acts I and II to an entirely different one in Act III. I think it's likely the source of Marethari's belief that the Eluvian would allow Audacity to escape would be none other than Audacity itself.

Master Warder Z wrote...

Ultimately i don't care enough to continue to debate this when in truth neither of our positions have any shred of lore or in game basis to them, You can maintain your position and i will do the same.

...Boredom does occasionally make me civil i guess who knew 

We can agree to disagree, then.

[durasteel]

Given that Merrill seems inclined to bring Hawke along as backup for anything risky, I'm baffled by one of the assumptions I've seen posted in this discussion.

Let's say we accept that everything that Audacity/Marethari says is true to the best of her/its knowledge. If Merrill put the finishing touches on the mirror according to instructions she would have gotten from Audacity if Marethari hadn't been a fool, then when she "flipped the switch" and turned it on, Audacity would have come through the mirror.

How is that anything other than an ass-kicking for Audacity? I would suppose that Audacity would take that beat-down with a smile because it would be released back into the Fade, which is a lot better than being trapped in a garden gnome in a cave, but still... I'm not seeing how Merrill would be any less likely to survive that episode than any other demon smashing encounter in the game.

If you'd put your money on Audacity to win that fight, I have some lovely beachfront properties in Arizona to sell you.

Modifié par durasteel, 21 février 2014 - 08:22 .

[LobselVith8]

Master Warder Z wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

"The People" You mean the Elves skulking in the woodland area's of Thedas?

That is the name of the Dalish - otherwise, the Elvhen.

Master Warder Z wrote...

Why would any one care about them beyond themselves?

It would allow the clans of the People to communicate with each other without the need for the Arlathvenn.

Master Warder Z wrote...

You know what with them being rude if not outright hostile to any one that isn't of their thankfully disapearing race.

Their religion is criminalized in Andrastian lands, Andrastians want them to convert to the human religion (which lead to threats against the Sabrae Clan), and templars hunt them down (as mentioned by Merrill, and even Ariane protected her clan from a templar who hunted them down), so I can see why the Dalish would be distrustful of outsiders.

Master Warder Z wrote...

Besides if Merril, Her Clan, Etc  was any indicator isn't as if they have much understanding of the very devices anyway, Even if they did there is simpler already established magic as previously mentioned that can acheive the same result. 

In the hands of the Circles.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lob i consider this issue closed but i again notice you bring up Aggressive Hawke and Merril commenting that she wouldn't do something to the effect of endangering him.

I'd look at it from this perspective personally.

This is nearly eight years they have known each other by this point yeah? She has seen Hawke cut through Demons, Bandits, Mercenaries, Qunari, Mages and even defeat the Arishok perhaps.

Do you really think she would disagree or at least openly state intention that might possibly anger said personage especially Aggressive Derp Hawke?

Her stating that is about the only response that likely saved her from Hawke not being rid of her like the thousands before her. Seriously what was Merril to say "I might end up possessed here so i'm bring you along to behead me in case that happens derp, I don't plan on releasing this demon but it might happen herp."

Attempting to placate Hawke by this point is not only natural given their long acquaintanceship and relationship but in the case of Aggressive Hawke, a viable survival method.

Just my two cents, I don't view that admission as overly special merely because of whom she was conversing with i guess.

[Mistic]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Considering what their normal activities consist of i wouldn't be surprised if there were hidden caches of Apostate Paraphernalia and etc all across Templar and Seeker Strongholds. Some stuff is just too dangerous to not be sealed away forever, some magic is just too corrupt to be taught or encouraged.

I could see anything vaguely relating to blood mages being sealed away, anything relating to demonolgy getting the same treatment, even some stuff relating to the school of spirit for similar reasons.

Sounds both plausible and interesting. And since we're going to conquer some strongholds for the Inquisition...

