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[leaguer of one]

durasteel wrote...

Pointless argument. We don't know what the bomb was made of or how it was triggered. I think it is likely something alchemical that didn't involve actual spellcasting, but I don't know... And neither do any of you.

But we do know what it was made of and there no cases where magic from mages are stored in any form of items. How can Ander's use his powers to power up the bomb if there is no way for mages to store their power ?
And there is a point...
It's based on whether Ander's use of the bomb in Kirkwall is an example of the miss use of mage powers or knowledge of magical matertials.  If  the former, it means mages can blow up cities with their power, if the latter, anyone with the knowledge and skill to make use of the material Ander's used to make the bomb can blow up cities, mage or not.

It would mean it's point less to try to control mages form doing this agein being that any one with the skill can make the bomb.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 23 février 2014 - 02:47 .

[durasteel]

leaguer of one wrote...
But we do know what it was made of and there no cases where magic from mages are stored in any form of items. How can Ander's use his powers to power up the bomb if there is no way for mages to store their power ?

What was it made of?

[General TSAR]

I know right! The catalyst was obviously from Anders, glad we agree on that. Now the question is what ritual did he preform or what kind of magical deus ex machina did he use to amply his fertilizer bomb.

I think he used a Tevinter tome and...by the Maker....BLOOD MAGIC! Anders was a secret blood mage, oh that hypocritical jerk, pardon my french.

That explains "Martyr" in his skill tree and Vengence, I knew it!
Oh I was so glad to have neutralized that freak. 

 

Modifié par General TSAR, 23 février 2014 - 02:50 .

[leaguer of one]

durasteel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
But we do know what it was made of and there no cases where magic from mages are stored in any form of items. How can Ander's use his powers to power up the bomb if there is no way for mages to store their power ?

What was it made of?

Drakestone's and Sela Petrae are the main part of the boom. 

[leaguer of one]

General TSAR wrote...

I know right! The catalyst was obviously from Anders, glad we agree on that. Now the question is what ritual did he preform or what kind of magical deus ex machina did he use to amply his fertilizer bomb.

I think he used a Tevinter tome and...by the Maker....BLOOD MAGIC! Anders was a secret blood mage, oh that hypocritical jerk, pardon my french.

That explains "Martyr" in his skill tree, I knew it.

No we are not agreeing. My point is that it's impossible for him to add any power from himself to the bomb.How can a mage even put powers from himself in to an item. Please explain this. And it's not blood magic.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 23 février 2014 - 02:53 .

[durasteel]

leaguer of one wrote...
[color=rgb(213, 212, 212)">Drakestone's and ]Sela Petrae are the main part of the boom. [/color]

That's just sulphur and saltpeter. With charcoal, that can make black powder. That is to the chantry bomb what tritium and a brick of C4 are to a homemade nuke.

Modifié par durasteel, 23 février 2014 - 02:59 .

[General TSAR]

I know, you are just as surprised as I am.

Anders being a secret Blood Mage, who would have thought.

Maybe he was even an agent of Tevinter, or maybe Tevinter agents used his him like the tool he is to act as the match to light the powder keg that is the Mage-Templar war. The war would consume the world, and unleash horrors only the pesky Mages of the T.I. could effectively control through blood magic and the sacrifices of thousands of slaves. Once the war is over, any surviors will be unable to resist the annexation.

What a revelation!

Modifié par General TSAR, 23 février 2014 - 03:00 .

[leaguer of one]

durasteel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
[color=rgb(213, 212, 212)">Drakestone's and ]Sela Petrae are the main part of the boom. [/color]

That's just sulphur and saltpeter. With charcoal, that can make black powder. That is to the chantry bomb what tritium and a brick of C4 are to a homemade nuke.

It highly concentrated element of that with magic being part of one of the elements. Remeber, this is a magic world with matrial that have heavy ammount of magic in them.

[leaguer of one]

General TSAR wrote...

I know, you are just as surprised as I am.

Anders being a secret Blood Mage, who would have thought.

Maybe he was even an agent of Tevinter, or maybe Tevinter agents used his him like the tool he is to act as the match to light the powder keg that is the Mage-Templar war. The war would consume the world, and unleash horrors only the pesky Mages of the T.I. could effectively control through blood magic and the sacrifices of thousands of slaves. Once the war is over, any surviors will be unable to resist the annexation.

What a revelation!

You still hve not even told me how he was able to the store the magic from his body in a item to be used to power the bomb.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

wcholcombe wrote...

Anders was pointed out as a abomination we have seen who could destroy a city.

Buildng, not city. And the bomb did that, not him. I'd only give Anders that credit if the Chantry was destroyed by a magical spell.