"Your eminence, here's the full inventory".
"Oh, it seems those templars were the order's librarians."
"Yes! There are a lot of evil items in this place".
"Let's see... A scroll that summons a Pride Demon. Cute. Oh, a cursed sword that takes your life to power up your attacks. Good, I was looking for a new weapon for Cassandra..."
"Hey"
"Don't worry, Cass. You have potions. As for this other thing... What the hell is a demonic refrigerator?"
"No idea, your eminence. It's said that the Champion of Kirkwall found it after leaving Kirkwall for good. Some people say that it ate Hawke".
"That would explain a lot..."

durasteel wrote...

How is that anything other than an
ass-kicking for Audacity? I would suppose that Audacity would take that
beat-down with a smile because it would be released back into the Fade,
which is a lot better than being trapped in a garden gnome in a cave,
but still... I'm not seeing how Merrill would be any less likely to
survive that episode than any other demon smashing encounter in the
game.

Almost every villain in the games thinks that even if the rest have failed, they will be the ones capable of defeating our heroes. A demon won't know any better. Especially if it's a pride demon. The only subversion I can remember right now is in Awakening. After telling some kidnappers you're the Hero of Ferelden, half of them run away.

Modifié par Misticsan, 21 février 2014 - 08:27 .

[durasteel]

Y'know, one point that does support the theory that Meredith wasn't too bad before the red lyrium drove her nuts is that she never sent Templars to drive off the Sabrae clan.

[Master Warder Z_]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The scrying stones are beneficial for the Circles and the mages of the Circles who have them. The Eluvians could be beneficial for the People.

"The People" You mean the Elves skulking in the woodland area's of Thedas?

That is the name of the Dalish - otherwise, the Elvhen.

Master Warder Z wrote...

Why would any one care about them beyond themselves?

It would allow the clans of the People to communicate with each other without the need for the Arlathvenn.

Master Warder Z wrote...

You know what with them being rude if not outright hostile to any one that isn't of their thankfully disapearing race.

Their religion is criminalized in Andrastian lands, Andrastians want them to convert to the human religion (which lead to threats against the Sabrae Clan), and templars hunt them down (as mentioned by Merrill, and even Ariane protected her clan from a templar who hunted them down), so I can see why the Dalish would be distrustful of outsiders.

Master Warder Z wrote...

Besides if Merril, Her Clan, Etc  was any indicator isn't as if they have much understanding of the very devices anyway, Even if they did there is simpler already established magic as previously mentioned that can acheive the same result. 

In the hands of the Circles.

Yeah the backwoods Knife Ears skulking around the civilized lands like hillbilly rats.

blah blah, They started a war they couldn't win, Pissed off the wrong people and got run over by an Empire it should have been appeasing rather then invading.

And that isn't their fault how? Establishing a relation with the circle would fall to them, not the other way around, Their need for those ancient trinkets may be viable for them but given any other mage likely could merely do a simple scrying ritual or use a scrying stone thus negating the need of ritual therefore i couldn't see much outsider assitance with this task.

Which would be problematic considering a good bit of the lore and knowledge of those stupid mirrors is lost and that's probably for the best considering they tend to end up around the taint and get corrupted, ultimately pointless to bother with them in any case.

Better to build for the future then to dig up trinkets of the past.

[LobselVith8]

Master Warder Z wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The manipulation failed however. Merril was simply to cautious and the demon was treated with a nice case of death.

No she was pretty stupid.
Hawke is just good at killing things.

Which is why Merrill asked for the Champion's assistance when she suspected that Audacity might not be trapped anymore, since she wanted to speak to it about her inert Eluvian. I don't see how Merrill's interest in technology that could benefit the People, or her caution in having someone she knows is efficient at killing demons accompany her to Sundermount, makes her stupid.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Lob i consider this issue closed but i again notice you bring up Aggressive Hawke and Merril commenting that she wouldn't do something to the effect of endangering him.

I'd look at it from this perspective personally.

This is nearly eight years they have known each other by this point yeah? She has seen Hawke cut through Demons, Bandits, Mercenaries, Qunari, Mages and even defeat the Arishok perhaps.

Do you really think she would disagree or at least openly state intention that might possibly anger said personage especially Aggressive Derp Hawke?

Her stating that is about the only response that likely saved her from Hawke not being rid of her like the thousands before her. Seriously what was Merril to say "I might end up possessed here so i'm bring you along to behead me in case that happens derp, I don't plan on releasing this demon but it might happen herp."

Attempting to placate Hawke by this point is not only natural given their long acquaintanceship and relationship but in the case of Aggressive Hawke, a viable survival method.

Just my two cents, I don't view that admission as overly special merely because of whom she was conversing with i guess.

You don't consider that fact that it would put Hawk in even more danger to not have him be there? That fact that the demon had escaped and Hawk not being there meaning it would of gotten lose and bring havoc to kirkwall and all the places near it. That given time it would be too power ful for Hawk to kill. I can agree that dealing with it is bad but it would of been worse if Hawk was not there. Hawk would of been in more danger if he was not there.

[Master Warder Z_]

Misticsan wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Considering what their normal activities consist of i wouldn't be surprised if there were hidden caches of Apostate Paraphernalia and etc all across Templar and Seeker Strongholds. Some stuff is just too dangerous to not be sealed away forever, some magic is just too corrupt to be taught or encouraged.

I could see anything vaguely relating to blood mages being sealed away, anything relating to demonolgy getting the same treatment, even some stuff relating to the school of spirit for similar reasons.

Sounds both plausible and interesting. And since we're going to conquer some strongholds for the Inquisition...

"Your eminence, here's the full inventory".
"Oh, it seems those templars were the order's librarians."
"Yes! There are a lot of evil items in this place".
"Let's see... A scroll that summons a Pride Demon. Cute. Oh, a cursed sword that takes your life to power up your attacks. Good, I was looking for a new weapon for Cassandra..."
"Hey"
"Don't worry, Cass. You have potions. As for this other thing... What the hell is a demonic refrigerator?"
"No idea, your eminence. It's said that the Champion of Kirkwall found it after leaving Kirkwall for good. Some people say that it ate Hawke".
"That would explain a lot..."

durasteel wrote...

How is that anything other than an
ass-kicking for Audacity? I would suppose that Audacity would take that
beat-down with a smile because it would be released back into the Fade,
which is a lot better than being trapped in a garden gnome in a cave,
but still... I'm not seeing how Merrill would be any less likely to
survive that episode than any other demon smashing encounter in the
game.

Almost every villain in the games thinks that even if the rest have failed, they will be the ones capable of defeating our heroes. A demon won't know any better. Especially if it's a pride demon. The only subversion I can remember right now is in Awakening. After telling some kidnappers you're the Hero of Ferelden, half of them run away.

Ringo mentioned a Demonic refridgerator in an acid trip...

[LobselVith8]

durasteel wrote...

Y'know, one point that does support the theory that Meredith wasn't too bad before the red lyrium drove her nuts is that she never sent Templars to drive off the Sabrae clan.

Karl's letter to Anders was about how bad things were in the Circle of Kirkwall, which is what brought Anders to the city-state in the first place. More than a few of Meredith's top templars weren't good people, from Alrik to Kerras, and there is also the unnamed templar who tries to extract Feynriel for Meredith from the Sabrae clan by torturing one of their da'len hunters in Act II.

The fact that the Dalish warned the templars to leave, instead of immediately attacking Meredith's soldiers for torturing one of their da'len hunters, tells me the Dalish aren't as one-note as some people are inclined to think.

[Master Warder Z_]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The manipulation failed however. Merril was simply to cautious and the demon was treated with a nice case of death.

No she was pretty stupid.
Hawke is just good at killing things.

Which is why Merrill asked for the Champion's assistance when she suspected that Audacity might not be trapped anymore, since she wanted to speak to it about her inert Eluvian. I don't see how Merrill's interest in technology that could benefit the People, or her caution in having someone she knows is efficient at killing demons accompany her to Sundermount, makes her stupid.

Oh no, Her opinion on Demons, General indiffrence to the suffering she causes,  and usage of blood magic and consorting with demons makes her stupid to me.

Not bringing Hawke there; That was probably the smartest thing she decided to do in seven plus years.