[General TSAR]

leaguer of one wrote...
You still hve not even told me how he was able to the store the magic from his body in a item to be used to power the bomb.

I agree, the Tevinter Tome must have been given to Anders in the interlude between Acts 2-3 along with the sealed instructions.

But then how did Hawke not discover these plans? Oh wait, plot railroading.

Which brings up the question of when did Anders first make contact with the Tevinter Agents, hmm...I'm thinking his resistance movement was just Tevinter proxies.

[durasteel]

leaguer of one wrote...
It highly concentrated element of that with magic being part of one of the elements. Remeber, this is a magic world with matrial that have heavy ammount of magic in them.

I still think the the primary component of the bomb was handwavium.

I'm ok with that--I don't need an alchemy lesson in DA2 for the scene to be effective--I'm just saying that we don't really know exactly how it worked. It was pretty obviously not a spell, though.

Modifié par durasteel, 23 février 2014 - 03:09 .

[leaguer of one]

durasteel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
It highly concentrated element of that with magic being part of one of the elements. Remeber, this is a magic world with matrial that have heavy ammount of magic in them.

I still think the the primary component of the bomb was handwavium.

I'm ok with that--I don't need an alchemy lesson in DA2 for the scene to be effective--I'm just saying that we don't really know exactly how it worked. It was pretty obviously not a spell, though.

And my point is that it was not powered by Ander's Magic.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be honest, I always saw the magical part of the explosion to be from lyrium. I mean, where else would the Chantry store it except in the Chantry? The only other place is the Gallows, which is a bad idea do to both mages and Templars both needing it for their powers.

[leaguer of one]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Anders was pointed out as a abomination we have seen who could destroy a city.

Buildng, not city. And the bomb did that, not him. I'd only give Anders that credit if the Chantry was destroyed by a magical spell.

It was a magical bomb not a spell. It was not powered by mage who made it, but by the magical material used to make it.

[leaguer of one]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

To be honest, I always saw the magical part of the explosion to be from lyrium. I mean, where else would the Chantry store it except in the Chantry? The only other place is the Gallows, which is a bad idea do to both mages and Templars both needing it for their powers.

Which is my point. Non-mages can make that bomb.  Regualtion mages because of that bomb is point less because anyone can make it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

leaguer of one wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Anders was pointed out as a abomination we have seen who could destroy a city.

Buildng, not city. And the bomb did that, not him. I'd only give Anders that credit if the Chantry was destroyed by a magical spell.

It was a magical bomb not a spell. It was not powered by mage who made it, but by the magical material used to make it.

That's what I am saying. wcholcombe was saying that Kirkwall was proof of an abomination having the power to destroy a city, so I was pointing out it was only a building, granted a very big building, and that Anders did not do the act by his own powers but by his creation.

[durasteel]

leaguer of one wrote...
And my point is that it was not powered by Ander's Magic.

It could have been triggered by a glyph, or incorporated magic into the design in any number of ways. I don't see anything to suggest that it did, but I'm saying we don't--and can't--know for sure one way or the other based on the info we have.

[General TSAR]

Guys, we are all in agreement that it was Blood Magic supplemented by a cursed tome given to Emo Che by Tevinter Agents.

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

To be honest, I always saw the magical part of the explosion to be from lyrium. I mean, where else would the Chantry store it except in the Chantry? The only other place is the Gallows, which is a bad idea do to both mages and Templars both needing it for their powers.

Which is my point. Non-mages can make that bomb.  Regualtion mages because of that bomb is point less because anyone can make it.

I don't think non-mages can make a bomb like that

[Veruin]

AresKeith wrote...
 non-mages can make a bomb like that

Agreed.  At least, not without lyrium.  (Red or blue).

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

To be honest, I always saw the magical part of the explosion to be from lyrium. I mean, where else would the Chantry store it except in the Chantry? The only other place is the Gallows, which is a bad idea do to both mages and Templars both needing it for their powers.

Which is my point. Non-mages can make that bomb.  Regualtion mages because of that bomb is point less because anyone can make it.

I don't think non-mages can make a bomb like that

With Lyrium and magical matrials they can. No mage can power items they way you think Ander's did with the bomb.

[Hellion Rex]

General TSAR wrote...

Guys, we are all in agreement that it was Blood Magic supplemented by a cursed tome given to Emo Che by Tevinter Agents.

No, although I do agree that the damn thing was freaking magical. I thought the red lightning shooting out of the building made that blatantly obvious.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
 non-mages can make a bomb like that

Agreed.  At least, not without lyrium.  (Red or blue).

What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

[General TSAR]

Oh come now, you can't believe that Anders wasn't studying the dark arts when creating the block buster or that he wasn't a proxy for Tevinter.